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Replying To jimbodub: "And where were the traditionaly strong teams in the 00's??
Cavan? Meath? Down? Dublin?
Tyrone certainly wouldn't have been traditionally strong, neither would have been Armagh, Cork have a decent team every 20 years so it was an odd decade
So your traditionally strong logic is a bit weak. Both Armagh and Tyrone won their first titles ever in the 00's and the back door was introduced.. hardly a traditional decade
Monagahan, Donegal, Mayo are all stronger teams now
The tactical side of the game is of a much higher level now and that's made it much harder to beat teams
Dubs went through their worst football period in their entire history across the 00's
But we never pointed out our weakness in ordee to denounce Kerry and Tyrones achievements... that was the worst Dubs team period in the history of Dublin GAA
Hardly a traditional decade at all the 00's" Monaghan Donegal and Mayo that you use to illustrate your point have one All Ireland between them this decade Jimbo.
Look will leave it there, no point arguing with you. Enjoy your weekend.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/03/2018 21:49:39
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Replying To jimbodub: "And where were the traditionaly strong teams in the 00's??
Cavan? Meath? Down? Dublin?
Tyrone certainly wouldn't have been traditionally strong, neither would have been Armagh, Cork have a decent team every 20 years so it was an odd decade
So your traditionally strong logic is a bit weak. Both Armagh and Tyrone won their first titles ever in the 00's and the back door was introduced.. hardly a traditional decade
Monagahan, Donegal, Mayo are all stronger teams now
The tactical side of the game is of a much higher level now and that's made it much harder to beat teams
Dubs went through their worst football period in their entire history across the 00's
But we never pointed out our weakness in ordee to denounce Kerry and Tyrones achievements... that was the worst Dubs team period in the history of Dublin GAA
Hardly a traditional decade at all the 00's" Cavan had won one Ulster title since the 60's by the start of the 00's sp why are you including them? Armagh had been in two All-Ireland semi-finals before they won in 2002 so had been around before that, They also won the All-Ireland without the back door,so why are you bringing that up? Tyrone had been in an All-Ireland less than 10 years before they won and also had won two NFL titles. So yes its been a decline for them.
Dubs went through their worst football period in their entire history across the 00's But we never pointed out our weakness in ordee to denounce Kerry and Tyrones achievements
What exactly are you doing right now then?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 21:52:13
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Monaghan Donegal and Mayo that you use to illustrate your point have one All Ireland between them this decade Jimbo.
Look will leave it there, no point arguing with you. Enjoy your weekend." Conveniently ignored an awful lot there man.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 21:55:28
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Replying To jimbodub: "Genius
Your ignoring how much more tactical the game has evolved across this decade it's a different playing field altogether now
I'm sure the Dubs team of the 00's could have faired much better if they played like Kerry under Fitzmaurice.. Dubs in the 00's played man on man and didn't have a breeze how to properly setup against a swarm defence (like yourselves)
Tyrone were a great team no doubt but hey we drew with them in 05 and could have won that game, but Tyrone were very beatable across the 00's as they found out themselves losing twice in Ulster and were poor enough at defending their titles!
Dubs were not far off Kerry in 07 playing man v man." we drew with them in 05 and could have won that game,
But ye didn't and lost the re-play by 7 points as i already pointed out.
Tyrone were very beatable across the 00's
Why didn't Dublin beat them?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 21:56:28
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It's a fruitless argument, anyway regarding Diarmuid, a lot of us Dubs will view Connolly through blue tinted glasses, its easy to do. But there certainly is two ways of looking at him. If we had lost all those AIs we'd be saying that he didn't contribute enough for a player with his ability, I guarantee it.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 31/03/2018 21:58:44
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Replying To jimbodub: "Conveniently ignored an awful lot there man." Ironic coming from you
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 22:07:15
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Replying To why: "Ironic coming from you" What am I ignoring?
I'm not going to answer drivel
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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 22:13:05
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Replying To jimbodub: "What am I ignoring?
I'm not going to answer drivel
:)" Anything you don't like. As i already said
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 22:18:54
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Replying To jimbodub: "What am I ignoring?
I'm not going to answer drivel
:)" Also are you not going to address all the holes in your ''argument''?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 22:22:11
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How was the 00's traditional?
Where were all these supposed traditional teams?
Where was the 2nd greatest Traditional team ie Dublin ( oh yeah off having the worst period in their entire history!) yes.. how traditional :)
I'm fairly certain Tyrone winning 3 titles was quite untraditional...
As was Armagh winning a title
As was teams winning titles without even being champions of their own province
I'm sure the Dubs would have done much better in the 00's if they had of setup like Kerry have done this decade!
But sure tactically the game was much weaker in the 00's in fact when teams brought new tactics to the table in Armagh and Tyrones case.. they won their first ever titles because no one had a clue how to setup against them!!
So tactically many teams were way off compared to now.
Sticking in two "twin towers" and sending in Hail Mary passes hoping for the best ( amazing football aka Jack Charlton would be proud of) didn't work..
Yeah amazing football altogether!!
This modern Dub setup would have won multiple titles in the 00's and as proven a Dubs team having their worst ever period were still competitive enough and that was playing man v man!
Imagine what the current team could have done.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 22:30:24
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Replying To realdub: "It's a fruitless argument, anyway regarding Diarmuid, a lot of us Dubs will view Connolly through blue tinted glasses, its easy to do. But there certainly is two ways of looking at him. If we had lost all those AIs we'd be saying that he didn't contribute enough for a player with his ability, I guarantee it." I think that sums it up really. It would be a pity if he doesn't play this summer. Was listening to The GAA Hour during the week and they reckoned that Gavin has Con as his favoured 11 now, and he wants two worker bees on the wings so there is no place for Connolly. Is that the feeling among the fans? It does make sense I suppose.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/03/2018 22:37:35
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Replying To why: "Also are you not going to address all the holes in your ''argument''?" What holes
No way the game of the 00's was on par with the game now!
It's a far different playing field now and tactically the game is way ahead compared to any other decade. The skill levels and the strength and conditioning to play at this modern pace is way above any other period.
It's to the players credit how many footballers in the modern game are so comfortable off both feet and that goes from the full back to the full forward.
So yes I've certainly never seen the players at such a high level across any decade and the level of pace now is the best it's ever been and if you've played the game you realise that playing with pace requires the most skill.
Again Where were these supposed traditional counties in the 00's?
It was anything but traditional across that time.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 22:38:44
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Replying To jimbodub: "How was the 00's traditional?
Where were all these supposed traditional teams?
Where was the 2nd greatest Traditional team ie Dublin ( oh yeah off having the worst period in their entire history!) yes.. how traditional :)
I'm fairly certain Tyrone winning 3 titles was quite untraditional...
As was Armagh winning a title
As was teams winning titles without even being champions of their own province
I'm sure the Dubs would have done much better in the 00's if they had of setup like Kerry have done this decade!
But sure tactically the game was much weaker in the 00's in fact when teams brought new tactics to the table in Armagh and Tyrones case.. they won their first ever titles because no one had a clue how to setup against them!!
So tactically many teams were way off compared to now.
Sticking in two "twin towers" and sending in Hail Mary passes hoping for the best ( amazing football aka Jack Charlton would be proud of) didn't work..
Yeah amazing football altogether!!
This modern Dub setup would have won multiple titles in the 00's and as proven a Dubs team having their worst ever period were still competitive enough and that was playing man v man!
Imagine what the current team could have done." By your logic this decade isn't traditional either then?
The amount of BS you come out with is unreal and i dont know how you're left.
Dubs team having their worst ever period were still competitive enough and that was playing man v man
Is being an example of it. You've then shown 4 examples of how this isn't true but you're still trying to use it to prove some sort of point.
As for tactics in the 00's, you talk about it as if it was the only decade it's ever happened. Almost every decade going back to at least the 20's has see new tactics, so what your point there?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 22:43:49
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Replying To jimbodub: "How was the 00's traditional?
Where were all these supposed traditional teams?
Where was the 2nd greatest Traditional team ie Dublin ( oh yeah off having the worst period in their entire history!) yes.. how traditional :)
I'm fairly certain Tyrone winning 3 titles was quite untraditional...
As was Armagh winning a title
As was teams winning titles without even being champions of their own province
I'm sure the Dubs would have done much better in the 00's if they had of setup like Kerry have done this decade!
But sure tactically the game was much weaker in the 00's in fact when teams brought new tactics to the table in Armagh and Tyrones case.. they won their first ever titles because no one had a clue how to setup against them!!
So tactically many teams were way off compared to now.
Sticking in two "twin towers" and sending in Hail Mary passes hoping for the best ( amazing football aka Jack Charlton would be proud of) didn't work..
Yeah amazing football altogether!!
This modern Dub setup would have won multiple titles in the 00's and as proven a Dubs team having their worst ever period were still competitive enough and that was playing man v man!
Imagine what the current team could have done." Fast diagonal, direct balls and good high fielding is seen as a very good attractive style in GAA Jimbo. I think you are confusing it with soccer, where it is seen as a negative style.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/03/2018 22:47:03
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greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 31/03/2018 22:54:59
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Replying To jimbodub: "How was the 00's traditional?
Where were all these supposed traditional teams?
Where was the 2nd greatest Traditional team ie Dublin ( oh yeah off having the worst period in their entire history!) yes.. how traditional :)
I'm fairly certain Tyrone winning 3 titles was quite untraditional...
As was Armagh winning a title
As was teams winning titles without even being champions of their own province
I'm sure the Dubs would have done much better in the 00's if they had of setup like Kerry have done this decade!
But sure tactically the game was much weaker in the 00's in fact when teams brought new tactics to the table in Armagh and Tyrones case.. they won their first ever titles because no one had a clue how to setup against them!!
So tactically many teams were way off compared to now.
Sticking in two "twin towers" and sending in Hail Mary passes hoping for the best ( amazing football aka Jack Charlton would be proud of) didn't work..
Yeah amazing football altogether!!
This modern Dub setup would have won multiple titles in the 00's and as proven a Dubs team having their worst ever period were still competitive enough and that was playing man v man!
Imagine what the current team could have done." You also keep going on about is being Dublin's worst decade ever. Based on what? They won no All-Ireland or Leinster title in the 1910's is that not worse? No All-Ireland and only three Leinster titles in the 30's What about then? Three All-Ireland titles in over three decades in 40's, 50's and 60's. They all seem worse do they not?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 22:56:51
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Replying To jimbodub: "What holes
No way the game of the 00's was on par with the game now!
It's a far different playing field now and tactically the game is way ahead compared to any other decade. The skill levels and the strength and conditioning to play at this modern pace is way above any other period.
It's to the players credit how many footballers in the modern game are so comfortable off both feet and that goes from the full back to the full forward.
So yes I've certainly never seen the players at such a high level across any decade and the level of pace now is the best it's ever been and if you've played the game you realise that playing with pace requires the most skill.
Again Where were these supposed traditional counties in the 00's?
It was anything but traditional across that time." Again Where were these supposed traditional counties in the 00's?
If it's such an important part of your point where are they now ?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 23:03:19
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "I think that sums it up really. It would be a pity if he doesn't play this summer. Was listening to The GAA Hour during the week and they reckoned that Gavin has Con as his favoured 11 now, and he wants two worker bees on the wings so there is no place for Connolly. Is that the feeling among the fans? It does make sense I suppose." If Connolly comes back in and hes playing well, they'll find a spot for him, not necessarily for 70 minutes though.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 31/03/2018 23:29:48
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Replying To why: "You also keep going on about is being Dublin's worst decade ever. Based on what? They won no All-Ireland or Leinster title in the 1910's is that not worse? No All-Ireland and only three Leinster titles in the 30's What about then? Three All-Ireland titles in over three decades in 40's, 50's and 60's. They all seem worse do they not?" Dubs didn't get to a final between 96-2010
I'm fairly certain it was the first time a Dub team didn't contest a final across a GAA decade.
Before that they at least got to a final.
That's why I'm saying it was the worst period in Dublin GAA history.
Think I'm right on those stats. It was the first decade in GAA history that Dublin failed to at least contest a final
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 23:34:50
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Replying To why: "Again Where were these supposed traditional counties in the 00's?
If it's such an important part of your point where are they now ?" Well Dublin are back wha!
Straight away there's a big one compared to the 00's
PS it's not part of argument at all
I only mentioned that in response to Gerrys assertion
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 23:38:35
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