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Replying To centerfield: "Brogan, Flynn,Cluxton,McCarthy, McCauley, Kilkenny, Fenton (great players)
Connolly (good player) cannot be considered a great player as when he's been tightly marked his performance has dropped and he has never been one of the standout players in an all ireland final.
Lee Keegan is unquestionably a great player one of the best half backs of the last 30 years.Between him and Moynihan for me.
There is no debate that this Mayo team are a great team that cannot be said unless you have a couple of all irelands in the bag. The problem for Mayo is that there top dozen are as good as Dublin but down from that the Dubs are much stronger." Connolly in my opinion is one of the most gifted footballers I've ever had the pleasure to watch why do you think he gets so much attention for as you put it just good but not great
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 31/03/2018 18:54:38
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Replying To jimbodub: "Nah..
The game has never been played at a higher standard, players have never been as skilful or physically fitter.
The best players to play the game exists right now.
Tactically/strategically/advanced training methods, the game is far more advanced than ever before in multiple areas.
For Dublin to be dominating the game right now is a testament to their greatness. To win as much as they have and to carry the level of consistency across NFL Div 1 and Championship since 2011 when the game is at it's very peak really puts Dublin up there as the greatest team of all time.
Fair play to Mayo for competing with Dublin when it matters but when it comes to describing them as great.. nah.. they've had their chances but they've failed." With the greatest of respect Jimbo how can you say that when many of the traditional powers like Kerry, Cork, Meath, Galway, Tyrone etc. have all been at their lowest point for decades. I'd argue this is the poorest era in memory. Mayo are a very good team and that is it, nobody else to touch Dublin, and good as Mayo are they are a flawed team, that have lacked the firepower up front to win the finals. If Kerry were winning in the manner the Dubs are we'd be accused of picking up 'handy' All Ireland's, yet when Dublin do it they are the best ever?
Yes players are fitter and stronger than ever before but that does not mean it's the highest standard of football ever. If you allowed for the advancement of training and sports science and this Dublin team were around ten years earlier and had to deal with the Kerry, Tyrone and Cork teams of that period would they be going for four in a row? I very much doubt it.
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Replying To jimbodub: "How's that ranting about players?
Can I not talk about different things?
Sorry for upsetting you and all..." What are you talking about then?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 19:39:08
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Replying To jimbodub: "Why does that bother you?" Just you have quite a tendency to change the subject when things aren't going your way
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 19:40:21
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Replying To TheUsername: "I don't know you mate, so please don't make personalised or generalized comments.
Look who are making counter claims, lads from counties who won't get in an arses roar of any tangible success.
If this debate has thought me anything, is their is a varying degree amongst individual counties on wha consititutes great in the context of success of counties. For example Dermot Early May be considered a great player in Kildare, maybe in Dublin or Kerry given what they won, perhaps they wouldn't." First off im not even talking about you. Secondly im pretty sure you don't know anyone on here
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 19:45:40
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Replying To jimbodub: "Nah..
The game has never been played at a higher standard, players have never been as skilful or physically fitter.
The best players to play the game exists right now.
Tactically/strategically/advanced training methods, the game is far more advanced than ever before in multiple areas.
For Dublin to be dominating the game right now is a testament to their greatness. To win as much as they have and to carry the level of consistency across NFL Div 1 and Championship since 2011 when the game is at it's very peak really puts Dublin up there as the greatest team of all time.
Fair play to Mayo for competing with Dublin when it matters but when it comes to describing them as great.. nah.. they've had their chances but they've failed." If Dublin weren't winning All-Irelands would you be saying that? Based on what exactly is your claim being made?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 19:47:37
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Replying To TheUsername: "Why? What objective measure are you using, the crux of every single arguement against my assertion is I saw such and such any they were brilliant, that pretty much seems the criteria. That's fair enough, all I am suggesting is that I use an objective measure in relation to an outcome. Why should I accept because you rate such and such a player they are great, it's very likely you could no very little about the game.
P.S. that's a really disgusting post mate, why feel the need to say something like that." My my aren't we touchy I couldn't care less what you accept because anyone who thinks that just because a guy has an All Ireland medal is greater than one who doesn't is hardly worth arguing with. Regarding my previous post that you found disgusting apologies as it was not meant to offend. And do you seriously think that some guy who has a few All Ireland Medals that was maybe roasted in a few games and taken off was better than the likes of Ciarian Whelan
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 31/03/2018 20:29:40
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Replying To why: "Just you have quite a tendency to change the subject when things aren't going your way" Aren't going my way?
Ok so mate.
Whatever you say
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 20:34:24
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Replying To jimbodub: "Aren't going my way?
Ok so mate.
Whatever you say" Answer the question. What were you talking?
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 20:39:51
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "With the greatest of respect Jimbo how can you say that when many of the traditional powers like Kerry, Cork, Meath, Galway, Tyrone etc. have all been at their lowest point for decades. I'd argue this is the poorest era in memory. Mayo are a very good team and that is it, nobody else to touch Dublin, and good as Mayo are they are a flawed team, that have lacked the firepower up front to win the finals. If Kerry were winning in the manner the Dubs are we'd be accused of picking up 'handy' All Ireland's, yet when Dublin do it they are the best ever?
Yes players are fitter and stronger than ever before but that does not mean it's the highest standard of football ever. If you allowed for the advancement of training and sports science and this Dublin team were around ten years earlier and had to deal with the Kerry, Tyrone and Cork teams of that period would they be going for four in a row? I very much doubt it." Yet Kerry had to win a title after getting beaten through the back door,
Tyrone win 2 of their 3 titles through the back door.. they had a system that Kerry couldn't adapt appropriately enough to win,
lobbing in high ball/long ball into 2 6 foot plus tall forwards (hardly majestic football) and Tyrone bullied Kerry and Cork fell over the line to win one title in 2010.
Tyrone couldn't do a back to back and were weak enough the following season after winning a title, nowhere near their top form and we're beaten well.
This Dubs team would have easily beaten Tyrone in the 00's.
Sure an average Dubs team with a soft spine and no high end free kick taker, numerous positional problems (Denis Bastik and Paddy Andrews playing in the defence!!) with a half back playing in midfield competed well enough against all those teams.
The current Dubs team are an awful lot better, Dubs current B team would best the Dub 00's team and would have beaten Kerry Tyrone and Cork in the last decade. No bother whatsoever..
Sure listen Kerrys 4 in a row.. sure who was around back then of great note? Kerry were miles ahead! It's much more competitive now.
There's a lot of talk about the 00's but as big Sean said recently ''Dublin are the best team I ever competed against"
I'll go with his POV to be fair
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Replying To why: "Answer the question. What were you talking?" Honestly have no idea what your on about
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 21:03:31
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Replying To jimbodub: "Honestly have no idea what your on about" You replayed to my comment or did you forget that? I'll remind you then. What were you talking about in the comments i highlighted? It surely can't be too hard to answer seeing as there are your comments
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 21:16:37
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Sure an average Dubs team with a soft spine and no high end free kick taker, numerous positional problems (Denis Bastik and Paddy Andrews playing in the defence!!) with a half back playing in midfield competed well enough against all those teams.
2008 Quarter-final
Tyrone 3-14 Dublin 1-08
2009 Quarter-final
Kerry 1-24 Dublin 1-07
Ya they differently did well against them alright.....
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 21:21:57
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Replying To why: "You replayed to my comment or did you forget that? I'll remind you then. What were you talking about in the comments i highlighted? It surely can't be too hard to answer seeing as there are your comments" It's a very odd question your asking though..
I think it was theflaker having a pop at D Bastik ( Although he didnt mean anything)
I was just pointing out some of his achievements in rebuttal in a sort of having a laugh way
It's odd you need that explained but hope that helps. Now if you're finished with your rather directed and oddly off point over familiarity that's where I'll be leaving it with you.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 21:24:28
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Replying To jimbodub: "Yet Kerry had to win a title after getting beaten through the back door,
Tyrone win 2 of their 3 titles through the back door.. they had a system that Kerry couldn't adapt appropriately enough to win,
lobbing in high ball/long ball into 2 6 foot plus tall forwards (hardly majestic football) and Tyrone bullied Kerry and Cork fell over the line to win one title in 2010.
Tyrone couldn't do a back to back and were weak enough the following season after winning a title, nowhere near their top form and we're beaten well.
This Dubs team would have easily beaten Tyrone in the 00's.
Sure an average Dubs team with a soft spine and no high end free kick taker, numerous positional problems (Denis Bastik and Paddy Andrews playing in the defence!!) with a half back playing in midfield competed well enough against all those teams.
The current Dubs team are an awful lot better, Dubs current B team would best the Dub 00's team and would have beaten Kerry Tyrone and Cork in the last decade. No bother whatsoever..
Sure listen Kerrys 4 in a row.. sure who was around back then of great note? Kerry were miles ahead! It's much more competitive now.
There's a lot of talk about the 00's but as big Sean said recently ''Dublin are the best team I ever competed against"
I'll go with his POV to be fair" And the weakest Kerry outfit in 30 years has pushed Dublin on a number of occasions too. That means nothing jimbo. That Tyrone team were superb, as were Kerry throughout that decade.
There is no doubt Dublin would be successful no matter when they played. There is no doubt also that the paucity of the opposition at the moment has served them very well. Your assertion that today is the pinnacle of football i can't agree with. You have one exceptional team, all the others have major issues, in fact almost all the traditional strong teams are in serious regression. It's quite an unusual situation tbh.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 31/03/2018 21:25:10
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "And the weakest Kerry outfit in 30 years has pushed Dublin on a number of occasions too. That means nothing jimbo. That Tyrone team were superb, as were Kerry throughout that decade.
There is no doubt Dublin would be successful no matter when they played. There is no doubt also that the paucity of the opposition at the moment has served them very well. Your assertion that today is the pinnacle of football i can't agree with. You have one exceptional team, all the others have major issues, in fact almost all the traditional strong teams are in serious regression. It's quite an unusual situation tbh." And where were the traditionaly strong teams in the 00's??
Cavan? Meath? Down? Dublin?
Tyrone certainly wouldn't have been traditionally strong, neither would have been Armagh, Cork have a decent team every 20 years so it was an odd decade
So your traditionally strong logic is a bit weak. Both Armagh and Tyrone won their first titles ever in the 00's and the back door was introduced.. hardly a traditional decade
Monagahan, Donegal, Mayo are all stronger teams now
The tactical side of the game is of a much higher level now and that's made it much harder to beat teams
Dubs went through their worst football period in their entire history across the 00's
But we never pointed out our weakness in ordee to denounce Kerry and Tyrones achievements... that was the worst Dubs team period in the history of Dublin GAA
Hardly a traditional decade at all the 00's
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 21:37:57
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Replying To why: "Sure an average Dubs team with a soft spine and no high end free kick taker, numerous positional problems (Denis Bastik and Paddy Andrews playing in the defence!!) with a half back playing in midfield competed well enough against all those teams.
2008 Quarter-final
Tyrone 3-14 Dublin 1-08
2009 Quarter-final
Kerry 1-24 Dublin 1-07
Ya they differently did well against them alright....." What about 2007?
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 21:39:18
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Replying To jimbodub: "Yet Kerry had to win a title after getting beaten through the back door,
Tyrone win 2 of their 3 titles through the back door.. they had a system that Kerry couldn't adapt appropriately enough to win,
lobbing in high ball/long ball into 2 6 foot plus tall forwards (hardly majestic football) and Tyrone bullied Kerry and Cork fell over the line to win one title in 2010.
Tyrone couldn't do a back to back and were weak enough the following season after winning a title, nowhere near their top form and we're beaten well.
This Dubs team would have easily beaten Tyrone in the 00's.
Sure an average Dubs team with a soft spine and no high end free kick taker, numerous positional problems (Denis Bastik and Paddy Andrews playing in the defence!!) with a half back playing in midfield competed well enough against all those teams.
The current Dubs team are an awful lot better, Dubs current B team would best the Dub 00's team and would have beaten Kerry Tyrone and Cork in the last decade. No bother whatsoever..
Sure listen Kerrys 4 in a row.. sure who was around back then of great note? Kerry were miles ahead! It's much more competitive now.
There's a lot of talk about the 00's but as big Sean said recently ''Dublin are the best team I ever competed against"
I'll go with his POV to be fair" Sure listen Kerrys 4 in a row.. sure who was around back then of great note? Kerry were miles ahead! It's much more competitive now
Cork, Dublin, Offaly were more competitive than most teams now. Could also add Roscommon and Tyrone just behind them as well.
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 21:40:34
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Replying To jimbodub: " Replying To why: "Sure an average Dubs team with a soft spine and no high end free kick taker, numerous positional problems (Denis Bastik and Paddy Andrews playing in the defence!!) with a half back playing in midfield competed well enough against all those teams.
2008 Quarter-final
Tyrone 3-14 Dublin 1-08
2009 Quarter-final
Kerry 1-24 Dublin 1-07
Ya they differently did well against them alright....." What about 2007?"
why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 21:44:12
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Your ignoring how much more tactical the game has evolved across this decade it's a different playing field altogether now
I'm sure the Dubs team of the 00's could have faired much better if they played like Kerry under Fitzmaurice.. Dubs in the 00's played man on man and didn't have a breeze how to properly setup against a swarm defence (like yourselves)
Tyrone were a great team no doubt but hey we drew with them in 05 and could have won that game, but Tyrone were very beatable across the 00's as they found out themselves losing twice in Ulster and were poor enough at defending their titles!
Dubs were not far off Kerry in 07 playing man v man.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 21:47:18
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