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Well done to Carlow in the football and Laois in the hurling. Our crowd once again can be relied upon to melt like snow off a ditch in the games that really matter. The fact is that Antrim senior county teams don't have the physical and mental strength to tough these games out. You can see some of our guys literally disappearing on pitches when teams put it up to them. It is the same year in and year out and I don't think I am being unfair or harsh. Our senior county teams just don't have the stomach, heart and proverbials for the fight. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 18/03/2018 17:57:58 2085414 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done to Carlow in the football and Laois in the hurling. Our crowd once again can be relied upon to melt like snow off a ditch in the games that really matter. The fact is that Antrim senior county teams don't have the physical and mental strength to tough these games out. You can see some of our guys literally disappearing on pitches when teams put it up to them. It is the same year in and year out and I don't think I am being unfair or harsh. Our senior county teams just don't have the stomach, heart and proverbials for the fight." I don't know really much about the hurling squad. The football squad is very weak this year. Plenty of better players not turning out for us. Some of the lads that have the ability to play at this level are regularly on the sauce and are not fit enough for intercounty football. The football is in a bad way at the minute and it's hard to see what can change it anytime soon. I wouldn't say we're bottlers in the football. We're just not up to it. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 18/03/2018 18:16:20 2085430 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done to Carlow in the football and Laois in the hurling. Our crowd once again can be relied upon to melt like snow off a ditch in the games that really matter. The fact is that Antrim senior county teams don't have the physical and mental strength to tough these games out. You can see some of our guys literally disappearing on pitches when teams put it up to them. It is the same year in and year out and I don't think I am being unfair or harsh. Our senior county teams just don't have the stomach, heart and proverbials for the fight." On fairness you are still in with a shout should you beat Limerick and we do you a favour agaimst Laois. We dont need any motivation to try and overhaul our neighbours Todays game was tense and very hard fought. Antrim have a good manager and prepared well. one difference today was discipline. We have cracked that eventually but ot lost is many a game Maybe see you im league final Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 18/03/2018 18:32:25 2085440 Link
Another dismal year in both codes. The hurlers were fairly unlucky to end up in the relegation play-off in the first place. But today you just knew that Laois would eventually sneak it. That's several big games in the last few years we've lost by one or two very late points: Kerry in the relegation play-off, Meath in the Ring final, Dublin in the league and today. You have to question the team's bottle in those crucial last minutes of a tight game. It's frustrating because the potential is clearly there. We had Galway rattled in Salthill. As for the footballers, well it seems Carlow are now better than us at both football and hurling which is embarrassing for a county of our size. Promotion next year will be even tougher with Wexford and either Offaly or Sligo making the drop. M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 461 - 18/03/2018 23:15:08 2085601 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "I don't know really much about the hurling squad. The football squad is very weak this year. Plenty of better players not turning out for us. Some of the lads that have the ability to play at this level are regularly on the sauce and are not fit enough for intercounty football. The football is in a bad way at the minute and it's hard to see what can change it anytime soon. I wouldn't say we're bottlers in the football. We're just not up to it." There are fellas in both football and hurling squads who think that JUST being selected for the county teams means 'they have made it' and that 'they are the bees knees'. They then swan about the county with undeserved arrogance and the 'don't you know who I am' mindset. I could name them now but obviously won't. They are charlatans and frauds and should ** away off for all the good they do. I know the Antrim club and county scene well and it's been like this for years. At inter county level we are a total disgrace. Ulsterman (Antrim)** - Posts: 9702 - 18/03/2018 23:34:58 2085606 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "There are fellas in both football and hurling squads who think that JUST being selected for the county teams means 'they have made it' and that 'they are the bees knees'. They then swan about the county with undeserved arrogance and the 'don't you know who I am' mindset. I could name them now but obviously won't. They are charlatans and frauds and should ** away off for all the good they do. I know the Antrim club and county scene well and it's been like this for years. At inter county level we are a total disgrace." Utter nonsense, as usual. I sometimes think that you just post this drivel for a bit of attention. You choose to single out the players all of the time. No set up is perfect. no individual is perfect. Do you get that? Do you honestly believe that the players who sacrifice a personal life to represent our county playing our National games do so for some sort of pseudo celebrity status. Wise up. Do yo honestly believe that they go out to intentionally lose matches? I know lots of the lads involved in both codes and they are the most committed, genuine bunch you could meet. They do the hard yards over the winter, week in and week out to hit the standards required. Yes we don't have the most talented players in either code playing for the County. I know there are some lads who cannot give the commitment required at County level these days and others who prefer to concentrate on their clubs. We should all be doing what we can to get the best infrastructure in place across the county to ensure our clubs can flourish, and that our county teams are the best they can be. Our hurlers were as competitive this year, so far, as they have been in recent times. The footballers are still involved and are work in progress. All of us who care should be doing what we can to improve things. Continually criticising players is not the way to go. Glensboy (Antrim)** - Posts: 288 - 19/03/2018 10:36:03 2085689 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "There are fellas in both football and hurling squads who think that JUST being selected for the county teams means 'they have made it' and that 'they are the bees knees'. They then swan about the county with undeserved arrogance and the 'don't you know who I am' mindset. I could name them now but obviously won't. They are charlatans and frauds and should ** away off for all the good they do. I know the Antrim club and county scene well and it's been like this for years. At inter county level we are a total disgrace." Who are the players you talking about? Name them The_Fridge (Tyrone)** - Posts: 2088 - 19/03/2018 11:59:08 2085749 Link
Nonsense thread. Laois are the best of the teams outside the top 10 and have had strong underage teams for years. Laois also had a lot of players on the it carlow team that got to the fitzgibbon cup final. Antrim were level with 5 minutes left and just lost by 2 points. In the football, Carlow are on a run of 9 league wins on the trot. We are too good for division 4 and Antrim may still get promoted with us. Try to be positive about your own county Ulsterman and the players will respond. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 19/03/2018 12:31:40 2085763 Link
The current crop of Antrim players in both codes are soft, their heads drop too easy and they don't have the mental strength at this level. It's no good mollycoddling them all the time and patting their heads going "There, There!...it'll all be OK". They need to toughen up or ship out, that's the stark reality. The time for indulging them is long over. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 19/03/2018 15:45:08 2085856 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "The current crop of Antrim players in both codes are soft, their heads drop too easy and they don't have the mental strength at this level. It's no good mollycoddling them all the time and patting their heads going "There, There!...it'll all be OK". They need to toughen up or ship out, that's the stark reality. The time for indulging them is long over." That answers that then. Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 288 - 19/03/2018 16:35:41 2085878 Link
A ridiculous thred. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 19/03/2018 17:24:09 2085900 Link
This thread really irritates me to be honest. It is very disrespectful to the likes of Carlow. It implies that we have some sort of right to be beating them and that to lose to Carlow must show some sort of mental weakness. Carlow are a well coached outfit. The play the game well, their management team are an innovative bunch at the head of coaching practices within the country. They are just better than us right now. They have a small pick, but there's no reason why they can't move on to further success. Monaghan is a small county (albeit football mad and Carlow have hurling to support also) and yet has been a mainstay in division 1 and the All Ireland quarterfinals now for a number of years now. There's no reason why Carlow can't push on further. You've got previous for this sort of thing ulsterman, coming on after last year's Christy Ring saying we should just give up intercounty hurling. I hope people on here realise this guy doesn't speak for the average Antrim GAA fan. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 19/03/2018 18:06:10 2085921 Link
Replying To carlovia: "Nonsense thread. Laois are the best of the teams outside the top 10 and have had strong underage teams for years. Laois also had a lot of players on the it carlow team that got to the fitzgibbon cup final. Antrim were level with 5 minutes left and just lost by 2 points. In the football, Carlow are on a run of 9 league wins on the trot. We are too good for division 4 and Antrim may still get promoted with us. Try to be positive about your own county Ulsterman and the players will respond." Neil McManus missed a penalty against Laois which possibly cost them the game. I don't think anyone could call big Neil a bottler. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 19/03/2018 20:07:37 2085978 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Well done to Carlow in the football and Laois in the hurling. Our crowd once again can be relied upon to melt like snow off a ditch in the games that really matter. The fact is that Antrim senior county teams don't have the physical and mental strength to tough these games out. You can see some of our guys literally disappearing on pitches when teams put it up to them. It is the same year in and year out and I don't think I am being unfair or harsh. Our senior county teams just don't have the stomach, heart and proverbials for the fight." Thought you were talking about Meath there for a minute, aptly describes us too 32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4122 - 19/03/2018 22:40:29 2086054 Link
There are enough facilities and population to ensure Antrim should be much stronger than they are. Couple of talented players used to be able to get on anytime they want, not great for morale. Everyone knows who they were ffs, nothing to be gained by naming names, it's a management issue not a player issue essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 20/03/2018 09:26:15 2086104 Link
Antrim footballers first loss of the season and they get called bottlers by the same man who comes on here every year to say the same thing about them. This after not even watching the games because why would you when you think the teams should withdraw from league and championship every year. I've been critical of my county at times as well but Ulsterman this has become an obsessive habit of yours. As other posters have already pointed out Antrim have no entitlement to beat any team and when you actually stop to look at the opposition and the good work they have put in instead of judging them on their history etc you might see that Carlow was going to be a tough game. Antrim are still in with a shot at promotion and already you've jumped the gun to say your piece. I get the feeling you almost enjoy seeing Antrim lose because praise is in short supply when they win. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 20/03/2018 14:38:23 2086251 Link
Glad to see that quite a few Antrim GAA people agree with me going by the comments in the Irish News Off The Fence column today. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 22/03/2018 15:12:23 2087000 Link
Is posting a thread like this in the national forum right ?, many non Antrim people looking at this so to me it seems wrong to be criticising your own on here. Thus seems more like a complaint Antrim people should have between themselves. My grand mother had an old saying for people who criticised their own family to others, its a bad eel that bites its own tail. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 22/03/2018 19:49:31 2087096 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Glad to see that quite a few Antrim GAA people agree with me going by the comments in the Irish News Off The Fence column today." Was it you? That was my first reaction when I read it The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 22/03/2018 20:24:13 2087106 Link
Urgently need Casement Park developed in Ireland's second largest city, a beautiful county also I must say. This might inspire the youth to aspire to bigger things. Massive potential in Antrim but it must start at underage. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 22/03/2018 20:59:43 2087119 Link