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David Gough and his officials I think we're a bit harsh although strictly speaking playing the rules. Colin O Rourke seemed to be very much of the opinion that he was dead right. Surely a little communication and a brief halt to play would have been more sensible thing to do. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 26/02/2018 12:06:59 2080420 Link
Replying To catch22: "David Gough and his officials I think we're a bit harsh although strictly speaking playing the rules. Colin O Rourke seemed to be very much of the opinion that he was dead right. Surely a little communication and a brief halt to play would have been more sensible thing to do." Eoin Doyle is a big boy so should know he has to have a gumshield. CON making the ref the scapegoat becuase his players are not properly equiped. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 26/02/2018 12:32:40 2080435 Link
Ref was 100% right, no discussion needed. Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 26/02/2018 12:41:01 2080442 Link
If we are applying the rule exactly to the letter of the law, yes it was right However... If that is applied across the board in all matches, most games wouldn't even get to start. 90% of players have them in their sock or their compression shorts. If I was from Kildare I'd feel very aggrieved about it. I seen a picture on this site last week of Gearoid McKeirnan of Cavan going for a ball & his gumshield clearly visible through his compression shorts. Does that mean theres sufficient evidence to retrospectively ban punish him in the way other offences have been in the past? I know that's being slightly pedantic, but then again I think the initial incident was dealt with in a pedantic manor so its just to highlight that. Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 26/02/2018 13:08:07 2080458 Link
I didn't see the incident but how did he know he didn't have them in, was he mouthing off to him?. Rules are rules though while it does seem harsh you have to wear them Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1595 - 26/02/2018 13:14:17 2080461 Link
He was given a yellow first as a warning for not wearing the gum shield and then a second yellow followed. Eoin Doyle only has himself to blame. Well done to David Gough. PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 26/02/2018 13:26:48 2080468 Link
Replying To witnof: "Eoin Doyle is a big boy so should know he has to have a gumshield. CON making the ref the scapegoat becuase his players are not properly equiped." He did know he was supposed to have a gumshield. He was wearing one at the start of the game & it got knocked out in a challenge. He was going to the sideline to get a replacement. KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 26/02/2018 13:38:16 2080477 Link
Replying To PortInFaithful: "He was given a yellow first as a warning for not wearing the gum shield and then a second yellow followed. Eoin Doyle only has himself to blame. Well done to David Gough." Just not true. His first yellow was for a foul. The ref forgot he gave him an earlier yellow when he gave him the second & had to go back subsequently to give him the red. Do you really think that would have happened if the first yellow had been a warning about the gumshield ? KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 26/02/2018 13:47:00 2080490 Link
Replying To PortInFaithful: "He was given a yellow first as a warning for not wearing the gum shield and then a second yellow followed. Eoin Doyle only has himself to blame. Well done to David Gough." No he was given a first yellow for a foul and the second yellow was for the gum shield. When you see what some players get away with when already in a yellow card, to send him off was ridiculous. He didn't physically hurt anyone. Surely a word with Doyle would have been enough. As an earlier poster said, pedantic. Even then he made a bags of sending him off!! kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 26/02/2018 13:51:45 2080497 Link
Replying To KildareKelly: "He did know he was supposed to have a gumshield. He was wearing one at the start of the game & it got knocked out in a challenge. He was going to the sideline to get a replacement." Must have been some challenge to knock his gumshield out! Seems overly officious maybe but the rule is there in black and white. Gough could have maybe stopped play if Doyle interfered before he managed to get to the sideline for the replacement. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 26/02/2018 13:57:29 2080501 Link
Surely the spirit of the law could have been applied , particularly since the ref wasn't totally consistent in this regard as radio commentators mentioned that a Donegal player wasn't wearing one either and the ref took no action. Though it was mentioned that he sent a number of players to the sideline to get gum shields before the start. I understand that this rule has to be applied as a player is not covered by insurance if he fails to wear one and gets an injury. However in Owen Doyle's case was a yellow card not a bit harsh as he had his gum shield originally knocked from his mouth in a tackle? lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 26/02/2018 13:59:49 2080505 Link
David Gough after an afternoon of criticism obviously communicated with Colm O'Rourke before 'League Sunday' on RTE2. Referees don't explain decisions after a match but it was clear that O'Rourke was his spokesperson last night armed with detailed information of on pitch exchanges. Strictly speaking within the rules the referee acted correctly but one feels that had he communicated as effectively with the players as he did with a TV pundit the whole situation might have been averted. Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 26/02/2018 14:02:21 2080507 Link
A bit of cop on from the referee wouldnt go amiss. This ref is often the centre of attention while a good ref never is. 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 26/02/2018 14:02:35 2080508 Link
Replying To kildare73: "No he was given a first yellow for a foul and the second yellow was for the gum shield. When you see what some players get away with when already in a yellow card, to send him off was ridiculous. He didn't physically hurt anyone. Surely a word with Doyle would have been enough. As an earlier poster said, pedantic. Even then he made a bags of sending him off!!" Ok I stand corrected on what the first yellow card was for. It seems harsh on Eoin Doyle but at the end of the day he broke the rules by not wearing a gum shield on the field of play. So therefore David Gough made the right call. PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 26/02/2018 14:06:33 2080510 Link
Gough's just lucky Doyle didn't manage to pop over a point or setup a score in the 2/3 minutes he remained on the pitch before realising he didn't show him a red card after giving him the second yellow. Would have been some joke then. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 26/02/2018 14:28:02 2080523 Link
No doubt it was harsh but the crackdown on mouthpieces is something that has been prevalent in any games I have attended over the last couple of weeks. I presume there must be some directive from the top down. There were a couple of players told to put them in at the McKenna Cup final. The same weekend I was at the Trench Cup final semi finals were there were numerous players sent to the sideline to put their mouthpieces in. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 26/02/2018 14:28:35 2080524 Link
Replying To PortInFaithful: "Ok I stand corrected on what the first yellow card was for. It seems harsh on Eoin Doyle but at the end of the day he broke the rules by not wearing a gum shield on the field of play. So therefore David Gough made the right call." The way I understand the incident as it was explained today is that the Ref sent Owen Doyle to the line to get another gum shield. No Yellow card for this. The ball was out of play but the ref didn't wait until Doyle had gotten another gum shield before resuming play. As Owen Doyle went towards the sideline, the ref indicated to the Kildare goal keeper to take his kickout. Donnellen duly did, kicking the ball directly to Owen Doyle who caught the ball. The Ref then stopped play and issued Owen Doyle with a second yellow and then a red card. lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 26/02/2018 14:28:47 2080525 Link
Replying To PortInFaithful: "Ok I stand corrected on what the first yellow card was for. It seems harsh on Eoin Doyle but at the end of the day he broke the rules by not wearing a gum shield on the field of play. So therefore David Gough made the right call." But his gumshields fell out! LooseCannon (Offaly) - Posts: 86 - 26/02/2018 14:33:38 2080531 Link
The Ref may be 100% correct but how correct are all Refs in the rules of play when obvious fouls go unpunished. They appear to get the simple ones correct and big calls incorrect. 'Witnof Dublin' if you care to look back at AI when the first goal was scored with 9 or ten steps-maybe that rule which may have cost the match should have been applied!!. The rule is stupid and it should be up to a player whether he wears or not. A gum shield is of little value for head injuries which are much more serious. Its a pity that lots of Refs appears not to know the meaning of common sense. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/02/2018 14:37:33 2080534 Link
They seem to be cracking down on the mouth guards. I wonder was there any specific communication to the dressing rooms in advance of the game. I've seen that happen in a club game. Ref came into the dressing room and told us anyone without a gum shield would be booked (which is the rule), no excuses. In fairness, the ref sent out a message by telling other players to get their gum shields before throw in. He could have booked Doyle immediately for not having the gum shield but gave him a chance to get one. He did not need to field the kick out. You'd also think Doyle would have been a bit smarter given he was already booked for (for a foul) Cupotay (Donegal) - Posts: 31 - 26/02/2018 14:51:44 2080548 Link