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A clutch player is an American football term which describes a player that will step up and do the right thing or make the right decision when it's late in the game. I mentioned it on here about a year ago myself and people thought I was mad.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/02/2018 15:31:11 2077134 Link 0 |
Clutch is an american term. It's basically a player that can produce the goods when it matters most, a player that doesn't disappear when the going gets tough or the pressure is on. Cillian O'Connor wouldn't be classified as a clutch player or AOS but Dean Rock would be clutch. When the pressure is on he delivers.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/02/2018 15:37:32 2077138 Link 0 |
You forgot sean cavanagh, conor gormley, ryan mellon, philip jordon, ryan mc and enda mcginley. I do take your point re negative football but that is becasuse you do not have much talent. Harte, donnelly and colm cavanagh are good Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 15/02/2018 16:29:44 2077157 Link 0 |
You forgot James wallop Horan if you want to talk about highlighting players and influencing. Now, wind it back in there lad. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 15/02/2018 16:57:26 2077166 Link 0 |
Agree - sick to the back teeth of Harte - been a fan in the past of him and Tyrone football but not anymore. Sick of his constant whining and the way he has good footballers ruined by his failed system - was good 10 years ago not now - he hasn't learned nor moved on - esp after the embarrassment of last year!!! Funny I see big Sean on Sunday Game when he's freed from Mickeys clutches - that shows me that the players are being forced to comply to Hartes autocracy - why does Tyrone County Board continue with this - he's had his day - fair play, pat on back but move on!!!
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 15/02/2018 17:05:23 2077169 Link 2 |
Agree - sick to the back teeth of Harte - been a fan in the past of him and Tyrone football but not anymore. Sick of his constant whining and the way he has good footballers ruined by his failed system - was good 10 years ago not now - he hasn't learned nor moved on - esp after the embarrassment of last year!!! Funny I see big Sean on Sunday Game when he's freed from Mickeys clutches - that shows me that the players are being forced to comply to Hartes autocracy - why does Tyrone County Board continue with this - he's had his day - fair play, pat on back but move on!!!
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 15/02/2018 17:14:49 2077175 Link 1 |
There's no anti-Tyrone agenda, he's either paranoid or he's still trying the 'it's us v the world' tactic, I'm sorry Mickey but only works when you have players good enough to win an AI. Now Tyrone have some very good players without a doubt but are they good enough to challenge the top teams in an All-Ireland final.....I think they're just a step or two off that. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/02/2018 18:32:59 2077201 Link 1 |
Tyrone have the players, it just looks to me that they are to regimental and not willing to take the chances that come along hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 15/02/2018 18:55:45 2077207 Link 0 |
Exactly hipster and who calls the shots?
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 15/02/2018 19:02:15 2077210 Link 0 |
Ryan Mellon? Seriously? You could argue for Sean Cavangh but i honestly think Tiernan McCann, Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly and Colm Cavangh are every bit as good as those other players you mentioned. It was the success that made them house hold names and their attitude set them apart. But talent wise our current crop are just as good. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 15/02/2018 19:08:51 2077215 Link 1 |
We agree to differ. Young dooher wa a good player. Canavan, o'neill and cavanagh full forwards better than any forwards today or who would you drop above and who would replace them,? Think tyrone v monaghan winner in the championship will win ulster. Tyrone should win by 1pt. Think both teams will make to last 8 and tyrone will be beaten In semi final by either dublin, mayo or kerry. Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 15/02/2018 19:59:37 2077226 Link 1 |
I would agree with Mickey to a point, they were very good last year until they met a superb Dublin team that just blew them away. They are not the first team to have that happen to them and they won't be the last. While they are not a patch on the 03-08 team, I think Tyrone could beat anybody bar Dublin on their day. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 15/02/2018 20:31:00 2077240 Link 0 |
2005 winning team: McConnell; R McMenamin, J McMahon, M McGee; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; E McGinley, S Cavanagh; B Dooher (0-1), B McGuigan (0-3), R Mellon (0-2); P Canavan (1-1), S O'Neill (0-4), O Mulligan (0-4) Team vs Dublin last year: Morgan; Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey; Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Conall McCann; David Mulgrew, Niall Sudden, Kieran McGeary; Mark Bradley, Sean Cavanagh, Matthew Donnelly. I think your argument is dead in the water. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/02/2018 20:51:38 2077247 Link 0 |
Do Dublin get men behind the ball? It was proved from the other night they do. Same as 2011. Same at 2016. Mickey thinks there is an agenda against Tyrone in the media. I feel there is. As someone else said stick an article up about Tyrone and it will sell. Let's not get started on Brolly. There have been many examples of the media portraying Tyrone and their clubs as thugs and the bringing negativity to the game. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/02/2018 21:01:39 2077250 Link 0 |
Couldn't put it better myself
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/02/2018 21:03:59 2077251 Link 0 |
Jaysus that 2005 Tyrone team was something else! To be fair the current team is good, they'd beat most teams in Ireland but I couldn't see them living with the 2005 team, totally different animals.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/02/2018 21:08:55 2077254 Link 1 |
Good counter argument. Just name the team from 05. Really well thought out. I think i was clear in my assessment that we dont have an O'Neill or Canavan, Mayo dont have these players either but it doesn't stop them from playing with abandon and actually attacking the Dublins and Kerrys of this world. We had some great footballers in 05 but the environment which they played in created the ability to be great. They knew they could fully commit to the attack without any fear that they may break from the system. On the contrary our players are in a system that stifles creativity so much that they literally dont know what to do once plan A doesnt work out. Listen i played with and against most of the Tyrone team of the noughties at club level and skill wise the young lads we have right now are just as good. The difference is down to the system they play and the trust they have in each other and the trust the manager has in them, which appears to be none. What about you name the team of 08. On paper was that team world beaters? Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 15/02/2018 22:19:49 2077282 Link 0 |
you just cant compare the noughties team with now. those guys were allowed to express themselves and be the best they could but the current crop are being turned into robots by a paranoid dictator. so much wasted talent. i attend alot of club football in tyrone and i can tell u now the standard is excellent. only a few clubs have copied the harte template. most games are open and forwards allowed to do their stuff, defenders also. ive said it before but harte has stayed at least 6 yrs too long. the football people of tyrone deserve better.
southtyronegael (Tyrone) - Posts: 19 - 15/02/2018 22:37:00 2077287 Link 0 |
I think micky harte is there to long, they need a new manager with fresh ideas who will look at other players and give things a right shake, i am not slagging off micky harte but things do have to come to an end
hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 15/02/2018 22:45:22 2077291 Link 0 |
Tyrone are not as good as Dublin or Kerry at present. That could apply to a lot of counties though! thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 15/02/2018 22:59:23 2077294 Link 0 |