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Replying To grahamc9897: "Yeah Whatever If paddy was there He would be no1..These 3 are 3rd 4th and 5th choices really...Kinda the same throughout the squad! Im no dooms day merchant but a realist..This is quite a weak squad in my opinion but time will tell I suppose..Big Year For Andy to produce the goods.." What would your perfect squad be with all players available?
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 20/12/2017 10:58:28
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Replying To grahamc9897: "Yeah Whatever If paddy was there He would be no1..These 3 are 3rd 4th and 5th choices really...Kinda the same throughout the squad! Im no dooms day merchant but a realist..This is quite a weak squad in my opinion but time will tell I suppose..Big Year For Andy to produce the goods.." throughout the squad? you are basically saying that there are 2 players better in each position all over the squad, give over, do you know that all the supposed better players have walked away from the panel and not been dropped? do you not find it strange that for instance Joe is back in for 6 weeks or so and then suddenly decides that he cannot commit and that just happens to be a couple of weeks after 3 other keepers are brought in? Paddy is certainly a loss, no doubt. Padraic Harnan is a loss, Donnacha Tobin is a loss. Jones and O'Caolain are losses but I'm sure every county has the same issues every year with injuries/work/education and lads just getting fed up of it, intercounty football is a tough pass time and certainly if you read half of the BS on here, you would be wondering "why should I bother?"
longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 20/12/2017 11:02:38
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Replying To bert09: "What would your perfect squad be with all players available?" Thats Not For me To Say..But its a fact that this is not the best 41 players in Meath Football with the dropouts and Players not commiting..Others were asked to come in and declined for whatever reason..I know for a fact that Andy was the reason some players walked away last year that could have been in this year..
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 20/12/2017 11:32:50
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Replying To grahamc9897: "Thats Not For me To Say..But its a fact that this is not the best 41 players in Meath Football with the dropouts and Players not commiting..Others were asked to come in and declined for whatever reason..I know for a fact that Andy was the reason some players walked away last year that could have been in this year.." Right Graham, can you tell us all these players that
1) dropped out - Paddy and Joe retired they've given ten years + of service
2) Aren't committing - Jones, O'Coileain and Harnan have study commitments. the gaa won't oay their bills or the GPA give them grants etc to complete their studies
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3) declined the invitation - Mikey Newman
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4) who are these players that you know for a fact won't work with Andy
Lets be honest no manager will every be everyone's cup of tea. If they won't commit to playing because of who their manager is well then that's their problem. It's pretty much accepted Andy is the best man for the job. If there are players who won't work with him its a bad reflection on them.
There'll never be a universal acceptance that this is the best players out there but by god these lads have committed and they deserve my support and yours too because they're willing to put in the hard work, commitment required.
If players aren't willing to put in the work needed they don't deserve to wear the green jersey. I'm sick of seeing players turning up expecting a jersey and then not performing when given the chance.
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 20/12/2017 11:44:24
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Replying To longroadback: "throughout the squad? you are basically saying that there are 2 players better in each position all over the squad, give over, do you know that all the supposed better players have walked away from the panel and not been dropped? do you not find it strange that for instance Joe is back in for 6 weeks or so and then suddenly decides that he cannot commit and that just happens to be a couple of weeks after 3 other keepers are brought in? Paddy is certainly a loss, no doubt. Padraic Harnan is a loss, Donnacha Tobin is a loss. Jones and O'Caolain are losses but I'm sure every county has the same issues every year with injuries/work/education and lads just getting fed up of it, intercounty football is a tough pass time and certainly if you read half of the BS on here, you would be wondering "why should I bother?"" Obviously im not saying that there are 2 players better in each position all over the county..With Regards to Joe his reasons are well known..Gallagher playing was decided when Joe Left,Not Sure about the other 2 Lads..But that had no bearing on him leaving..He sat on the on the bench all of last year and never complained once..The players just are not there in Meath at the Moment and some of the so called better lads are not available,,5 of the 18 involved Against donegal are now gone basically 30 percent..The squad has to suffer for that reason
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 20/12/2017 11:46:12
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "First of all it's great to see Andy searching far and wide, there is 13 lads there who are getting their first shot at Meath senior football which is great to see. My biggest concerns would be some of the players there didn't stand out in club football over the past year. McKeever, McCabe, Dardis and Glynn were the 4 standout players in the championship so i'm happy to see all 4 in the set up.
We know what Keoghan, Reilly, O Sullivan, Burke, Menton, Lenihan and McGill can do so I think it would be a waste of time playing them in the OBC i'd save them for the league. I've question marks over the 2 Wallaces and Sean Tobin just from seen so little progress over the last couple of years.
For the first round of the O Byrne Cup this is the team I would be going with:
1.) Andy Colgan
2.) Robert Garry
3.) Seamus Lavin
4.) Shane Glynn
5.) Liam Ferguson
6.) Brian Conlon
7.) David Toner
8.) Adam Flanagan
9.) Harry Rooney
10.) Alan Douglas
11.) Barry Dardis
12.) Mark McCabe
13.) Bryan McMahon
14.) Thomas O'Reilly
15.) Podge McKeever" Good post.
The O'Byrne Cup is for experimenting and gives the new lads an opportunity to stake their claim for places in the league panel.
Toney (Meath) - Posts: 298 - 20/12/2017 11:51:20
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Replying To brian: "Right Graham, can you tell us all these players that
1) dropped out - Paddy and Joe retired they've given ten years + of service
2) Aren't committing - Jones, O'Coileain and Harnan have study commitments. the gaa won't oay their bills or the GPA give them grants etc to complete their studies
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3) declined the invitation - Mikey Newman
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4) who are these players that you know for a fact won't work with Andy
Lets be honest no manager will every be everyone's cup of tea. If they won't commit to playing because of who their manager is well then that's their problem. It's pretty much accepted Andy is the best man for the job. If there are players who won't work with him its a bad reflection on them.
There'll never be a universal acceptance that this is the best players out there but by god these lads have committed and they deserve my support and yours too because they're willing to put in the hard work, commitment required.
If players aren't willing to put in the work needed they don't deserve to wear the green jersey. I'm sick of seeing players turning up expecting a jersey and then not performing when given the chance." Not Going to Hang Any lads out to dry..Not my Place to do so..Dont worry I will support this team win lose or draw but Have doubts,Serious doubts about hopes this year..If Andy doesn't deliver some kind of progression this year and not expecting miracles he has been a failure..Hopefully that wont be a problem and the year is a success
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 20/12/2017 12:05:29
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Replying To grahamc9897: " Replying To brian: "Right Graham, can you tell us all these players that
1) dropped out - Paddy and Joe retired they've given ten years + of service
2) Aren't committing - Jones, O'Coileain and Harnan have study commitments. the gaa won't oay their bills or the GPA give them grants etc to complete their studies
and
3) declined the invitation - Mikey Newman
and
4) who are these players that you know for a fact won't work with Andy
Lets be honest no manager will every be everyone's cup of tea. If they won't commit to playing because of who their manager is well then that's their problem. It's pretty much accepted Andy is the best man for the job. If there are players who won't work with him its a bad reflection on them.
There'll never be a universal acceptance that this is the best players out there but by god these lads have committed and they deserve my support and yours too because they're willing to put in the hard work, commitment required.
If players aren't willing to put in the work needed they don't deserve to wear the green jersey. I'm sick of seeing players turning up expecting a jersey and then not performing when given the chance." Not Going to Hang Any lads out to dry..Not my Place to do so..Dont worry I will support this team win lose or draw but Have doubts,Serious doubts about hopes this year..If Andy doesn't deliver some kind of progression this year and not expecting miracles he has been a failure..Hopefully that wont be a problem and the year is a success"
Have doubts,Serious doubts about hopes this year..If Andy doesn't deliver some kind of progression this year and not expecting miracles he has been a failure.... Is that not a contradiction?? Given the quality players you have said are not involved for the reasons you've stated previously....
brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 20/12/2017 12:17:39
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Replying To brian: " Replying To grahamc9897: "[quote=brian: "Right Graham, can you tell us all these players that
1) dropped out - Paddy and Joe retired they've given ten years + of service
2) Aren't committing - Jones, O'Coileain and Harnan have study commitments. the gaa won't oay their bills or the GPA give them grants etc to complete their studies
and
3) declined the invitation - Mikey Newman
and
4) who are these players that you know for a fact won't work with Andy
Lets be honest no manager will every be everyone's cup of tea. If they won't commit to playing because of who their manager is well then that's their problem. It's pretty much accepted Andy is the best man for the job. If there are players who won't work with him its a bad reflection on them.
There'll never be a universal acceptance that this is the best players out there but by god these lads have committed and they deserve my support and yours too because they're willing to put in the hard work, commitment required.
If players aren't willing to put in the work needed they don't deserve to wear the green jersey. I'm sick of seeing players turning up expecting a jersey and then not performing when given the chance." Not Going to Hang Any lads out to dry..Not my Place to do so..Dont worry I will support this team win lose or draw but Have doubts,Serious doubts about hopes this year..If Andy doesn't deliver some kind of progression this year and not expecting miracles he has been a failure..Hopefully that wont be a problem and the year is a success"
Have doubts,Serious doubts about hopes this year..If Andy doesn't deliver some kind of progression this year and not expecting miracles he has been a failure.... Is that not a contradiction?? Given the quality players you have said are not involved for the reasons you've stated previously...."]Nope Just Not My Place to Hang anyone out to dry simple as..Not My place
Not Expecting Leinster Titles or anything Being Competitive in the League would be good..Yes some quality has gone but some decents lads still there from last year..just not enough of them..The squad lacks strength in depth big time and It could have been better if some players decided not to play because of Andy..Its still a county team at the end of the day so some sort of progression needs to happen in his 2nd year..If Not then he has failed
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 20/12/2017 12:48:54
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I'd say it s quite a while since there was no O'Mahony's player on the meath senior squad.
Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 20/12/2017 12:57:15
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"If lads don't want to be part of it then there is nothing we can do and they are not the fellows we want involved"
Well said from Andy McEntee.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 20/12/2017 14:28:33
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Replying To ziggy320001: ""If lads don't want to be part of it then there is nothing we can do and they are not the fellows we want involved"
Well said from Andy McEntee." Well What Else Would He say..
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 20/12/2017 14:47:24
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Currently there is a panel of 41 players willing to burst a gut for this great county.
Let's get behind them lads!
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 20/12/2017 15:02:19
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Replying To grahamc9897: "Well What Else Would He say.." It's all in the Chronicle.
Looking forward to the season ahead etc. New players have added bit in the training.
Targeting the super 8s
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 20/12/2017 15:49:06
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Replying To grahamc9897: "Thats Not For me To Say..But its a fact that this is not the best 41 players in Meath Football with the dropouts and Players not commiting..Others were asked to come in and declined for whatever reason..I know for a fact that Andy was the reason some players walked away last year that could have been in this year.." What players walked away last year?? Can't make a sweeping statement like that. When two of those who would not play for mod came back, Rooney was always going to go away. So who are the other players to leave,
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/12/2017 16:53:40
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Replying To brian: "Right Graham, can you tell us all these players that
1) dropped out - Paddy and Joe retired they've given ten years + of service
2) Aren't committing - Jones, O'Coileain and Harnan have study commitments. the gaa won't oay their bills or the GPA give them grants etc to complete their studies
and
3) declined the invitation - Mikey Newman
and
4) who are these players that you know for a fact won't work with Andy
Lets be honest no manager will every be everyone's cup of tea. If they won't commit to playing because of who their manager is well then that's their problem. It's pretty much accepted Andy is the best man for the job. If there are players who won't work with him its a bad reflection on them.
There'll never be a universal acceptance that this is the best players out there but by god these lads have committed and they deserve my support and yours too because they're willing to put in the hard work, commitment required.
If players aren't willing to put in the work needed they don't deserve to wear the green jersey. I'm sick of seeing players turning up expecting a jersey and then not performing when given the chance." Excellent post.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/12/2017 16:55:48
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Replying To royaldunne: "What players walked away last year?? Can't make a sweeping statement like that. When two of those who would not play for mod came back, Rooney was always going to go away. So who are the other players to leave," Im not repeating myself again..Look at my previous answers..
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 20/12/2017 17:09:57
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Anyway some players looking forward to seeing how they can do.
Dardis, Glynn and Ferguson along with McKeever in the county jersey.
Anyone know anything about the Atboy lad?
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 20/12/2017 17:26:27
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Replying To ziggy320001: "It's all in the Chronicle.
Looking forward to the season ahead etc. New players have added bit in the training.
Targeting the super 8s" Well said ziggy
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/12/2017 17:29:01
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I'm actually for McEntee, think he is the best thing to happen to Meath football in 10+ years but you do have to look at the amount of players leaving.
Paddy O'Rourke, it wasn't worded that he retired, he quit the panel. No bs reasons or anything just he quit the panel.
Not sure whether D.Tobin was dropped or left himself but I did hear there was a disagreement.
I can accept Joe did retire but it was a strange time to announce it in my opinion, he started back training but then decided to retire.
I heard Keogan was going away but it had nothing to do with his "studies", not sure when or if he will be back.
James Toher has decided to go back to hurling.
R'O Coilean, Ronan Jones and Harnan all seem to be away studying which wouldn't be McEntee's fault.
That is 7 players (didn't include joe) who would have gotten a good few games for Meath next year and I don't think there is the depth in MEath to replace them.
I still think we will do better than a lot of people are saying but surely that amount of players leaving in a year is some type of record?
Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 20/12/2017 17:40:15
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