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Kickouts Beyond the 20m Line

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It passed at Congress so the tapout to a back inside the 20 is no longer an option. Not too sure why they are reverting to the longer only option. It will certainly now favour those teams who push right up on the kick outs. Seems like madness force the keeper to go longer and slow down the recycling of the ball.

Joxer (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 08:54:27    2052273

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How will it slow things down? They are trying to bring a bit of excitement back in to the kickouts, introducing the mark last year was part of this as well. Personally I hate seeing one kicked short to an unmarked back to be slowly hand passed up the field, yes its effective but its like watching paint dry in comparison to a well contested long kick.

It will probably favour the better teams that push up alright, and we will see lots of mistakes leading to scores. The goalkeeper, and having a good overall kickout strategy should become even more important. I think this is a good move but time will tell.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - 02/10/2017 09:30:25    2052282

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Replying To Joxer:  "It passed at Congress so the tapout to a back inside the 20 is no longer an option. Not too sure why they are reverting to the longer only option. It will certainly now favour those teams who push right up on the kick outs. Seems like madness force the keeper to go longer and slow down the recycling of the ball."
I'm assuming the aim is to have more contested kickouts, which generally does add to the spectacle. Not a bad move in my opinion.

WanPintWin (Galway) - 02/10/2017 09:35:10    2052283

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I think it's a good idea as it doesn't look great and will create more action around the restarts.
...and it will reduce the number of 45s we give away :-)

Superglue (Kerry) - 02/10/2017 09:35:54    2052285

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Seems like unnecessary tinkering to me.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - 02/10/2017 09:57:25    2052293

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It won't be long until there's a rule that the kick outs must be lamped out into the middle of the field to be contested 50/50.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 10:04:31    2052296

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The rule change will actually favour teams with keepers that can kick accurately off the tee. As it stands, a technically poor keeper can get away with taking short ones because there is so much dead space available. The short kick out will now become an art-form rather than a last resort. Positive change

MadgeKing (Cavan) - 02/10/2017 10:38:41    2052312

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Will have a massive effect at club level , I've seen so many teams taking the dribbler from the keeper recently and going threw the hand from there , club keepers will either revert to long and high , or have to put serious practice in for accuracy

Damothedub (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 10:53:33    2052321

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I think you'll find that the same people who were against the Mark are going to be against this.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - 02/10/2017 11:15:20    2052327

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I was against the mark originally, but I have been converted to it. I think this change will also be good. Both rule changes were thought out and put in for a specific purpose, they don't have a huge impact in the game overall but do change behaviour slightly, they are easy to understand and most importantly are easy to ref.

So pretty much the entire opposite of the black card fiasco

himachechy (Donegal) - 02/10/2017 12:00:44    2052345

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I think every country apart from mayo and Dublin will be happy with this ,love seen them teams take the short kickouts and driving up the pitch at speed it's hugely entertaining its certainly a lot better to watch then keeper hoofing it up to the midfield area all the time where tall useless midfielders who are only good at catching a ball and lay it off to someone who can play
I'm against it but that's just my opinion were all entitled to our own

Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - 02/10/2017 12:04:00    2052347

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The short sideways 'kick-out' always seemed a modern cop-out; glad to see the back of it.

essmac (Tyrone) - 02/10/2017 13:00:17    2052364

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I'm not sure it will make any difference for some teams really, for example 95% of all Cluxtons kick outs passed the twenty meter line anyway, the teams with a skilled keeper who can manage a short kick out will benefit. I think it might affect teams with keepers who don't have a keeper effective or shaky on short kick outs and will have to abandon any short kick out strategy and largely go long.

TheUsername (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 13:12:28    2052366

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As teams push up on the kick out more and more surely there shouldn't be the need to keep the mark rule?

Before the mark rule was introduced there were more teams pushing up at certain times and you'd imagine that'll happen a little bit more frequently with this rule so there should be no need to award frees for basic skills.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 13:16:27    2052369

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Good teams will use it to their advantage , no big deal really

hipster (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 13:29:03    2052374

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Replying To MesAmis:  "As teams push up on the kick out more and more surely there shouldn't be the need to keep the mark rule?

Before the mark rule was introduced there were more teams pushing up at certain times and you'd imagine that'll happen a little bit more frequently with this rule so there should be no need to award frees for basic skills."
I think the mark rule was also brought in to prevent guys who field a high ball from being swarmed by the opposition when they land and thus, giving away a free for over playing the ball. It's to help protect and reward high fielding midfielders so I doubt it will be changed.

HighKings (Meath) - 02/10/2017 14:01:39    2052398

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "How will it slow things down? They are trying to bring a bit of excitement back in to the kickouts, introducing the mark last year was part of this as well. Personally I hate seeing one kicked short to an unmarked back to be slowly hand passed up the field, yes its effective but its like watching paint dry in comparison to a well contested long kick.

It will probably favour the better teams that push up alright, and we will see lots of mistakes leading to scores. The goalkeeper, and having a good overall kickout strategy should become even more important. I think this is a good move but time will tell."
I think the issue with it is that if forced to midfield, the keeper will place the ball and wait for an option in midfield to become available before hoofing down the pitch. At present keepers can place the ball down quickly with one hand and tap it to a back who can begin driving up the pitch. Having all options available can't be a bad thing and will keep the teams spread, which is what we want for a spectacle.

Joxer (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 15:02:53    2052431

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Ridiculous rule to bring in.
who was pushing this burns I think the same guy who proclaimed the death of Gaelic football a few years ago and is an old school midfielder, the game had moved on from his day of lumping the ball as hard as you can from a kickout and hoping for the best, why anybody would want a return to that makes no sense.
it's not a spectacle as it takes away a skill from a goalkeeper to be able to accurately find a player. I'm surprised they don't propess having a throw up in the middle of the field after every score or wide as that's what they seem to want a 50 50 ball from kickouts, backwards step.
The game has evolved and goalkeepers have too, burns and co will next look to bring in a rule making all midfielders have to be over six foot tall the way there going.
midfield has improved massively to the stage where players of all shapes and sides now get played there if they are the best players not just because they are 6foot 6.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 17:00:14    2052481

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Replying To HighKings:  "I think the mark rule was also brought in to prevent guys who field a high ball from being swarmed by the opposition when they land and thus, giving away a free for over playing the ball. It's to help protect and reward high fielding midfielders so I doubt it will be changed."
Reward midfielders who just happen by no skill set to be born tall and have an advantage at catching a high ball, they don't reward any other position for doing their basic job do they? You don't see a goalkeeper who fields a high ball dropping in on goal get rewarded that's a lot more impressive if you have a couple of players baring down on goal, no surprise these guys pushing these rules seem to be as midfielders all six foot plus.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 02/10/2017 17:07:19    2052489

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Ridiculous rule to bring in.
who was pushing this burns I think the same guy who proclaimed the death of Gaelic football a few years ago and is an old school midfielder, the game had moved on from his day of lumping the ball as hard as you can from a kickout and hoping for the best, why anybody would want a return to that makes no sense.
it's not a spectacle as it takes away a skill from a goalkeeper to be able to accurately find a player. I'm surprised they don't propess having a throw up in the middle of the field after every score or wide as that's what they seem to want a 50 50 ball from kickouts, backwards step.
The game has evolved and goalkeepers have too, burns and co will next look to bring in a rule making all midfielders have to be over six foot tall the way there going.
midfield has improved massively to the stage where players of all shapes and sides now get played there if they are the best players not just because they are 6foot 6."
What it does introduce consistency - it's almost impossible for a referee to measure 13m. At least with a free the ref could step it out if needed but not with a kickout. So no more arguments. It won't make much difference other than no more arguments.

zinny (Wexford) - 02/10/2017 17:16:46    2052493

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