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Replying To GeniusGerry: "I like the interchange idea. Imagine if Mayo were able to swap Boyle and Moran in and out as required rather than having to take them off at 55 minutes. It could prolong the career of certain players which would surely help the teams with smaller panels." Imagine policing it at club level with one referee! Go to any 7s competition to see how interchange subs work in practice, its a mess. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/09/2017 19:34:24 2048738 Link
Replying To Laois76: "I've seen your Auntie Bridie play Poguemahone. Pretty nifty lady!" yep she's a bit of a Paul Galvin type player but with better fashion sense.... poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 20/09/2017 19:46:03 2048744 Link
Replying To belmay: "This is a list of guys that have been around the panel for a year or 2 surely we can get 6 subs and 1 or 2 starters out of them Eoin O'Donoghue, Donal Newcombe, Caolan Crowe Serooise Akram, Seamus Cunnife, Michael Hall, Michael Plunkett, Conor Loftus Stephen Coen Shane Nally Conor Loftus Mathew Ruane, Danny Kirby Adam Gallagher, Feargal Boland and Briam Reape Playing. Each of these guys need 2/3 FBD games and at a minimum 3 league games. Obviously not all at the same time but they all need serious game time and work put into them A lot of these guys have one minor and U21 finals and the remainder in the most part have played in Minor finals Counties need to develop there panels - 6 subs is here to stay with pace and physicality of the modern game. That is why 6 substitutions are available its not to benfit Dublin, its just that they have developed a huge panel." your going to lose older players out the other side as they'll start slowing or get more injury prone. Mayo had about 17-18 of the requisite standard on Sunday that's the most they've ever had. unlikely to ever have 21/22. The system needs to be changed back no reason why felllas can't last 70 min centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 22/09/2017 17:36:46 2049408 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Which teams did they burn off late in the game this year? They had every match bar the final won long before the subs had any impact" Burned of Mayo 2 Years ago with MDMA and Mcmenamon coming on.Last year with MDMA and Costello It depends what do you want do you want make it realistic for Mayo/Cork/Meath/Roscommon/Galway/Kildare/Ulster teams to compete or do you want Dublin and Kerry to completely dominate. Dublin win 4of last 7 U21s. Kerry won last 4 minor the 2 of them are likely to have way more depth than anyone else going forward centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 22/09/2017 17:51:52 2049414 Link
Maybe it's time to revert back to the 3 subs rule, at the moment if a team is losing by 1 or 2 points near full time they can throw on a few subs if they haven't already used them and the ref adds on an extra 20 seconds per sub on top of the added time, gives the losing team more time to get level, also the kick out rule has to be reverted, in the past if a wide happens the kick outs were taken from the edge of the small square, if a score happens the resulting kick out was taken from the 13m line, this more or less stopped the short kick outs. If your team uses the short kick outs you love it, if you are the opposing team you hate it, as for the neutrals most I would say hate it, the mark was meant to encourage long kick outs but in honestly it only happens a few times in a game, go back to the old rules of kick outs and 3 subs, it worked for over 100 years there was no need to change it (6 subs is too much) riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 23/09/2017 23:11:00 2049779 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Maybe it's time to revert back to the 3 subs rule, at the moment if a team is losing by 1 or 2 points near full time they can throw on a few subs if they haven't already used them and the ref adds on an extra 20 seconds per sub on top of the added time, gives the losing team more time to get level, also the kick out rule has to be reverted, in the past if a wide happens the kick outs were taken from the edge of the small square, if a score happens the resulting kick out was taken from the 13m line, this more or less stopped the short kick outs. If your team uses the short kick outs you love it, if you are the opposing team you hate it, as for the neutrals most I would say hate it, the mark was meant to encourage long kick outs but in honestly it only happens a few times in a game, go back to the old rules of kick outs and 3 subs, it worked for over 100 years there was no need to change it (6 subs is too much)" Used it be only one sub allowed going back 40 odd years ago? And ya I'd totally agree with you going back to 3 subs and the old kickouts as well, also the black card is not fit for purpose, a sin bin would be away better and wouldn't be hard to administer in fairness also take the time keeping off the reff and bring in a buzzer. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/09/2017 23:56:25 2049787 Link
Replying To centerfield: "your going to lose older players out the other side as they'll start slowing or get more injury prone. Mayo had about 17-18 of the requisite standard on Sunday that's the most they've ever had. unlikely to ever have 21/22. The system needs to be changed back no reason why felllas can't last 70 min" Just a point about going potentially going back to 3 subs. Firstly, while I accept that having 6 subs suits the likes of Dublin or Kerry more than a lot of other counties, because of the depth of their panels currently, the 6 subs rule helps in a lot of other ways too. Take Mayo for example, two of their best players all year were Boyle and Moran, but they were both taken off in almost every game they played, simply because of fatigue or miles on the legs or whatever way you want to put it. There is no doubting however that Mayo are a much better team because they can use these players for even 45 or 50 minutes. If Rochford knew he could only use three subs per game, could he have afforded to tie two of them up knowing they would have to be used to replace Andy Moran and Boyle in every game, or would the effect be that the older players would have to be sacrificed from the team to make sure he would have full use of his bench in case of injuries, tactical switches etc. AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 24/09/2017 13:55:12 2049872 Link
Replying To Adamski: "Is this for real. My god what next. Blindfold cluxton. Dublin players to be only allowed to kick at the goals from 60 metres out, maybe they should be only allowed 1 attempt at a goal per game, give the opposition a 15 point start. Best thing would be to bring this to Colm O' Rourkes attention and he can get it brought up for discussion on the Sunday Game next year." You've missed the point completely. Where is anyone advocating only handicapping Dublin? essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 24/09/2017 15:28:13 2049894 Link
Unless it's for an obvious injury, I'd also ban all time-wasting substitutions in the last 5 minutes and added time. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 24/09/2017 15:35:53 2049897 Link
Replying To essmac: "Unless it's for an obvious injury, I'd also ban all time-wasting substitutions in the last 5 minutes and added time." very good idea valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 24/09/2017 20:08:27 2050004 Link
Someone should bring a motion at congress to return back to 3 subs. That way teams need 18 players of the requisite standard and the Dubs cant hold fellas on the sideline to burn teams off centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 06/09/2018 19:05:39 2139921 Link
Someone should bring a motion at congress to return back to 3 subs. That way teams need 18 players of the requisite standard and the Dubs cant hold fellas on the sideline to burn teams off centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 220 - 06/09/2018 19:05:39 The game has evolved. Going back to 3 subs would be backwards step. Teams would still need far more than 18 players of the "requisite standard". Dublin and Kerry and many other counties would still have lots of players on sideline to burn teams off but they just wouldnt be able to use them and this would affect the weaker counties as much so how does it help them? DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 06/09/2018 19:57:12 2139942 Link
Yep, lets change absolutely everything so Dublin can't win. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 06/09/2018 21:10:29 2139953 Link
Replying To realdub: "Yep, lets change absolutely everything so Dublin can't win." no lets just change it back to the way it used to be (3 subs) centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 06/09/2018 21:41:11 2139960 Link
Replying To DonaldDuck: "Someone should bring a motion at congress to return back to 3 subs. That way teams need 18 players of the requisite standard and the Dubs cant hold fellas on the sideline to burn teams off centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 220 - 06/09/2018 19:05:39 The game has evolved. Going back to 3 subs would be backwards step. Teams would still need far more than 18 players of the "requisite standard". Dublin and Kerry and many other counties would still have lots of players on sideline to burn teams off but they just wouldnt be able to use them and this would affect the weaker counties as much so how does it help them?" it helps the weaker teams because the likes of the Dubs cant say to lads. run yourselves into the ground for 40-50 minutes. then we'll bring on 6 fresh lads of the same standard. almost every other county will struggle to have 15 good enough, so when they go down into their bench there is a big drop off in standard creating a bigger mismatch in the DUbs in the last quarter. on Sunday if it was 3 substitutions that would have meant they only had 2 left after Cian OSullivan went off centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 06/09/2018 21:57:14 2139970 Link
There are some utterly ridiculous statements on this thread. One person reckons banning time wasting sub's in the last 5 mins. Who decides what's tactical and what's just timewasting? Reduce to 3 sub's? Anyone consider the knock on effect this would have on numbers playing in clubs and at underage level? In fact I'd increase to 10 sub's for all club underage matches and increase to 8 sub's for senior intercounty hurling and football, but I'd also increase playing time to 40 mins per half. 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 06/09/2018 22:34:57 2139978 Link
Replying To centerfield: "no lets just change it back to the way it used to be (3 subs)" Having 3 subs (including black cards) would effectively mean you'd have to hold off on making substitutes in case of injuries or black cards - there should also be a 10 min limit on blood subs/ concussion subs also. That would force teams to kick the ball and do a lot less running. Dublin would probably still win because they are fitter and the best kick passing team around but at least we would see less handpassing and blanket defenses. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 06/09/2018 23:16:29 2139990 Link
Replying To DonaldDuck: "Someone should bring a motion at congress to return back to 3 subs. That way teams need 18 players of the requisite standard and the Dubs cant hold fellas on the sideline to burn teams off centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 220 - 06/09/2018 19:05:39 The game has evolved. Going back to 3 subs would be backwards step. Teams would still need far more than 18 players of the "requisite standard". Dublin and Kerry and many other counties would still have lots of players on sideline to burn teams off but they just wouldnt be able to use them and this would affect the weaker counties as much so how does it help them?" The logic of your post is a bit difficult to follow neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 06/09/2018 23:25:54 2139993 Link
"allowing teams to have 6 subs clearly plays into the hands of the Dubs." what utter nonsense. More anti-dub nonsense. Yeah lets split them in four, take their hard earned money off them, kick them out of Leinster, ban them from Gaelic football for ten years and allow the rest to catch up blah blah blah and now reduce the number of subs to three. I got an even better idea how about allowing Dublin NO subs and the rest say ten? and you know what? it will make no difference. Sport is unfair - these arguments are so sadly deluded! they cannot tell the difference between unfair and unequal. Unequal is an acceptance the runner A is faster than runner B and allowing runner B start 10 secs before A is not making them equal it is NOT even a race! Unfair is different and that is what you focus on. Reducing subs to 3 is mindless, pointless and will make a sterile game even more sterile. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 07/09/2018 00:01:32 2140000 Link
Replying To realdub: "Yep, lets change absolutely everything so Dublin can't win." As opposed to the 2004 motto; "Let's absolutely change everything to ensure Dublin win absolutely everything" cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5009 - 07/09/2018 03:39:07 2140008 Link