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There was a second hurling team competing called Fingal and not a word of protest or dissent about it remarkably, I suppose it goes to show the level of thinking towards hurling in the capitol, I'd say the hurlers could have five or six teams out and no one could give a monkeys but try it with the footballers and you risk a public flogging.
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 19/09/2017 20:30:43 2048267 Link 0 |
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Look livespuds all their best young hurlers like Con, Keaney and several others all opt for football first anyway.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 19/09/2017 21:10:21 2048287 Link 0 |
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I dont believe O Rourke was specifically talking about spliting Dublin, he was (IMO) talking more about fielding a second team. You cant split Dublin GAA up its a really difficult thing to do. Fielding two teams is possible but the current Inter county structures dont allow for it and it couldnt happen at local level. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 19/09/2017 21:14:25 2048290 Link 0 |
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Arock I believe oRourke is upping the ante here. He sees all the Dubs moving to Meath. Like he has seen Meath people moving to Dublin. Only difference been the Dubs in Meath rear their kids as Dubs!!! theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 19/09/2017 21:36:29 2048303 Link 0 |
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I'd say in the Montrose car park on Sunday night the only splitting in two was going to be done by Ciaran Whelan on Colm O'Rourke! Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 19/09/2017 21:48:30 2048314 Link 0 |
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It's a nice idea in theory, but could you imagine Dublin fielding a good young team in the championship or league then when they are blooded bring them in to an A team. That surely only makes Dublin stronger. What if their are injuries, suspensions etc. Equally what if Dublin become unsuccessful again to they just revert back to one team etc. The one thing that is contradictary to O'Roukes point is, has there be any other county that has given more of an oppurtuinity to new player or younger players then Dublin at the highest level? Look at the evolution of the team since 2011 - 2017. Surely that is the point. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/09/2017 21:58:45 2048322 Link 0 |
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Wouldn't take much heed of O'Rourke, splitting Dublin into 2, 4 or 20 may be the only way Meath will beat them, pay him better to throw his hat into the ring for the Meath manager job when it comes up next time around, very easy being the hurler on the ditch, every county wants to beat the best and by splitting counties won't bring much satisfaction, put a decent plan in place to bring up the standard of weaker counties within the next 10 years riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 19/09/2017 22:29:47 2048339 Link 0 |
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The idea should not be to split Dublin but to merge other counties. The all-Ireland should be a 12 team competition or perhaps 8. A super 8 consisting of merged counties consisting of enough playing subset of players to make it competitive. 1) Louth Meath Westmeath, 2) wicklow carlow laois and offaly, 3 Donegal Derry, 4 Kerry Cork, etc....... It's amazing how simple it would be to un bias what is currently an extremely biased competition. Something as simple as adding a quarter final to the all-ireland series has stopped Kerry march to a few titles every decade. Removing the population/ playing subset bias will bring an inevitable end to Dublins march to titles in future and therefore making it more competitive. To be honest the football was shocking until it was saved by an excellent final. The structures are so badly biased and skewed it's bordering on crazy. In fairness anyone looking in from outside would see that we run a crazy all ireland series which advantages stacked heavily in certain teams favor. Time to create a football championship for the future and be glad of what went before! The current system in on the road to failure. Change inevitable. quicksand (Down) - Posts: 7 - 19/09/2017 23:23:22 2048369 Link 0 |
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Apart from Dublin I don't see splitting other counties being on the agenda for some time as Dublin's population is so much bigger than all others. If Dublin was split the next thing in this line could more likely be smaller populated counties fielding amalgamated teams in senior championship. I remember seeing a newspaper interview with Liam Muvilhill 10 or 15 years ago where he mentioned that he could see this eventually happening. I have also heard it suggested that an Ulster hurling team competing in the championship would promote hurling in Ulster (I'm guessing Antrim would hate this). GAA competitions don't always stick to a rigid structure, I know Kerry for one have not stuck to a rigid traditional competition structure for their club championships, originally I think Tralee had 1 club which the county board insisted be divided into 3 separate clubs and junior/ intermediate club's in an area are allowed to field an amalgamated team (divisional teams I think they are called) in their senior club championship. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 19/09/2017 23:35:25 2048376 Link 0 |
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Sure that's the answer. Ye can merge with Antrim for example. I'm sure the great GAA people of Down and Antrim will be only delighted to shout for the amalgamation safe in the knowledge that they'll soon be in the Super 8. Or will it be a Super 3 plus 5x 2s or a combination of actual 'counties' plus some amalgamations. They could rebrand it as the All Ireland inter-countyish football championship. Throw the whole pride in the county jersey ideal out the window, sure it was a bit old-fashioned anyway. Maybe get the GAA to let teams have 18 players for games against them big bad Dubs just to give everyone a chance. Sure why bother trying to get to their level when you can whinge and come up with a load of quick-fixes because it's just not fair.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 20/09/2017 01:33:11 2048393 Link 0 |
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That's been happening for years in reverse in Dublin. Go to any GAA club in Dublin and you'll see kids in the jersey's of their parents' counties. A load of Dubs have two or even three counties that they support! The Dubs are obviously number one but they'll always retain a fondness for their parents' county/counties. The same thing should happen in Meath and Kildare etc. At the moment it probably looks worse than it is because Dublin are being successful whereas those two counties are struggling, although Kildare are improving. Kids as they become teenagers should naturally gravitate towards their own county of origin. Maybe some won't but the vast majority will. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 20/09/2017 08:27:55 2048413 Link 0 |
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I think it will do more harm than good but Colm O Rourke and Brolly seem to favour splitting the Dublin football team into 3 or 4, if Mayo had won would they still be for it? suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 20/09/2017 10:09:33 2048442 Link 0 |
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Listen back to Off The Ball from yesterday evening, good discussion about all this in the first hour. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 20/09/2017 12:13:22 2048508 Link 0 |
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Biggest worry was the comments by former GAA President Sean Kelly that the GAA needs a strong Dublin team because it has to compete with soccer and rugby, asked why Dublin get 7 times more funding than Cork even though they both have nearly the same amount of insured players that is club players, the response was the same. He wouldn't accept that the GAA have created a machine with Dublin GAA or that giving massive funding to 1 county creates a major disadvantage within Leinster and then nationally. Worryingly there appears to be an appetite within the top brass of the GAA for the machine to win a large amount of All Ireland titles and therefore build up the profile of the GAA in the capital, the question that has to be asked is how far will the GAA go for this plan to work? Will they continue to keep giving massive funding to the machine while ignoring the plight of their neighbours in Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow who should also have a large population boom? Will the GAA influence match officials to get the correct result? Do the GAA want counties outside of Dublin and Kerry to win All Ireland football titles? In my opinion the best period for the GAA was between 1988 and 2005, we has a large number of counties that won All Ireland titles from Cork, Meath, Donegal, Derry, Down, Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Tyrone, Armagh, since 2006 up to today the standard of teams is stronger the titles are played mainly by the top 5 or 6 consisting of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Cork (that was up to 2011), other counties feel they haven't a chance and is no coincidence that Dublin started getting massive funding 15 years ago and now at the top of the pile
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 20/09/2017 22:33:04 2048816 Link 0 |
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If they split Dublin then as a Dub I think they should force other counties to amalgamate. Maurice (Dublin) - Posts: 22 - 20/09/2017 22:33:07 2048817 Link 0 |
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I did not realise it was that much of a difference (7 times as much as Cork). While that is far too much of a difference I would agree that the GAA has to make a bigger effort in Dublin than elsewhere as with their population Dublin has the most potential to grow participation rates in the games over anywhere else in the country (as Dublin have a greater population and traditionally many of these play/ interested in rugby and soccer over GAA).
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 20/09/2017 23:50:11 2048840 Link 0 |
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Yeah. Actually I think focusing on this nonsense of splitting Dublin is taking away from the real issue, which is the disparity in funding
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/09/2017 08:08:10 2048862 Link 0 |
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That is because if you were good enough you played for Dublin not Fingal which would not be the case if Dublin football was split up
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 21/09/2017 08:22:09 2048868 Link 0 |
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Having read through the post it just baffles me how people say to split up Dublin. There has been recent success but why punish a county for being successful? People bang on about population etc. The current population of Dublin is 1,345,402. Admittedly I do not have exact figures but a sizable portion of that are people not from Dublin or even Ireland or do not have any interest in GAA at all. As a result, spouting population as the sole reason is completely wrong. Yes we do have a large population playing GAA, but answer me this? How many rugby clubs are in Mayo, Kerry, Kildare, Meath and the likes? Dublin has in the region of 40 rugby clubs and god knows how many soccer clubs. Even the number of League of Ireland clubs can attract in the region of 6,000 spread over the city on any Friday night. We battle other sports like no other county has to contend with. Yes other counties have other sports of course but nothing like Dublin. We battle with other sports over the hearts of minds of young lads all over the city and county. Have we been lucky with funding? Of course we have but what we have been is clever with the money we've been given. Coaching, coaching, coaching, coaching.... That's the recipe for success. We targeted young lads north and south of the Liffey and we're reaping rewards. Maurice (Dublin) - Posts: 22 - 21/09/2017 09:58:27 2048890 Link 1 |
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I can understand peoples frustration when they see Dublin doing so well. The solution however in splitting Dublin really is a non-runner. What they should be talking about is giving better funding to the less successful counties, putting coaching structures in place for younger kids and helping them to develop as players.It has about as much merit as amalgamating the less successful teams when you talk about splitting Dublin. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 21/09/2017 11:13:22 2048931 Link 0 |