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Replying To Laois76: "That's bull. If you're playing with a club in Meath you can't play inter county with Dublin." John O Loughlin is playing club football in Dublin so should he not be allowed play for Laois ?
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Replying To cuchulainn35: "Laois76
You can play club football/hurling in one county and declare allegiance for another, there are examples of this - if you were originally born in the other county ( which would be most of meath) if a parent was from that county..." My brother's young lad was stopped from hurling in Kilkenny even though his mam is from there. The parish you're born.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 18/09/2017 13:37:22
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Replying To dubshurling7: "John O Loughlin is playing club football in Dublin so should he not be allowed play for Laois ?" I'll qualify that. If underage. Not living working there. The argument the Meath poster is making is losing underage players to Dublin.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 18/09/2017 13:40:21
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Replying To footballfirst: "No mention either of the black that AOS should have got or the lineball at the end that led to COCs free.There was missed calls both ways.
The free wasn't awarded when the 2 collided but rather when keegan stupidly fouled. As regards the penalty incident i'd like a ref to clear this one up. The 1st foul was outside and advantage was being played. However he was fouled again so which is it; the 1st or the 2nd foul ? Any ref care to call it ?" Free may be awarded for the foul during the advantage - if it is inside the square it is a penalty.
Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 18/09/2017 14:03:23
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Replying To Laois76: "Complaining abt losing Mick Deegan's son. Fact is ye have a population to be competitive but are whining.
You might aswell bow. Ye're getting used to bowing and bending the knee." You made a statement and you were wrong, I used the Deegan situation to highlight you were wrong, didn't complain about losing him once
Regarding population see my previous post it is relatively easy to understand my opinion.
As regards getting used to bowing the knee we have a lot of faults in our county, I have acknowledged then in the past, your county are very sadly in Division 4 so it would seem your knee is far more exercised than mine
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 18/09/2017 14:08:34
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Replying To Mobot: "I'd be annoyed too if I were a Dublin supporter. It turned into a bit of a farce. I do think O'Rourke was making a little sense but Brolly ruined the point he was trying to make. I could be wrong but I don't think O'Rourke meant spilting Dublin into 2 or 3 etc but that because Dublin have got their house in order and are producing so many top quality players that they could have more than one team. There are so many young players in Dublin that will never get a chance to play county football but as O'Rourke said this would have to come from Dublin themselves. It would improve Dublin even more in the long run. Personally I hope this never happens because it's hard enough trying to compete with one Dublin team never mind multiple teams and the thought of an all Dublin leinster or all ireland finals probably wouldn't appeal to the nation as much as a Dublin v Mayo or Kerry final etc." Strategic debate about future of GAA needs to be had but that was neither the time or the place. Fair play to Dubs. Well deserving winners.
Maybe breaking up big centres of population will happen long term but for now maybe other counties should look to copy their structures instead of moaning. Not all organisational improvement in counties has to cost money. For those that do I'd imagine there may be funds available from Croke Park if a professional well thought out plan is produced.
From what I can see the GAA is a pure contradiction. Amateur players behaving professionally and professional administrators behaving amateurishly! Not all counties but a lot could do more to help themselves.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 18/09/2017 14:19:56
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Replying To baire: "What happened afterwards was good tackling from Mayo players, over carrying and it should have been a free out." No, disagree. Mayo players fouled when there was probably no need to. Player was going down anyway. They could have eased back and still got the turnover.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 18/09/2017 14:22:11
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Replying To Laois76: "I'll qualify that. If underage. Not living working there. The argument the Meath poster is making is losing underage players to Dublin." Deegan is born in Dublin and playing underage football in Dublin before his family moved to Meath . How can this even be a topic he was never in a Meath underage county system.
dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 18/09/2017 14:22:34
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There should be no dismantling of dublin county but there should be parity of resources for smaller counties. This is not about handicapping Dublin, it is about bringing them back down to reality the same way we all got a reality check 10 years ago when the economic bubble burst. It is a false economy and it has been an elephant in the room for some time now.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/09/2017 14:30:35
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Replying To dubshurling7: "Deegan is born in Dublin and playing underage football in Dublin before his family moved to Meath . How can this even be a topic he was never in a Meath underage county system." No and now he's in no county system, he is only one example of a player who could, and I emphasise could, have tried his hand with Meath when Dublin didn't work out. This is my point Meath are not benefitting from a population increase and won't for some years yet, it's a generational thing that needs to work itself out, many of the "new youth" do not want to play for Meath and many aren't being encouraged too either when the Dublin dream doesn't materialise
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 18/09/2017 14:49:23
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To be fair to O Rourke I don't think he's advocating splitting Dublin on geographical terms.
Nor should that even be a topic for discussion, there should be no talk of splitting the county on the basis of geography. I do however see the merits of a 2nd team in dublin though, call it a b team or whatever you want to call it.
For example if a Dublin B or reserve team was in place for even the national league starting down at division 4 it would be of huge advantage to Dublin Gaa in general. There is a huge pool of talented players playing club football in Dublin who will never get the chance of playing for the senior dublin team. Surely if they had a second team operating in the league for example all of that pool of talent gets a chance to play at senior intercounty level and who knows what gems might be sprung from that team?
Actually no scrap that, forget I said anything Dublin are strong enough without having a second team flying up the leagues developing even more players :)
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 18/09/2017 14:55:38
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Replying To Adamski: "I decided to watch the Sunday Game last night and to be honest I couldn't believe the route it went at the end. After showing the game and picking MOTM, Player and Team of the Year it then degenerated into a debate about breaking up Dublin. It is hard to believe that on a night when a team achieved a three in a row that we were subjected to a debate of this nature with the main protagonists being Colm O' Rourke and Joe Brolly. IF it is a debate that will need to be held sometime in the future so be it but last night was not the time for it and to be honest O' Rourke is using the argument about young players in Dublin not getting to play for the county due to the population as his main point. In my opinion this is because for all his outward praise of Dublin he begrudges them their winning run over the last 6 years. The county of Meath has never been as highly populated and look at their performance in the last decade and a half at inter-county level. Have they and other counties got their house in order, no so rather than praise the best we know want to look at taking them apart for the good of the game. Come on Colm, if that it what top level sport is about we are going no where. Why not get Michael Phelps to start his races, two seconds behind his competitors or put weights around Usain Bolt's ankles or have Lionel Messi prohibited from kicking the ball with his left foot. Brolly just is a parody of himself and has no consistency in anything he says. Then it proceeded to Kevin McStay going back to Dublin playing at home and the advantage they can from this, absolutely shocking stuff. You had the Dublin team, management, back room, friends and family in a hotel celebrating a three in a row and we had this utter garbage at the end of the sunday game and even as infuriating was the likes of Tomas O Shea,the Gooch and Co. were constantly talked over by the old brigade." silly yes and i wouldn't be breaking up dublin,but surely they must cut some of the funding?
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:07:42
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Replying To Mobot: "I'd be annoyed too if I were a Dublin supporter. It turned into a bit of a farce. I do think O'Rourke was making a little sense but Brolly ruined the point he was trying to make. I could be wrong but I don't think O'Rourke meant spilting Dublin into 2 or 3 etc but that because Dublin have got their house in order and are producing so many top quality players that they could have more than one team. There are so many young players in Dublin that will never get a chance to play county football but as O'Rourke said this would have to come from Dublin themselves. It would improve Dublin even more in the long run. Personally I hope this never happens because it's hard enough trying to compete with one Dublin team never mind multiple teams and the thought of an all Dublin leinster or all ireland finals probably wouldn't appeal to the nation as much as a Dublin v Mayo or Kerry final etc." spot on,it would be a disaster tbh and does anybody(dub or not) want to see that?
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:09:53
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Replying To Adamski: "I don't believe O Rourke is advocating anything other than splitting them and it is not that he wants to see them improve. Let's be honest no meath man wants to do anything that would improve Dublin. At this stage they have had their fill of looking at this Dublin team winning all-irelands. I live in meath and am 100% sure of this. Anyway I don't disrespect your comments and possibly you could be correct but there is a time and place for this discussion and last night it was not it. If mayo had got home by a point this would not have even come up for discussion." haha you are right to be fair.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:10:35
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Replying To Laois76: "That's bull. If you're playing with a club in Meath you can't play inter county with Dublin." not true.......
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:12:39
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Replying To cuchulainn35: "Laois76
You can play club football/hurling in one county and declare allegiance for another, there are examples of this - if you were originally born in the other county ( which would be most of meath) if a parent was from that county..." the rule needs to change. alot of kids been raised in meath and developed in meath clubs are wearing dublin kits. if they go on and are good enough the parents want them to play for the dubs dev squads. but if your kids are raised in meath that is were the kids are from and playing for those clubs means they should be available for meath. that is what the gaa is supposed to be..
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:21:10
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Replying To dubshurling7: "John O Loughlin is playing club football in Dublin so should he not be allowed play for Laois ?" he wasn't developed there as a kid or brought up in dublin so a bit different..
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:25:16
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Replying To Laois76: "I'll qualify that. If underage. Not living working there. The argument the Meath poster is making is losing underage players to Dublin." well yes this should not be allowed. sadly it will get worse imo from what i see in my own club. it is a serious problem.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:27:23
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Replying To dubshurling7: "Deegan is born in Dublin and playing underage football in Dublin before his family moved to Meath . How can this even be a topic he was never in a Meath underage county system." agreed this is different. but you imagine young players in the meath club academies right up true to u13,and then going into the dublin dev squad? that should not be allowed.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/09/2017 15:32:14
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Replying To Richieq: "No and now he's in no county system, he is only one example of a player who could, and I emphasise could, have tried his hand with Meath when Dublin didn't work out. This is my point Meath are not benefitting from a population increase and won't for some years yet, it's a generational thing that needs to work itself out, many of the "new youth" do not want to play for Meath and many aren't being encouraged too either when the Dublin dream doesn't materialise" What about Stuart Lowdnes from Peregrine's Meath benefited from him joining a Meath club although he played underage for Dublin and all his club football in Dublin.
Deegan was on the Dublin u21's over last few years has always considered himself a Dub.
dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 18/09/2017 15:39:56
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