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Its actually the opposite. Great teams need great rivals. Hence Dublin / Kerry 1970's, Meath / Cork 1980's, Tyrone / Kerry 2000's and now Dublin / Mayo. Dublin's three in a row in the era of the backdoor and playing more games is certainly a better achievement than the four in a row achieved by a Kerry team who played only three/four games a year. One only hopes that this great Mayo could win a title next year that their efforts deserve
Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 19/09/2017 13:00:27
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Replying To Mailman98: "Let's all get real here. This is a perfectly valid thread. In the last 2 finals Dublin have beaten a team with no All-ireland win for 66 years, a team who have been beaten by a very weak Galway team the last 2 years, a team who have now been proven to be unable to get over the line in an all-ireland final, a team with one recognised forward who is too old to play a full game, a team who would be nowhere near a final but for the fact Tyrone, Kerry, Galway, Donegal et al are in the middle of their weakest periods for 20 years. Mayo have been blessed to have a decent team while the rest are away but there is no way this Dublin team would have won 3 in a row in any other era. If anything they should now have 5 in a row and still it wouldn't be remarkable such is the weakness of the rest of the counties especially in Leinster." Dublin have been winning since 2011. During this time, the greatest team to have emerged from Donegal was at it's peak and the greatest team from Connaught, IMO, has been at it's peak. We were told before the semi this year that Tyrone had put together one of the greatest Tyrone teams ever. This current Dublin team has only been beaten once in about 42 league and championship games in an era where the back door exists. Their success is unparalleled. They are without question one of the greatest, or the greatest, panel to ever play the game.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2017 15:41:18
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Replying To Pericles: "The demise of Donegal has certainly reduced the number of genuine contenders, no doubt about that. Tyrone's lack of belief was a shock to me, as their recent tradition is a side who are difficult and who make any opponent earn a result. This is the first year doubts have been aired about Kerry's capabilities, and this is purely on the back of the semifinals, which showed that they hadn't progressed since last year, while Dublin and Mayo measurably did improve. Your remark about Andy being Mayo's best at 33 is undeniable, but should we drop him because of age? The rest of your post is just churlish and based on conjecture rather than facts, stats or anything other than your opinion, to which you're obviously more than entitled. The game has changed so much in the last decade that a lot of noughties icons wouldn't make the Kerry or Tyrone teams now because they wouldn't have the mobility and couldn't tackle their mothers. For example, our own Mort, whatever you think of him, was as decent a scoring corner forward as was about in that decade but he didn't transition when the game changed, partly because of attitude, but also because he wasn't built for it and wasn't aggressive enough. The modern game is made for latter day Michael Donnellan types, while the best forward of the modern era Gooch, didn't fancy a couple more years of chasing Philly McMahon, instead of embellishing games with his skills. That more teams aren't competitive with Dublin is something the Dubs can't fix, but the idea that they can't be beaten is rubbish despite their high standards of skills and execution. Of the also rans only Kildare are showing some genuine intention to try and bridge the gap instead of cribbing about it. Cork could also resurrect themselves, as they have the raw materials. Everyone else seems to be at sea and lacking the belief even with a fair degree of talent. Galway would fall into that category right now, but could develop." My point about Andy Moran is this; if he's Mayo's best forward and he can't manage 70 minutes then surely Mayo are not great.
Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 19/09/2017 15:59:30
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Replying To Joxer: "Dublin have been winning since 2011. During this time, the greatest team to have emerged from Donegal was at it's peak and the greatest team from Connaught, IMO, has been at it's peak. We were told before the semi this year that Tyrone had put together one of the greatest Tyrone teams ever. This current Dublin team has only been beaten once in about 42 league and championship games in an era where the back door exists. Their success is unparalleled. They are without question one of the greatest, or the greatest, panel to ever play the game." The thread is about the 3 in a row. "The greatest team to have emerged from Donegal" (they've only had 2 decent teams) were well past their best by the time the 3 in a row started. "The greatest team from Connaught" have only won one Connacht title during the Dublin 3 in a row years. Galway won a 3 in a row of All-Irelands in the days when if you were beaten you were out so I doubt a Mayo team with one Connacht title in 3 years is better than a Galway team with 3 all irelands in 3 years. I'm not sure if you are aware of the Galway team that won Sam in 1998 and 2001 but if you are I'd like you to tell me how many of the Mayo forwards last Sunday would have got on those Galway teams. I'll give you a clue; he's 34 and he would probably have got in ahead of Shay Walsh in 1998 and Tommy Joyce in 2001. Don't forget we had 3 free takers in 98 and 2 in 2001 so don't even think of including Cillian. A few of the Mayo backs might have got on those Galway teams but they'd have had some battle edging out Thomas Mannion, Sean De Paor, Gary Fahy and Declan Meehan. Kevin Walsh in midfield wasn't too bad either.
Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 19/09/2017 16:18:06
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This is a bizarre thread. There is no such thing as a "tarnished" all Ireland medal. This Mayo team of the past couple of years are one of the best to have played the game. Dublin have had to push themselves to their limits to beat them and should be applauded for winning tight games. Forget about Mayo teams from 10, 20 years ago. These are no relevant to this argument.
pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 19/09/2017 17:18:18
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Replying To Lifford Gael: "Does the fact that 2 of Dublins victories in their 3 in a row success came against Mayo tarnish what would otherwise be a great achievement? Discuss!" What a bitter opening post.
Wise up and respect your fellow sportspersons. Or did you ever kick a ball?
CrubeenBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 28 - 19/09/2017 18:38:54
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Firstly Congratulations to the Dubs. Dublin are the team of the decade. One of the All time great teams. Their achievements will go down in the history books. They are a credit to their county and clubs. This is a golden era for Dublin football.
However there those seem to be allot of people trying to rewrite history and downplay Kerrys 75 to 86 achievements. In order to prove Dublin are the best. I think allot of supporters who started following the game in the last 10 or 15 years are pushing this idea that Dublin are the greatest. They probaly dont know the achievements of Down or past Cavan teams. And never heard of Downs Sean O Neill or Cavans Higgins.
However the facts do not back this up. By saying the facts is not downgrading Dublins wins. They have achieved greatness. But facts are facts.
1 Kerry team of 70s and 80s. Did three great things 1 Win All.Ireland in 1975 with one of the youngest teams ever to win Sam ? by beating one of the greatest teams ever..2 They won a 4 in a row between 78 to 81. 3 They won 3 in a row 84 85 86.
They also had some of the greatest players of all time playing in their chosen positions. This Dublin team have one player playing that could be said to be the best ever in his position. Eg Stephen Cluxton is the greatest goalkeeper ever. Kerry had Jack O Se the greatest midfielder ever and possibly the greatest footballer ever. They had Pat Spillane the greatest number 12 in the history of the game . And Mickey Sheedy the greatest number 15 in the history of the game. They also had Paudi O Se possibly the greatest number 5 ever. While John O Keefe Ogie Moran Ger Power John Egan Bomber Liston are some of the greatest players of the modern era.
Kerry had to face tougher opposition then Dublin. Kerry had to beat one of the greatest teams ever, the Dublin team 74 -77. This Dublin have not faced an All time great team. That is a fact. Also every year Kerry faced an excellent Cork team who were a top Division 1 team and where regularly in the top 3 in country. Dublin have not had to face top Division 1 team in their provience since the early noughties. Also in ther 70s you had very good Meath and Armagh teams.
In the west you had a brillant Roscomon team ,one of the greatst teams to come west of the Shannon in the last 50 years. A brillant defence backboned by the Great Harry Keegan and at midfield one of the greatest talent to ever cross the Shannon , the late great Dermot Earley senior. That Roscomon team won 5 Connachts and Roscommons first league and gave the greatest team ever one of their toughest finals. You also had a brillant Offaly team led by the most naturally talented footballer ever, Matt Connor. Offaly 82 was a brillant team. In the mid 80s Tyrone and Monaghan had two excellent teams. Which in any other era would have won an All Ireland. The Monaghan team 85 is Monaghans greatest team ever. And the Tyrone 84- 86 was up to that point Tyrone greatst team ever led by warriors like Donaghy John Lynch Eugene McKenna and Frank McGuigan. That team was a much superior outfit to the current Tyrone team. Would any current footballer be as brillant as the great Frank McGuigan.
In comparison Dublin have been great but so many counties are hitting record low levels.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 19/09/2017 18:43:23
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The province of leinster is at an all time low. Never in the history of leinster football has a team had to face no rival or no Division 1 top teams. Dublin had Kildare in the 20s. Meath had Louth in 40s and 50s. Meath had Offaly in the 60s. Dublin had Meath and Offaly in the 70s and 80s. Meath had Dublin in the 80s and 90s..And in the golden age of leinster football between 1995 and 2005 you had top Meath Dublin Kildare Offaly loais Westmeath Wexford and Louth teams. All were Division 1 teams
In this decade . For the first time ever in the history of leinster football the top team in the province have no opposition. Have no rival top Division 1 opponent to face in the provience. So it is true to say Dublin have the easiest leinster championship to deal with ever. Imagine if you had teams of the late 90s eg Kildare Offaly and Meath around at the moment. Surely Dublin wouldn't be winning All their matchs by 15 or 20 points. Maybe they might even lose 1 or 2.
Actually Dublin are the only All Ireland winners of the last 70 years that don't have Division 1 team / a top team in their province. In the early 90s 3 of the best 4 teams in the country were in Ulster eg Derry Donegal and Down. Imagine if kerry Mayo and Dublin were in the same provience. That's what a Down faced between 91 and 94.
Also at the moment so many strong teams are going through in recent years their worst time in decades
1 Meath This decade so far is Meaths worst by a mile since 1930s
2 Kildare before this season where at their lowest since before the Dwyer years.
3 Laois a div 4 team are at their lowest level now since 1970s.
4 Offaly football are their lowest since they emerged in the early 60s
5 Armagh showed promise this year. But are now 3 of 4 seasons in div 3. Which would mean they are at their lowest since early 70s
6 Down showed a bit promise this year but in the last few year's had record number of defeats which means you could say Down are at their lowest since 1950s. No Ulster title for Down in quater of a century.
7 Derry are div 3 team next year. A county at lowest ebb for years
8 Cork are the weakest ever in the modern era. You have to go back the 1940s or 1950s when Cork where been beaten by Tipp. And Cork were not given any real opposition to Kerry and Cork were not top divsion 1 team.
9 Galway have shown some promise. But the fact is Galway have not won a match in the championship in Croker in 17 years. That is extraordinary for gaelic football third most sucessful county.
So many counties are going through a bad time. This means the competition is weaker.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 19/09/2017 19:04:17
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In terms of the top teams Dublin face. There are question marks
Dublin have no real rival,an All time great rival. For example Kerry team of the 70s had to face one of the greatest teams ever eg Dublin 74 to 77
Meath 80s had to face the greatest Cork team ever. Tyrone of 00s had to face a 5 time great All Ireland winning kerry team. Dublin have not faced any sort of the above opposition. What sort of opposition is that. Simply a multiple All Ireland winning team. Dublin are one of the fews teams in the last 50 years that have had to face no team that had multiple All Irelands. Actually Dublin are the only team to have dominated gaelic football with no multiple All Ireland winning team in the same era. Kerry had to face Tyrone in the noughties. Kerry had to face Galway and Meath in the late 90s. Donegal and Derry had to face two time winner in Down in early 90s. Meath had to face 2 time winner Cork in the 80s. Kerry had to face three times Dublin winning team. And Offaly 71 72 had to face double All Ireland winning kerry team 69 and 70. So Dublin are the only team to win Sam in their era with no multiple winner around at the same time.
Mayo are wonderful bravery team . Who are a credit to their county. For heart and passion they such an admirable team. But until they win an All.Ireland they can not be considered a great team in the history of the game. They are great team in the current times. But you cannot call them a great team compared to past All.Ireland winning teams.
And Dublin have won 3 All.Ireland against a county which have been brillant in the last 25 years. And in so many ways have won the admiration and hearts of the country for the skill and passion.
But a county that when it comes All Ireland (because they have lost so many) are mental basket case. And when it comes to last mins in every final the pressure and desire and the weight of history on Mayos shoulders means they freeze. Dublin have won 3 All. Ireland against team that have problems winning All. I Irelands.
The current kerry team and team of 14 is not a great Kerry team compared the great Kerry teams of 70s 80s and 90s. There is a great Kerry team coming down the track. But the current kerry team and 2014 where one of the poorest ever to win Sam. Of the Kerry teams of the 60s 70s 80s 90s noughties and this decade. This crop is the poorest in comparison to the magnificent genius kerry teams of the 30s 40s 50s 60s 60s70 80s and noughties. Kerry have won 35 All Ireland with great teams . But 1997 and 2014 are the poorest kerry All Ireland winners
Donegal team was well organised and all drilled in 2013. But was no way in the league of great Ulster teams eg Cavan 40s 50s Down 60s and 90s Tyrone noughties. Donegal Team of 92 was a stronger team. 2013 winners was basically one county coming under the influence of maverick outstanding manager and individual who masterminded a victory win by his touch of genius eg Jim McGuiness. Never in the history game has man ager team and supporters clicked under 1 man. But that Donegal team was not a great Ulster outfit compared n comparison to Down 60s and 90s team. Of the winners from Ulster in the last 70 or 80 yeas probaly Derry 1993 and Donegal 2014 where the poorest winners. Cavan 40s 50s Down 60s and 90s Donegal of the 90s and Tyrone and Armagh of the noughties where better teams. Derry team 1993 were probably a better team also.
So overall the opposition Dublin face is weaker then any opposition, any winners have faced in the last half century or more.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 19/09/2017 19:35:23
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So where do Dublin come in the lIst of great teams. Well by winning 3 in a row they have to be considered one of the great team. For me it is impossible to top team 1 to ten 20 list. That's very hard to do. But you could have levels of greatness ,so this is may stab at it.
The top 4 are
1 Kerry 75 to 86 - 8 time winners a three in a row and 4 in a row. Until this Dublin team win 9 Sam's or a 5 in a row. This is the greatest no debate, full stop
2 Down 60 61. They might have won only 2 and many of team won in 68. But their impact on gaelic football is extraordinary. Their achievements are even more extraordinary. They had only won their 1 title their first Ulster in 59. It would be like Sligo or Wicklow winning three All Ireland in 2020s and beating a great Kerry team in 3 finals. Actually It would be like London wininns 3 All Ireland in 2020s. A team from the 6 counties wining all Ireland was not seen as possible. All the Ulster teams that won after Down Derry Donegal 90s and Tyrone Armagh 00s are standing on the showers of these Down gaints. If Down did not win 1960 there would have been no Tyrone in the noughties or Jimmy McGuiness in this decade . That team changed the face of gaelic football. They brought tactics to the table. Players not playing in position , short passing and breaking ball at midfield. They really revolutionised the game
3 Dublin 1974 to 77. I know this Dublin have won more. But that Dublin team also changed that Face of gaelic football. 1974 is the year zero for modern gaelic football. Before that everything was black and white. They brought color to the game. Heffernan changed the face of the game with tactics and the role of manger. They also creates hill 16 and modern Dublin.. Before 74 country lads won most of Dublin all.Ireland. After 74 it was now a team with Dublin lads. They also came from nowhere with only them and Meath in 96 the only teams that came from nowhere to win Sam. They also defeated the greatest team ever twice. For me still greatest Dublin team ever
4 Galway 64 65 66. To win three in a row. Again when you look.at connacht football. So few winners from a football mad province. A provience that has to deal with problems of emigration and rural depopulation
For a team to win three in a row is incredible.
Next level All Time great winners ( not in order)
Dublin 2011-2017
Cavan 47 48 52
Kerry 4 in a row 30s
Next level Great teams ( not in order)
Mayo 50 51
Meath 87 88
Kerry 5 times winners in 00s
Tyrone 2003 05 08
Next level Brillant-Great teams( not in order)
Kildare 27 28
Roscommon 2 time winners in the forties
Offaly 71 72
Cork 89 90
Kerry 69 70
Galway 56
Down 91 94
Next level Brillant teams but not truly great eg did not win a double or other reasons( not in order)
Mayo 1936
Dublin 58
Kerry 55
Meath 49 54
Louth 57
Cork 73
Offaly 82
Donegal 92
Meath 96 99
Galway 98 01
Armagh 02
That's my lIst of basically the best 30 teams ever.
The only counties missing from All Ireland great list of modern era winners are eg Kerry 97 2014 Donegal 2013 Cork 2010. All excellent teams all very good teams. But below all time winners mentioned above. Basically just outside the top 30 greatest teams ever. Still magnificent teams.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 19/09/2017 20:34:06
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Replying To Furlong1949: "So where do Dublin come in the lIst of great teams. Well by winning 3 in a row they have to be considered one of the great team. For me it is impossible to top team 1 to ten 20 list. That's very hard to do. But you could have levels of greatness ,so this is may stab at it.
The top 4 are
1 Kerry 75 to 86 - 8 time winners a three in a row and 4 in a row. Until this Dublin team win 9 Sam's or a 5 in a row. This is the greatest no debate, full stop
2 Down 60 61. They might have won only 2 and many of team won in 68. But their impact on gaelic football is extraordinary. Their achievements are even more extraordinary. They had only won their 1 title their first Ulster in 59. It would be like Sligo or Wicklow winning three All Ireland in 2020s and beating a great Kerry team in 3 finals. Actually It would be like London wininns 3 All Ireland in 2020s. A team from the 6 counties wining all Ireland was not seen as possible. All the Ulster teams that won after Down Derry Donegal 90s and Tyrone Armagh 00s are standing on the showers of these Down gaints. If Down did not win 1960 there would have been no Tyrone in the noughties or Jimmy McGuiness in this decade . That team changed the face of gaelic football. They brought tactics to the table. Players not playing in position , short passing and breaking ball at midfield. They really revolutionised the game
3 Dublin 1974 to 77. I know this Dublin have won more. But that Dublin team also changed that Face of gaelic football. 1974 is the year zero for modern gaelic football. Before that everything was black and white. They brought color to the game. Heffernan changed the face of the game with tactics and the role of manger. They also creates hill 16 and modern Dublin.. Before 74 country lads won most of Dublin all.Ireland. After 74 it was now a team with Dublin lads. They also came from nowhere with only them and Meath in 96 the only teams that came from nowhere to win Sam. They also defeated the greatest team ever twice. For me still greatest Dublin team ever
4 Galway 64 65 66. To win three in a row. Again when you look.at connacht football. So few winners from a football mad province. A provience that has to deal with problems of emigration and rural depopulation
For a team to win three in a row is incredible.
Next level All Time great winners ( not in order)
Dublin 2011-2017
Cavan 47 48 52
Kerry 4 in a row 30s
Next level Great teams ( not in order)
Mayo 50 51
Meath 87 88
Kerry 5 times winners in 00s
Tyrone 2003 05 08
Next level Brillant-Great teams( not in order)
Kildare 27 28
Roscommon 2 time winners in the forties
Offaly 71 72
Cork 89 90
Kerry 69 70
Galway 56
Down 91 94
Next level Brillant teams but not truly great eg did not win a double or other reasons( not in order)
Mayo 1936
Dublin 58
Kerry 55
Meath 49 54
Louth 57
Cork 73
Offaly 82
Donegal 92
Meath 96 99
Galway 98 01
Armagh 02
That's my lIst of basically the best 30 teams ever.
The only counties missing from All Ireland great list of modern era winners are eg Kerry 97 2014 Donegal 2013 Cork 2010. All excellent teams all very good teams. But below all time winners mentioned above. Basically just outside the top 30 greatest teams ever. Still magnificent teams." Love reading your posts Furlong. Mightn't agree with everything but your posts are so informed and non biased. Fair play. Always learn something from your posts. Keep up the good work.
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Replying To Lifford Gael: "Does the fact that 2 of Dublins victories in their 3 in a row success came against Mayo tarnish what would otherwise be a great achievement? Discuss!" why? you can only play the opposition that is good enough to be your competitor in any final. As it is mayo have stepped up and made the final in the last 2yrs so it's upto the rest to beat Dublin or mayo to be contenders.
bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 19/09/2017 21:25:45
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Replying To Laois76: "Love reading your posts Furlong. Mightn't agree with everything but your posts are so informed and non biased. Fair play. Always learn something from your posts. Keep up the good work." Thanks laois76 your a gentleman.
Of course I'm not right about everything. But I do try and back up what I say with stats. Just been allot of talk about Dublin been the greatest. I just wish people would take into account teams like Down in the 60s. Or Cavan winning an All Irelands in New York in 1947 with legend's like Reilly and Higgins . Our Offaly doing the double in 72 by beating Kerry by 8 points . Our Roscommon winning 2 in a row in the during the emergency in the fortiess. There have been allot of great teams in the game.
Dublin have joined that list of great teams.
If you look at my list you will see I have Dublin in the top ten greatest teams ever and just outside the top 4. I have them as the greatest team of the last 30 years and the best of this decade. If they win 4 in a row. They will have to be seen in the top 2 or 3 and if they win 5 in a row the holy grail of Irish sport. They are the greatestate. Simple as.
They are wonderful brillant gaelic football team. But they are not above criticism. I still stand by the comments that Dublin are playing worst leinster championship in history. They are the only All Ireland winners that don't have divsion 1 teams in their province. Kerry always had Cork. Cork have always been divsion 1 a top 5 or 6 county until recently. What if Down had no competition in Ulster in early 90s. Could they have won 3 or 4 in a row. With forward line of Carr Mason McCarten Blaney Whitehall Linden I think maybe they could have . If Meath did not have to face strong Kildare and Offaly teams in 97 98. And leinster provience in 97 98 was like the leinster provience at the moment where you have Division 4 3 and 2 teams. No divsion 1 teams. Would Mesth have won 2 in a row in 97. With forward line Tommy Dowd Tevour Giles Graham Geraghty Evan Kelly Brendan Reilly Ollie Murphy . It wouldn't have been impossible.
If Kerry d5is not have to face Tyrone or Armagh in the noughties, could that have won 6 7 or 8 All Irelands. You will never know. But that Dublin are the only All Ireland winners ever that have no opposition in their province and no real all time great rival ( a multiple All Ireland winner in their era). That is unprecedented in the history of gaelic football.
But still a three in a row. Cannot be argued with It is and means history. And will be remembered in 50 or 60 years time. That is the true measure of greatness. How a team is remembered. Some teams reputation grows others falter. The Meath teams of 80s where despised at the time. But as a Meath have declined and people miss the great battles between Meath and Dublin . That teams reputation and legend has grown. While the Cork team of the same time. It Is mentioned but not really talked about not highly t ratEd as other teams.
The Offaly team of 71 72 is a great team better then 82 team. But because everyone remeber Darby and Offaly stopping 5 in a row. The 82 team is more remeberEd. People remeber rivalries eg Meath v Cork Dublin v Kerry Kerry v Tyrone. It's a massive pity we don't have a great Meath or Galway or Down or kerry around. That would really add to this era .
But still a three in a row is history making and to deny Dublin greatness would be wrong . But we wouldn't really know this teams true worth until if fiinsist up or in 20 years time. How we look back at this team in 20 years time. That's the true test, measure of greatness. Ali is the greatst coz people remeber his charisma and big fights. That's the way it goes.
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Replying To Mailman98: "The thread is about the 3 in a row. "The greatest team to have emerged from Donegal" (they've only had 2 decent teams) were well past their best by the time the 3 in a row started. "The greatest team from Connaught" have only won one Connacht title during the Dublin 3 in a row years. Galway won a 3 in a row of All-Irelands in the days when if you were beaten you were out so I doubt a Mayo team with one Connacht title in 3 years is better than a Galway team with 3 all irelands in 3 years. I'm not sure if you are aware of the Galway team that won Sam in 1998 and 2001 but if you are I'd like you to tell me how many of the Mayo forwards last Sunday would have got on those Galway teams. I'll give you a clue; he's 34 and he would probably have got in ahead of Shay Walsh in 1998 and Tommy Joyce in 2001. Don't forget we had 3 free takers in 98 and 2 in 2001 so don't even think of including Cillian. A few of the Mayo backs might have got on those Galway teams but they'd have had some battle edging out Thomas Mannion, Sean De Paor, Gary Fahy and Declan Meehan. Kevin Walsh in midfield wasn't too bad either." Well firstly I said that our run started in 2011. Donegal were peaking and a fine team. In my opinion this Mayo team is the finest to come out of Connaught. Certainly the back 7 would make any Connaught greatest team. Granted up front they can be patchy but Moran, Doherty, McLoughlin are all fine players as was Alan Dillon. Arguably Aidan O'Shea would be in the mix. Few people would argue that this Mayo team is not one of the greats and the rivalry with Dublin is epic. Certainly up there with previous pairings such as Kerry/Dublin, Kerry/Tyrone. No question.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2017 21:47:03
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Replying To Joxer: "Well firstly I said that our run started in 2011. Donegal were peaking and a fine team. In my opinion this Mayo team is the finest to come out of Connaught. Certainly the back 7 would make any Connaught greatest team. Granted up front they can be patchy but Moran, Doherty, McLoughlin are all fine players as was Alan Dillon. Arguably Aidan O'Shea would be in the mix. Few people would argue that this Mayo team is not one of the greats and the rivalry with Dublin is epic. Certainly up there with previous pairings such as Kerry/Dublin, Kerry/Tyrone. No question." No I couldn't agree with you there, the Kerry/Dublin Tyrone/Kerry rivalries were great because they were beating each other to win All Irelands, Mayo haven't won an All Ireland in the guts of 70 years.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 19/09/2017 22:25:43
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "No I couldn't agree with you there, the Kerry/Dublin Tyrone/Kerry rivalries were great because they were beating each other to win All Irelands, Mayo haven't won an All Ireland in the guts of 70 years." Yeah but Mayo have been in 4 of the last 6 finals, losing three of them by just one point all to Dublin. That in itself is some record. Two great and very closely matched teams. In fact, has there ever been more closely fought contests at the very top between two teams in an era? No I would say.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2017 22:36:38
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I love all this. Long may it continue.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/09/2017 22:37:03
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Replying To Joxer: "Well firstly I said that our run started in 2011. Donegal were peaking and a fine team. In my opinion this Mayo team is the finest to come out of Connaught. Certainly the back 7 would make any Connaught greatest team. Granted up front they can be patchy but Moran, Doherty, McLoughlin are all fine players as was Alan Dillon. Arguably Aidan O'Shea would be in the mix. Few people would argue that this Mayo team is not one of the greats and the rivalry with Dublin is epic. Certainly up there with previous pairings such as Kerry/Dublin, Kerry/Tyrone. No question." Yes Mayo are the greatest team in Connacht IN THIS DECADE
Yes Mayo v Dublin is the greatest rivalry IN THIS DECADE
But football did not begin in 2010. Allot of people are basing greatness on what they have seen currently. Gaelic football has 130 years of great games and teams. I would ask people to find out about past great players and great teams instead of saying the only team they have witnessed is the greatest. Most people would say Pele is the greatst soccer player ever. Most have never seen Pele play.
I will put it very simply Dublin v Mayo is a fine rivalry but a flawed one. Because only 1 team wins . Since Mayo defeated Dublin in 2013 Dublin have been unbeaten in 12 league and championship matchs v Mayo. That's a very uneven rivalry to say the least. I will put it simply belown
Kerry 00s ( 5 time All Ireland winners) v Tyrone 00s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Meath 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winners ) v Cork 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winner) = a great GAA rivalry
Kerry 70s ( 8 time winnerss) v Dublin 70s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Dublin this decade ( 5 times All Ireland winners) v Mayo this decade ( 0 times All Ireland winners) = I will let you do the sums. Can you see the difference in a real great GAA rivalry where two equal great teams go to battle.
Also to say Mayo are the greatst team from the west is madness. This team would not make the top 5 teams to come from the west
1 Galway 60s 3 in a row winning team. Beating Kerry in two finals. A Kerry team that had Mick O Connell and Mick Dwyer
2 Mayo 50 51 the second greatest team to cross the Shannon. Winning back to back All Ireland at a very competitive time. When you had great Cavan Meath Louth kerry and Dublin teams.
3 Galway 1956 I know they won just 1. But two word are suffice Purcell and McDonagh. Purcell they call him master. Possibly and probaly Sean Purcell is not only Galways greatest player but possibly the greatst footballer of all time.
4 Mayo 1936 Not just the All.Ireland but they won 6 leagues in a row . Enough said
5 Roscommon 1942 1943 They won 2 All.Ireland when the world was at war. Great achievement in the Emergency.
6 Joint sixth are - the Mayo Current team. One of the best teams to never win Sam and Roscommon late 70s One of the best teams never to win Sam
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Thanks laois76 your a gentleman.
Of course I'm not right about everything. But I do try and back up what I say with stats. Just been allot of talk about Dublin been the greatest. I just wish people would take into account teams like Down in the 60s. Or Cavan winning an All Irelands in New York in 1947 with legend's like Reilly and Higgins . Our Offaly doing the double in 72 by beating Kerry by 8 points . Our Roscommon winning 2 in a row in the during the emergency in the fortiess. There have been allot of great teams in the game.
Dublin have joined that list of great teams.
If you look at my list you will see I have Dublin in the top ten greatest teams ever and just outside the top 4. I have them as the greatest team of the last 30 years and the best of this decade. If they win 4 in a row. They will have to be seen in the top 2 or 3 and if they win 5 in a row the holy grail of Irish sport. They are the greatestate. Simple as.
They are wonderful brillant gaelic football team. But they are not above criticism. I still stand by the comments that Dublin are playing worst leinster championship in history. They are the only All Ireland winners that don't have divsion 1 teams in their province. Kerry always had Cork. Cork have always been divsion 1 a top 5 or 6 county until recently. What if Down had no competition in Ulster in early 90s. Could they have won 3 or 4 in a row. With forward line of Carr Mason McCarten Blaney Whitehall Linden I think maybe they could have . If Meath did not have to face strong Kildare and Offaly teams in 97 98. And leinster provience in 97 98 was like the leinster provience at the moment where you have Division 4 3 and 2 teams. No divsion 1 teams. Would Mesth have won 2 in a row in 97. With forward line Tommy Dowd Tevour Giles Graham Geraghty Evan Kelly Brendan Reilly Ollie Murphy . It wouldn't have been impossible.
If Kerry d5is not have to face Tyrone or Armagh in the noughties, could that have won 6 7 or 8 All Irelands. You will never know. But that Dublin are the only All Ireland winners ever that have no opposition in their province and no real all time great rival ( a multiple All Ireland winner in their era). That is unprecedented in the history of gaelic football.
But still a three in a row. Cannot be argued with It is and means history. And will be remembered in 50 or 60 years time. That is the true measure of greatness. How a team is remembered. Some teams reputation grows others falter. The Meath teams of 80s where despised at the time. But as a Meath have declined and people miss the great battles between Meath and Dublin . That teams reputation and legend has grown. While the Cork team of the same time. It Is mentioned but not really talked about not highly t ratEd as other teams.
The Offaly team of 71 72 is a great team better then 82 team. But because everyone remeber Darby and Offaly stopping 5 in a row. The 82 team is more remeberEd. People remeber rivalries eg Meath v Cork Dublin v Kerry Kerry v Tyrone. It's a massive pity we don't have a great Meath or Galway or Down or kerry around. That would really add to this era .
But still a three in a row is history making and to deny Dublin greatness would be wrong . But we wouldn't really know this teams true worth until if fiinsist up or in 20 years time. How we look back at this team in 20 years time. That's the true test, measure of greatness. Ali is the greatst coz people remeber his charisma and big fights. That's the way it goes." No, you're the gentleman and a scholar. Few posters like you and your love of gaa shines through with knowledge that is admirable. It doesn't matter what county you are discussing you have no animosity.
Have you ever written a gaa book? If you ever get a chance/time to compile your information and analysis into a topic that interests you by all means do.
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Yes Mayo are the greatest team in Connacht IN THIS DECADE
Yes Mayo v Dublin is the greatest rivalry IN THIS DECADE
But football did not begin in 2010. Allot of people are basing greatness on what they have seen currently. Gaelic football has 130 years of great games and teams. I would ask people to find out about past great players and great teams instead of saying the only team they have witnessed is the greatest. Most people would say Pele is the greatst soccer player ever. Most have never seen Pele play.
I will put it very simply Dublin v Mayo is a fine rivalry but a flawed one. Because only 1 team wins . Since Mayo defeated Dublin in 2013 Dublin have been unbeaten in 12 league and championship matchs v Mayo. That's a very uneven rivalry to say the least. I will put it simply belown
Kerry 00s ( 5 time All Ireland winners) v Tyrone 00s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Meath 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winners ) v Cork 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winner) = a great GAA rivalry
Kerry 70s ( 8 time winnerss) v Dublin 70s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Dublin this decade ( 5 times All Ireland winners) v Mayo this decade ( 0 times All Ireland winners) = I will let you do the sums. Can you see the difference in a real great GAA rivalry where two equal great teams go to battle.
Also to say Mayo are the greatst team from the west is madness. This team would not make the top 5 teams to come from the west
1 Galway 60s 3 in a row winning team. Beating Kerry in two finals. A Kerry team that had Mick O Connell and Mick Dwyer
2 Mayo 50 51 the second greatest team to cross the Shannon. Winning back to back All Ireland at a very competitive time. When you had great Cavan Meath Louth kerry and Dublin teams.
3 Galway 1956 I know they won just 1. But two word are suffice Purcell and McDonagh. Purcell they call him master. Possibly and probaly Sean Purcell is not only Galways greatest player but possibly the greatst footballer of all time.
4 Mayo 1936 Not just the All.Ireland but they won 6 leagues in a row . Enough said
5 Roscommon 1942 1943 They won 2 All.Ireland when the world was at war. Great achievement in the Emergency.
6 Joint sixth are - the Mayo Current team. One of the best teams to never win Sam and Roscommon late 70s One of the best teams never to win Sam" Great post, now I'm googling Sean Purcell !!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 19/09/2017 23:33:34
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