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Replying To AHP: "The inference in your question is that a ref that lives or works in Dublin will want Dublin to win, simply because he works here. By the same logic should Rochford refuse to pick the likes of Seamus O Shea that works in Dublin, he will obviously want Dublin to win too following your line of thought. At the end of the day any ref appointed will do his best, not the best he can for Dublin, or the best he can for Mayo, but simply try to turn in the performance of his career, the same as all 30 players that take the field will hope to do. In every game supporters can point to a decision that they should have got or will feel went again them, but as much as people hate to admit it, generally speaking decisions will balance themselves out during most games, and its very rare that a single decision will decide a game." Excellent post, I don't believe it's right, it's looks poor optically and once again I'd ask would Dublin accept a ref living in Mayo to ref the game ? Honestly now lads. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 02/09/2017 19:30:13 2041929 Link
It should be a referee who is strong enough mentally to referee Dublin in Croke Park. It doesn't matter where he lives but his reputation and past record. I do think some officials buckle and are influenced, consciously and subconsciously, by the Hill and occasion when Dublin play. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 02/09/2017 19:42:14 2041933 Link
Well it's unusual for anyone who refs a semi final to get the final. So that rules out Deegan Coldrick and gough. It leaves mcquillan, lane, kinsella and branagan. Kinsella seems to be out of favour of late. Branagan is unlikely to get it after the Connolly incident. Mcquillan surely won't get it after the 2013 "30 seconds" incident. So my guess is Conor Lane will get it. Apart from missing Bastick's pickup (which looked a genuine mistake), I thought he did well in last year's final. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 02/09/2017 19:47:47 2041935 Link
Where abouts in Dublin is Joe McQuillan from incidentally? Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/09/2017 19:55:16 2041938 Link
Replying To westkerry: "I sincerely hope HS admin allow this topic be discussed as I believe it's a fair debate to have. Ahead of the the referee being named on Monday, Do you believe a referee who lives and works in a participating county should be appointed as a the referee? I honestly believe it's wrong and that it should be a referee from a non participating province." Doesn't matter where he works or lives. The GAA pick the best man for the job and it's the biggest job a referee can get. When was the last time a referee working and/or living in a participating county influenced a result in favour of that county? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 02/09/2017 19:57:45 2041939 Link
Replying To westkerry: "I don't believe any ref goes out to intentionally make calls for one team of course not but unconscious bias is always possible. Reverse the scenario if the ref for the final was a Galway man living and working in Castlebar would that be acceptable to you?" It honestly would because the referees don't concern me nor would they this Dublin team or any other team. We can only control the controllables which is to be the best we can be on the day and decisions will go for and against you. We all see what we want to see. A ref living in Mayo but from Galway might do all he can to ensure Mayo don't win after all they are great rivals. But why stop there....Gough might decide he wronged Kerry by not giving Crowley the free last year so do all he can to give them a dig out next time he refs them. Or Joe McQuillen might be so psed off about rumours of him reffing Dublin games that he feels he cant give them any decisions for fear of bias. Like where do we draw the line at perceived biasness? DannyMcA (Dublin)** - Posts: 260 - 02/09/2017 20:00:18 2041941 Link
Replying To westkerry: "I sincerely hope HS admin allow this topic be discussed as I believe it's a fair debate to have. Ahead of the the referee being named on Monday, Do you believe a referee who lives and works in a participating county should be appointed as a the referee? I honestly believe it's wrong and that it should be a referee from a non participating province." Your query wont be answered, just alot of people dodging the issue. Of course the ref should not be appointed if he lives or works in a certain county. There are four provinces in Ireland, a simple solution is to appoint a ref from a province which isn't involved in the final. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 02/09/2017 20:04:59 2041943 Link
Replying To AHP: "The inference in your question is that a ref that lives or works in Dublin will want Dublin to win, simply because he works here. By the same logic should Rochford refuse to pick the likes of Seamus O Shea that works in Dublin, he will obviously want Dublin to win too following your line of thought. At the end of the day any ref appointed will do his best, not the best he can for Dublin, or the best he can for Mayo, but simply try to turn in the performance of his career, the same as all 30 players that take the field will hope to do. In every game supporters can point to a decision that they should have got or will feel went again them, but as much as people hate to admit it, generally speaking decisions will balance themselves out during most games, and its very rare that a single decision will decide a game." You must have been away for the Leinster Final of 2010 when a certain Mr Sludden allowed a try. That decision certainly influenced the game. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 02/09/2017 20:06:00 2041944 Link
Replying To DannyMcA: "I don't see why not. You are implying some sort of bias am i right. Are refs not professionals? I believe Joe will get the final. Watch the internet explode!" It's great news that refs are professional. That was kept very quiet. BTW I wouldn't would not want to see Joe reffing any game my team was involved in. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 02/09/2017 20:29:00 2041951 Link
Replying To westkerry: "Irrelevant. I've no skin in this game." Disgusting tread really , surprised it was let through hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 02/09/2017 20:29:45 2041953 Link
Replying To hipster: "Disgusting tread really , surprised it was let through" Don't be so sanctimonious, it's a fair question raised about the administration of our game. You don't have a monopoly of what is allowed to be discussed or not. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 02/09/2017 20:42:55 2041958 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Well it's unusual for anyone who refs a semi final to get the final. So that rules out Deegan Coldrick and gough. It leaves mcquillan, lane, kinsella and branagan. Kinsella seems to be out of favour of late. Branagan is unlikely to get it after the Connolly incident. Mcquillan surely won't get it after the 2013 "30 seconds" incident. So my guess is Conor Lane will get it. Apart from missing Bastick's pickup (which looked a genuine mistake), I thought he did well in last year's final." Spot on. Should be Conor Lane. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 02/09/2017 20:45:37 2041960 Link
Can someone clear up a couple of things here: Is it the senior football final (lots of all-Ireland finals being decided at the min) Is it Dublin vs Mayo? Is it Joe McQuillan? Like a game of guess who with this thread. I don't think it matters as long as the referee is fair. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 02/09/2017 20:46:58 2041961 Link
Replying To KY4SAM2015: "Your query wont be answered, just alot of people dodging the issue. Of course the ref should not be appointed if he lives or works in a certain county. There are four provinces in Ireland, a simple solution is to appoint a ref from a province which isn't involved in the final." What like one from ulster like in 2010 Leinster final who would do a good job because he was neutral? That worked out well alright ! catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 02/09/2017 20:58:50 2041968 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Well it's unusual for anyone who refs a semi final to get the final. So that rules out Deegan Coldrick and gough. It leaves mcquillan, lane, kinsella and branagan. Kinsella seems to be out of favour of late. Branagan is unlikely to get it after the Connolly incident. Mcquillan surely won't get it after the 2013 "30 seconds" incident. So my guess is Conor Lane will get it. Apart from missing Bastick's pickup (which looked a genuine mistake), I thought he did well in last year's final." Kinsela is retired isn't he? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 02/09/2017 21:01:25 2041971 Link
The inference of your question is that referees are liable to be unfair to one county over another if they have any loose connection to one team over anothet in a final. By extension of that inference it suggests that the selection process for said final is somehow flawed in favour of one of the sides rather than picking the best person for the job. In fairness to you Westkerry you are generally a fair poster but on this one I would give the referee the benefit of the doubt. The person selected for the final has earned their stripes.Yes, they will get calls wrong , but you will have that in every game, final or not, wherever you look for a referee.Funny you reference 2015 though. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 02/09/2017 21:20:40 2041982 Link
Replying To catch22: "The inference of your question is that referees are liable to be unfair to one county over another if they have any loose connection to one team over anothet in a final. By extension of that inference it suggests that the selection process for said final is somehow flawed in favour of one of the sides rather than picking the best person for the job. In fairness to you Westkerry you are generally a fair poster but on this one I would give the referee the benefit of the doubt. The person selected for the final has earned their stripes.Yes, they will get calls wrong , but you will have that in every game, final or not, wherever you look for a referee.Funny you reference 2015 though." Good post, I only referenced the 2015 final as there was a documentary which showed the ref living in the county he was officiating in a major game. I've no problem with that game or the decisions in it. Regardless of some of the responses on here i don't think my belief is wrong that a ref from a non participating province should ref major games. I'm not inferring anything I believe that should be GAA policy. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 02/09/2017 21:38:34 2041990 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Kinsela is retired isn't he?" He could be. I never heard he retired but haven't seen him at all this year. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 02/09/2017 21:38:41 2041991 Link
Replying To KY4SAM2015: "Your query wont be answered, just alot of people dodging the issue. Of course the ref should not be appointed if he lives or works in a certain county. There are four provinces in Ireland, a simple solution is to appoint a ref from a province which isn't involved in the final." Conor Lane is the only one of the top refs that can get the game. Is it fair on referees that no matter how good they are they will never get an all Ireland final if they are from the same province as the main contenders. By the same logic a Munster man would be lucky to have a chance to ref a hurling final once every 20 years, what incentive is that to referees AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 02/09/2017 21:53:27 2041998 Link
Replying To westkerry: "Don't be so sanctimonious, it's a fair question raised about the administration of our game. You don't have a monopoly of what is allowed to be discussed or not." And you do haha , bringing the integrity of our refs into dispute is repulsive hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 02/09/2017 22:02:14 2042000 Link