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Replying To Marse: "Dublin best full back in years hasn't played the last two years due to career requirements." Requirements?
He wanted to go to NZ for a year!
And Johnny Cooper was better last year than ROC was the previous 2 years.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 29/08/2017 19:20:23
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Replying To essmac: "A pro player used to have 3 advantages: (1) professional training; (2) professional nutrition; and (3) plenty of rest. Professional amounts of rest periods make a difference, not just to energy levels but also to how often and how effectively repeat training sessions can be scheduled. I'd say most of the better inter-county teams are there or thereabouts on aspects 1 and 2. However, anybody in a job will struggle with aspect 3. Once you have counties able to financially support players who are not working, or not working long hours, then the inter-county game really has become professional. That's where it's headed. Once a team can afford to do that, and it gives a team that critical final 5 to 10 % in conditioning, then other counties have try and match it. Or give up. And this largely goes back to money." We have disagreed on many things. But you are absolutely right in everything you posted. No one is asking Dublin to change a thing. Just to allow every other county the same advantages. Nothing more nothing less
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/08/2017 19:57:16
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I dont think its dublins dominence at the min is the problem. Its just in the gaa normally when a great team emerges another great team rises to meet that challange 00s tyrone/kerry/armagh.late 80s meath/cork.70s dublin/kerry.
And people saying that dublins population is the reason they are way ahead now is nonsense.dublin always had a huge population compare to everywhere else.
The problem i have is that so many counties have become so weak. In this age where very county is has coaches for this and that and still they are so far behind.
I think the gaa hq has neglected their job. Rugby and soccer used to only a problem for dublin gaa is now a massive draw for young people all over ireland. More and more young people are turning to other sports rather than gaa and that is why dublin although a fantastic team are so much futher ahead than everybody else.
tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 334 - 29/08/2017 21:15:53
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Replying To waynoI: "Was Man uniteds dominance good for English football ?
Kerrys for gaelic football 78-81
Kilkenny in hurling
They go in cycles. This Dublin team wont be winning forever." Dublin will now become the all blacks of the gaa. They will dominate football forever and will only lose occasionally a bit like the all blacks in Rugby.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 29/08/2017 22:22:25
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The reality is this dominance is down to a superb manager a wonderful group of players,playing every match that matters at home and crucially a financial situation no other county not even Cork can dream about.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1457 - 29/08/2017 22:43:42
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Replying To moc.dna: "No & the massive funding into Dublin Gaa is a scandal at this stage, when Gaa in some counties is on the verge. Some clubs in Dublin have bigger turnover than some county set ups. 1.3 million people with best access to numbers, highest media profile, easy access to Croke Park so kids can see games, sponsorships, funding from the Gaa. The whole thing is skewed but governance in Croke Park can't see beyond Dublin." My own club Na Fianna, own 1 pitch yes 1 pitch, they are relying on NAMA to provide pitches. They cannot and do not make a profit - you do realise that clubs cannot make a profit don't you, reads like you don't know this in fact very little is known outside of Dublin what the club scene is like. We have a huge membership and they dig deep to keep the club afloat but it requires an incredible amount of time and effort to keep the show on the road. And this club is no different to all the others in Dublin, there are no handouts we have more fixtures than some counties its not a boast its a burden. The myth of the Dublin money machine - were is it? There is nothing but innuendo an poorly concocted conspiracies "we all know what is going on in Dublin" well tell us because if its as good as you say give us a piece of it.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 29/08/2017 22:52:40
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without getting into the who's and the why's I can honestly say that I'm getting bored of watching the same one/couple of teams being the only ones with a shot at winning the AI. I know its not the first era where this has happened and far from it but there is an enevitability about the championship. It would be a huge boost to the game if a couple of emerging forces arrived to shake things up.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 30/08/2017 12:03:12
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I don't think that Dublin's golden era per se is a bad thing, in the sense that in almost every decade (the 1990s in football and hurling being a rare exception) one or two teams have dominated at county senior level. Also, as some people have already alluded to, a strong Dublin team has some benefits in terms of terms of keeping interest levels strong in an urbanizing country.
However, Dublin is the beneficiary of several socio-economic trends that only benefit themselves and possibly one or two other counties with cities in them. This is obviously not their fault, and they would be foolish not to capitalize on it, but IMO such trends will make top level GAA less competitive in future.
The obvious one is that Dublin is receiving a larger and larger proportion of the Irish workforce, with no obvious plan to resuscitate rural Ireland that I can see. Put it this way: I come from a rural town of around 11k people. I'm almost 30, and out of my Leaving Cert class, perhaps one-fifth of my ex classmates remain in the area. The rest are based in Galway, Dublin, the U.K., Oz and a fair few spots in between. Dublin doesn't have this problem (to the same extent, anyway) being the economic heartbeat of the country.
Also, due to this I believe it's no coincidence that Dublin has not suffered poaching of its best players from AFL clubs. Looking around at many of the Dubs' traditional rivals- Meath and Kildare in Leinster, Kerry, Mayo and Cork outside- several have lost talented young players to Aussie Rules. I believe that Mayo would have won a senior All-Ireland already, for example, had we managed to keep one of the Hanleys at home. Dublin don't have this issue as their players can all expect to pick up employment in their locality. This also naturally accrues other advantages to them in terms of rest and recovery.
Finally, funding is an issue, no matter the protestations to the contrary. Essentially, GAA HQ cannot keep feeding one child while allowing others to starve. The massive imbalance in funding, even allowing for Dublin's large proportion of the overall population, will ensure that some counties will fall further and further behind. I realize that some will point to Mayo's expenditure last year in retort, but this was an exceptional year with Mayo teams reaching 5 All-Ireland finals. Moreover, the vast bulk of the money came from fundraising from the rather large Mayo diaspora and businesses inside the county. It would not be sustainable for Mayo to spend like this long term, and in any case we can see the downside of such expenditure in the senior side through the weak performance of the county's underage sides in recent years.
How to fix these issues? It's not easy, as some are rooted in socio-economics and public policy decisions far beyond the GAA's remit. I do believe, though, that the GAA may have to revisit competition structures and assess the viability of some counties competing at the highest level in their present guise, should the Dub's continue to dominate in the mid to long term. I would also argue that it makes sense to remove the massive funding that the Dubs get from central funding on light of the huge money received from the likes of AIG and the Irish Sports Council, but that's a different argument for a different thread.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 30/08/2017 13:11:16
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Replying To Gleebo: "I don't think that Dublin's golden era per se is a bad thing, in the sense that in almost every decade (the 1990s in football and hurling being a rare exception) one or two teams have dominated at county senior level. Also, as some people have already alluded to, a strong Dublin team has some benefits in terms of terms of keeping interest levels strong in an urbanizing country.
However, Dublin is the beneficiary of several socio-economic trends that only benefit themselves and possibly one or two other counties with cities in them. This is obviously not their fault, and they would be foolish not to capitalize on it, but IMO such trends will make top level GAA less competitive in future.
The obvious one is that Dublin is receiving a larger and larger proportion of the Irish workforce, with no obvious plan to resuscitate rural Ireland that I can see. Put it this way: I come from a rural town of around 11k people. I'm almost 30, and out of my Leaving Cert class, perhaps one-fifth of my ex classmates remain in the area. The rest are based in Galway, Dublin, the U.K., Oz and a fair few spots in between. Dublin doesn't have this problem (to the same extent, anyway) being the economic heartbeat of the country.
Also, due to this I believe it's no coincidence that Dublin has not suffered poaching of its best players from AFL clubs. Looking around at many of the Dubs' traditional rivals- Meath and Kildare in Leinster, Kerry, Mayo and Cork outside- several have lost talented young players to Aussie Rules. I believe that Mayo would have won a senior All-Ireland already, for example, had we managed to keep one of the Hanleys at home. Dublin don't have this issue as their players can all expect to pick up employment in their locality. This also naturally accrues other advantages to them in terms of rest and recovery.
Finally, funding is an issue, no matter the protestations to the contrary. Essentially, GAA HQ cannot keep feeding one child while allowing others to starve. The massive imbalance in funding, even allowing for Dublin's large proportion of the overall population, will ensure that some counties will fall further and further behind. I realize that some will point to Mayo's expenditure last year in retort, but this was an exceptional year with Mayo teams reaching 5 All-Ireland finals. Moreover, the vast bulk of the money came from fundraising from the rather large Mayo diaspora and businesses inside the county. It would not be sustainable for Mayo to spend like this long term, and in any case we can see the downside of such expenditure in the senior side through the weak performance of the county's underage sides in recent years.
How to fix these issues? It's not easy, as some are rooted in socio-economics and public policy decisions far beyond the GAA's remit. I do believe, though, that the GAA may have to revisit competition structures and assess the viability of some counties competing at the highest level in their present guise, should the Dub's continue to dominate in the mid to long term. I would also argue that it makes sense to remove the massive funding that the Dubs get from central funding on light of the huge money received from the likes of AIG and the Irish Sports Council, but that's a different argument for a different thread." Excellent post gleebo.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/08/2017 13:42:46
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Replying To Gleebo: "I don't think that Dublin's golden era per se is a bad thing, in the sense that in almost every decade (the 1990s in football and hurling being a rare exception) one or two teams have dominated at county senior level. Also, as some people have already alluded to, a strong Dublin team has some benefits in terms of terms of keeping interest levels strong in an urbanizing country.
However, Dublin is the beneficiary of several socio-economic trends that only benefit themselves and possibly one or two other counties with cities in them. This is obviously not their fault, and they would be foolish not to capitalize on it, but IMO such trends will make top level GAA less competitive in future.
The obvious one is that Dublin is receiving a larger and larger proportion of the Irish workforce, with no obvious plan to resuscitate rural Ireland that I can see. Put it this way: I come from a rural town of around 11k people. I'm almost 30, and out of my Leaving Cert class, perhaps one-fifth of my ex classmates remain in the area. The rest are based in Galway, Dublin, the U.K., Oz and a fair few spots in between. Dublin doesn't have this problem (to the same extent, anyway) being the economic heartbeat of the country.
Also, due to this I believe it's no coincidence that Dublin has not suffered poaching of its best players from AFL clubs. Looking around at many of the Dubs' traditional rivals- Meath and Kildare in Leinster, Kerry, Mayo and Cork outside- several have lost talented young players to Aussie Rules. I believe that Mayo would have won a senior All-Ireland already, for example, had we managed to keep one of the Hanleys at home. Dublin don't have this issue as their players can all expect to pick up employment in their locality. This also naturally accrues other advantages to them in terms of rest and recovery.
Finally, funding is an issue, no matter the protestations to the contrary. Essentially, GAA HQ cannot keep feeding one child while allowing others to starve. The massive imbalance in funding, even allowing for Dublin's large proportion of the overall population, will ensure that some counties will fall further and further behind. I realize that some will point to Mayo's expenditure last year in retort, but this was an exceptional year with Mayo teams reaching 5 All-Ireland finals. Moreover, the vast bulk of the money came from fundraising from the rather large Mayo diaspora and businesses inside the county. It would not be sustainable for Mayo to spend like this long term, and in any case we can see the downside of such expenditure in the senior side through the weak performance of the county's underage sides in recent years.
How to fix these issues? It's not easy, as some are rooted in socio-economics and public policy decisions far beyond the GAA's remit. I do believe, though, that the GAA may have to revisit competition structures and assess the viability of some counties competing at the highest level in their present guise, should the Dub's continue to dominate in the mid to long term. I would also argue that it makes sense to remove the massive funding that the Dubs get from central funding on light of the huge money received from the likes of AIG and the Irish Sports Council, but that's a different argument for a different thread." Good post mate i would say the finance thing has been done to death and is a non issue when all broke down Dublin get 1 14% peice of the pie.
Interestingly Dublin isnt the top destination for rural to urban migration i believe its Kildare and Meath. Sligo, Galway, Cork and Louth also have a higher percentage of urban growth then Dublin. Anyway ill post the info so people can make an informed opinion on rural to urban migration, source is the CSO:
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Urbanisation
In April 2016, 44% of the State's total urban population lived in Dublin, while 11% lived in Cork. Sligo was the county with the biggest change in the rate of urbanisation, increasing from 37% to 40% over the five years. Forty-one towns had a population of 10,000 or more, with 27 in Leinster, nine in Munster, three in Connacht and two in the three Ulster counties. 62.7% of the population lived in urban areas in April 2016.
Rural Areas
37.3% of the population lived in rural areas in April 2016. The largest rural population increase was in County Cork with 6,946 persons followed by Kildare which saw its rural population increase by 4,025 persons.
Largest and fastest growing towns
Drogheda, with a population of 40,956 (up 6.2% since April 2011) remained the largest town in Ireland. Swords (39,248) and Dundalk (39,004) complete the top three. Ennis (25,276 persons) remained the largest town in Munster. Sligo with 19,199 persons was Connacht's largest town, while Letterkenny (19,274 persons) was the largest town in the three Ulster counties. The latter three towns experienced a slight decline in population since April 2011.
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Largest and fastest growing towns
Drogheda, with a population of 40,956 (up 6.2% since April 2011) remained the largest town in Ireland. Swords (39,248) and Dundalk (39,004) complete the top three. Ennis (25,276 persons) remained the largest town in Munster. Sligo with 19,199 persons was Connacht's largest town, while Letterkenny (19,274 persons) was the largest town in the three Ulster counties. The latter three towns experienced a slight decline in population since April 2011.
Population Density
There were 70 people per km2 in April 2016, up from 67 people per km2 in 2011. The density average in 2016 was 2,008 people per km2 in urban areas and 27 people per km2 in rural areas while in 2011 the respective figures were 1,736 and 26.
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Coastal Living
1.9 million people or 40% of the population were residing within 5km of the coast. Of this figure, 40,000 lived less than 100 metres from the nearest coastline.
County of birth and county of residence
65.1% of Meath's population were born outside the county, the highest proportion in the country. Cork city and county, at 25.5%, had the lowest proportion of residents born outside the county. Just 13% of those born in Donegal were usually resident in another county.
Internal migration declines
263,551 usual residents (aged one year and over) moved in the year up to April 2016, down 3.5% on the 2011 figure of 273,239. Of these, 94,182 moved in Dublin, with 18,716 moving out of the county. The top destinations were Kildare, Meath and Wicklow. The number of households moving in the year up to April 2016 fell by 4% to 110,204.
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Age profile of movers
The most mobile cohort of the population was those aged 20 to 34, accounting for 45.7% of all movers. 28 was the peak age for moving in the year up to 2016 compared with 25 in 2011. The numbers dropped considerably for those aged 40 and over who made up only 21.6% of the movers.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 30/08/2017 14:33:10
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Some of these threads are serious doom mongering.
Dublin are the best. They probably will win the most All Ireland every decade unless there's some sort of game changing shift.
It's hard though to see there being a situation at anytime where there isn't at least 1 of the other 31 teams rising up with a strong team to challenge them.
Right now Mayo have their best team ever and have had a number of ding dong battles with the Dubs over the last few years. When this group drops off you'd hope that the Kerry minors who have been so successful of late will start to feed into a renewed challenge from the Kingdom.
The challenger will change year on year and Dublin are likely to remain but it's not going to be the case that Dublin have it all their own way until the end of time.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 30/08/2017 18:26:46
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Will you all be quiet if Mayo win? :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 30/08/2017 19:26:34
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It's not dublin problem, however the reality is that this level dominance is not good for football. Other county players will loss interest if they they think they haven't a chance to win an AI medal.
downtothecore (Down) - Posts:188 - 28/08/2017 08:01:41 203
Dublin's dominance raises the bar, challenges the brightest and best from every other County to improve their player development and training methods etc. There are a number of Counties with the footballing capability to challenge and beat Dublin, but they have recently fallen short, whether that is because they lacked the players or capable management is debatable.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 30/08/2017 22:17:37
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In 5 or 10 years time this thread will be called 'Is Kerry's dominance bad for the game'.
Dublin has had a conveyor belt of really good underage teams since about 2009z Kerry have won 3 minors in a row and are on course for 4 in three weeks time. These things are cyclical but at the same time it is sad to see such lack of competition in Leinster.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 30/08/2017 22:35:35
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Replying To realdub: "Will you all be quiet if Mayo win? :D" No we will hear a completely different tune , overrated , not as good as blah blah blah
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 30/08/2017 22:45:15
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Kildare did reasonably well against Dublin this year, they are a very young team so they could
be competitive against Dublin going forward. There is no reason that counties like Meath and
Kildare with large growing populations cannot be competitive against Dublin. Mayo, Kerry &
Donegal have been very competitive during this golden era of Dublin football.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 30/08/2017 22:58:23
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