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Congrats to Mayo today, fully deserving, and really this could be there year. Watching the two games and with the Dubs and Tyrone on tomorrow i was thinking how far the rest have fallen behind. It could be years and i mean years before a Cork/ Kildare/ Monaghan/ Donegal or Galway or the likes ever see Sam. The championship only started last week in reality..

Belclare1 (Galway) - 26/08/2017 20:43:15    2038250

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Congrats to Mayo today, fully deserving, and really this could be there year. Watching the two games and with the Dubs and Tyrone on tomorrow i was thinking how far the rest have fallen behind. It could be years and i mean years before a Cork/ Kildare/ Monaghan/ Donegal or Galway or the likes ever see Sam. The championship only started last week in reality.."
If ye took yer goal chances and the players didn't give up ye would have some chance.

The only reason Mayo operate at this level is because they keep going until the end - no matter what

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - 27/08/2017 08:50:33    2038457

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "If ye took yer goal chances and the players didn't give up ye would have some chance.

The only reason Mayo operate at this level is because they keep going until the end - no matter what"
Not strictly true.

Mayo have some absolute top quality players. As do the other 3.

You need that to win Sam and those listed in the OP have 1 or maybe 2 but that's it. It's too easy to nullify a threat with modern tactics etc. To win Sam a team needs to have threats all over the pitch.

I don't see anyone outside the current 'top 4' winning Sam this decade anyway.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - 27/08/2017 12:12:49    2038525

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "If ye took yer goal chances and the players didn't give up ye would have some chance.

The only reason Mayo operate at this level is because they keep going until the end - no matter what"
Stop.. even if we had beaten Kerry Mayo would have killed us.. No leaders in Galway

Belclare1 (Galway) - 27/08/2017 17:04:12    2038701

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Stop.. even if we had beaten Kerry Mayo would have killed us.. No leaders in Galway"
The gap between Mayo and Dublin and the rest is massive.. Tyrone are a shambles

Belclare1 (Galway) - 27/08/2017 17:17:20    2038712

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Replying To Belclare1:  "The gap between Mayo and Dublin and the rest is massive.. Tyrone are a shambles"
And Mayo are an old team so they're in last chance saloon. There will be a vacancy to be filled in the top 2 over the next 12 months. Totally hope they win the final though.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - 27/08/2017 17:40:28    2038732

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The future of the game looks very bleak indeed....talking about big four...dublin are miles ahead of tge other 3 now.....even though mayo will throw the kitchen sink at them

preddan (Kildare) - 27/08/2017 17:55:45    2038762

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Replying To preddan:  "The future of the game looks very bleak indeed....talking about big four...dublin are miles ahead of tge other 3 now.....even though mayo will throw the kitchen sink at them"
Mayo will give Dublin plenty of trouble. They're a team who will be competitive with anyone and have clearly been the closest to beating the Dubs in the last couple of years. Whether they'll get over the line or not is another matter, but they're not far off Dublin at all, especially at the business end of the championship.
Although I have huge admiration for this Dublin team, there are plenty players on that Mayo panel who deserve at least one All-Ireland. A double for the west would be very nice.

WanPintWin (Galway) - 27/08/2017 20:30:19    2038884

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The future of the championship following this year's quareters & semi's has got to be worrying. Kerry were destroyed by a mayo team that may or may not have what it takes to compete with this level of Dublin. Tyrone we hoped were the team coming through and today Dublin proved they not even in same league, thus proving ulster is now competitive only within itself, way behind what's needed to win an AI. Mayo even if they do upset the books and finaly win one this year will not reach the ridiculous level of intensity for the next few years so where does that leave it. It leaves it with donegal a spent force, kerry a usta, yea they'l always be in late aug but not further, mayo got theirs & now gone ( f they win ths year, f not didnt get theirs but stil gone), tyrone as good as they can b & not actualy close (i'l say tyrone beter than today but realy how far off) & where to next, galway gona compete?.. no.. kildare to compete?.. no.. who else?? The sport has reached professionalism in the true sense now & that means the awsome means of dublin leave them unplayable because the 400 odd page development plan available for us all to see online from back in 2011 is now coming to fruition. Who can compete with semi professional coaching of the greatest pick of talent from under 12 level? Gaelic games have changed forever...

2ndcumin (Donegal) - 27/08/2017 21:30:40    2038923

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Mayo will give Dublin plenty of trouble. They're a team who will be competitive with anyone and have clearly been the closest to beating the Dubs in the last couple of years. Whether they'll get over the line or not is another matter, but they're not far off Dublin at all, especially at the business end of the championship.
Although I have huge admiration for this Dublin team, there are plenty players on that Mayo panel who deserve at least one All-Ireland. A double for the west would be very nice."
Yes, I wonder what the odds are for both Liam and Sam heading West this year.?

That would be some achievement alright.

Fionn (Dublin) - 27/08/2017 22:16:36    2038951

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the gap between dublin and the rest is massive. dublin will hammer mayo too. mayo are top of the second pile for now.

Live_Wire (Monaghan) - 27/08/2017 23:09:29    2038988

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "And Mayo are an old team so they're in last chance saloon. There will be a vacancy to be filled in the top 2 over the next 12 months. Totally hope they win the final though."
Gaelic football is a fanatical topic in Mayo....EVERY kid in Mayo wants to play for Mayo. I heard experts saying a spot would open in the top 4...with Mayo dropping out. Now it's a top 2...with Mayo dropping out. We aren't going anywhere.

yew_tree (Mayo) - 27/08/2017 23:14:06    2038995

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Replying To 2ndcumin:  "The future of the championship following this year's quareters & semi's has got to be worrying. Kerry were destroyed by a mayo team that may or may not have what it takes to compete with this level of Dublin. Tyrone we hoped were the team coming through and today Dublin proved they not even in same league, thus proving ulster is now competitive only within itself, way behind what's needed to win an AI. Mayo even if they do upset the books and finaly win one this year will not reach the ridiculous level of intensity for the next few years so where does that leave it. It leaves it with donegal a spent force, kerry a usta, yea they'l always be in late aug but not further, mayo got theirs & now gone ( f they win ths year, f not didnt get theirs but stil gone), tyrone as good as they can b & not actualy close (i'l say tyrone beter than today but realy how far off) & where to next, galway gona compete?.. no.. kildare to compete?.. no.. who else?? The sport has reached professionalism in the true sense now & that means the awsome means of dublin leave them unplayable because the 400 odd page development plan available for us all to see online from back in 2011 is now coming to fruition. Who can compete with semi professional coaching of the greatest pick of talent from under 12 level? Gaelic games have changed forever..."
Yes completely agree and we are watching the death of Gaelic football. Only competition now will lie within Connacht Munster and ulster for their respective provincial championships. The super 8s are going to be awful painful to watch

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - 28/08/2017 09:04:42    2039087

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Replying To 2ndcumin:  "The future of the championship following this year's quareters & semi's has got to be worrying. Kerry were destroyed by a mayo team that may or may not have what it takes to compete with this level of Dublin. Tyrone we hoped were the team coming through and today Dublin proved they not even in same league, thus proving ulster is now competitive only within itself, way behind what's needed to win an AI. Mayo even if they do upset the books and finaly win one this year will not reach the ridiculous level of intensity for the next few years so where does that leave it. It leaves it with donegal a spent force, kerry a usta, yea they'l always be in late aug but not further, mayo got theirs & now gone ( f they win ths year, f not didnt get theirs but stil gone), tyrone as good as they can b & not actualy close (i'l say tyrone beter than today but realy how far off) & where to next, galway gona compete?.. no.. kildare to compete?.. no.. who else?? The sport has reached professionalism in the true sense now & that means the awsome means of dublin leave them unplayable because the 400 odd page development plan available for us all to see online from back in 2011 is now coming to fruition. Who can compete with semi professional coaching of the greatest pick of talent from under 12 level? Gaelic games have changed forever..."
Impossible to argue with that. The GAA have created a monster and while, over the last 5 or 6 years, it has proven extremely fruitful to them, it will inevitably (and it is 100% inevitable) kill the game as we now know it.

Mayo will push Dublin all the way this year but win or lose this is it for this Mayo team IMO.

Kerry are years off being a true force again. It's next to impossible to replace Gooch, Declan O'Sullivan, Galvin, the O'Sheas etc. Good minor teams don't necessarily produce outstanding senior players and Clifford aside, they may not produce superstars.

I'm not sure who's left after that. For a county to compete with what Dublin are now working with, they'd need to produce a side of the quality of Kerry 78-81, 04-09, or Tyrone 03-08. That's 3 teams in the entire history of the GAA. It will take years.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - 28/08/2017 09:14:45    2039092

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I've no doubt Kerry and Tyrone will be a force for Dublin soon. How fickle football is,Mayo only for some awful breaks would be reigning champions and are capable of beating Dublin.

Dublin are a magical team and are to be admired and are great for football. No reason why the major population bases shouldn't be able to move up the levels.
Scrap the provincials. A three tier championship is the solution Prestige and incentive driven.

salvador (Roscommon) - 28/08/2017 09:47:32    2039112

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If you think football is ruined by this then Hurling must have been ruined 15 years ago with the dominance of Kilkenny

Are both grades now ruined ?

Hunter077 (Roscommon) - 28/08/2017 10:19:31    2039123

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Gaelic football is a fanatical topic in Mayo....EVERY kid in Mayo wants to play for Mayo. I heard experts saying a spot would open in the top 4...with Mayo dropping out. Now it's a top 2...with Mayo dropping out. We aren't going anywhere."
Good man.. ease up. Sure nobody is going anywhere. We all start from scratch again in Jan

Belclare1 (Galway) - 28/08/2017 10:44:30    2039141

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Dublin are playing brilliant this year but for some reason Kerry and Tyrone just didn't perform in the semi-finals, both teams are better than that. Certainly this year Mayo are the only team who can give Dublin a serious game. There are quite a few teans I think could go the next level - Armagh, Galway, Roscommon, Down and especially Kildare. Maybe even Donegal can come back into the equation if we get a good manager. However its difficult to see any of these teams challenging next year whatever about down the line in a few years time. I would worry about the Super 8's next year.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - 28/08/2017 14:31:16    2039370

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Margins at top level are so small that if you are a small bit off you can get destroyed and look to be miles away.

Tyrone were muck yesterday, seemed to lack belief. Not saying they would have won but they could have made it a lot more competitive with different tactics. Kildare not 100 miles away. Mayo rubbish early on but really moving well now.

Things change. That's just the nature of it. Remember Donegal when McGuiness took over, 2 years later bang.

There are teams out there that are not top level now but have raw material. A bit of proper organisation and they should be AI contenders.
eg. Cork, Kildare, Meath, Galway. They have large player bases and some talented individuals. If not with the current crop of players there is no reason with proper structures these 4 counties should not be there or there abouts based on their football population.

Some of the smaller counties will only show up every so often when they get a talented crop but the above should have conveyor belts of talent if they get their act together.

Mayonman (Galway) - 28/08/2017 14:49:27    2039386

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Replying To Belclare1:  "The gap between Mayo and Dublin and the rest is massive.. Tyrone are a shambles"
Tyrone are not a shambles. They are possibly the 3rd or 2nd best team in the country. If they were competing 3 or 4 years ago, they possibly would have won the all Ireland. The difference each year between Dublin and the field is growing. Although the differences are tiny, they are enormous when they are accumulated. For instance, Tyrone were doing their usual thing yesterday. They were failing in the final 3rd of the pitch, for the first time this season. The reason? The speed of the Dublin defence was astonishing tracking back. Their tackling was INCH perfect. Next year, they will have something else perfected that they have almost perfected this year. The body of excellence will grow and grow. Plus their under age conveyor belt is ticking over.

The great illusion and denial that every county faces now is that of a gambler full of excuses. Why did tyrone underperform? If we could only play the game again, they would have made more of a game of it. We should have been more intense from the start, we showed too much respect to Dublin. Ad infinitum. There is a long and tedious list here, that Kerry are even used to now after a Dublin championship game. Same happened Monaghan. If only if only. It is going to be a hell of a long time before a team touches Dublin again. I would suggest that Mayo will give it a rattle, but they will fall short too. The final 20 minutes will be like Mayweather beating McGregor. Just watching the clock and doing enough.

Dublin have the traction they need, and have had it for a number of seasons now. I think that they don't need the financial help any more. It may come as a surprise to people but believe it or not, money can by you opportunities and options. It gives you freedom and choice where no money or a smaller budget gives you none. We are in the era of business algorithms-we are in sports science and anything outside this jurisdiction is a non runner. Watch the gates tumble in the next decade. Watch young people go to Oz to play Australian rules or rugby or soccer at home. It is a plan that Bertie put in situ but has turned into one of his out of control bubbles at the expense of the field. Unregulated and heedless.

Enjoy the SPL folks. It is a one horse race From now on.

Donegalman (None) - 28/08/2017 15:35:29    2039418

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