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GreenAndRed you are right about McLaughlin.
He is one of those players that every team needs. He rarely makes mistake and is great at making the right decisions.

As a Donegal supporter I would say losing Neil Gallagher this year was our biggest loss. He offered a calmness on the ball and when our players got in trouble he was always there as an outlet who rarely lost the ball. McLaughlin does this for Mayo. He works all day and generally gets a few scores as well.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 21/08/2017 11:42:58    2035915

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Is it just me that thinks Durcan is a better player than keegan?!"
Keegan doesn't look 100% so at the moment, yes

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 21/08/2017 11:48:53    2035919

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Is it just me that thinks Durcan is a better player than keegan?!"
Just you! But Paddy is quality and will only get better with more games. Lee had a bad game yesterday by his high standards.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7572 - 21/08/2017 11:49:17    2035921

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Replying To mayoboy1:  "I thought Deegan was very good to Kerry.

1. Should a penalty have been given for Griffin touching the ball on the ground in the small square? Only seen it on highlights show last night so will need another look but looked just inside to me.

2. Jack Savage striking out at Diarmuid O'Connor and he gives two yellows? And even worse doesn't hop the ball after and Kerry score a handy free.

3. Just after the second Kerry goal, a Mayo player taken out in the air as he went to catch the kick out, play on and Kerry score a point.

4. Very high and dangerous tackle by David Moran only a yellow, I've seen reds given for challenges like it.

5. Black cards not given to Murphy and Buckley I think for cynical off the ball stuff.

In general I thought Kerry got frees a lot easier than us, and he let tackles go for Kerry that weren't for Mayo.

Some decisions went in our favour too, Vaughan could have got two black cards, which would have ruled him out of the replay, but on the balance I thought Deegan was nicer to Kerry than Mayo.

Still All to play for though!"
Just to bring a little bit of balance for you, go and look at Clarks kickout for mayos first goal Clark chips the ball out short to keegan and keegan takes 9/10 steps before a hop or a solo is taken, should have been a free in for Kerry.

A few minutes later just before mayos first point Higgins over carries the ball 6/7 steps should have been another free to Kerry.

Donal Vaughan ankle taps a Kerry player and gets no black card.

Jiarmuid O'Connor gets a jab in the chest and goes down holding his throat "simulation" .

Jiarmuid O'Connor also pulled darran O'sullivan down on top of him during the second half and held while darran was trying his best to get back up to help the defence.

Near the end of the game as Tadhg Morley is bursting out of defence with the ball after he off loads to to Sheehan which Sheehan got the last free of the game a Mayo player body collides with him which should have been a black card for the mayo lad.

I haven't watched the game back yet but when I do il get back to you.

Trust me if the ref was to call every little decision for both teams yesterday we would probably have won.

I hope David gough gets the replay he doesn't miss a trick although I'd say he's been kept for the final.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 21/08/2017 11:54:04    2035926

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if donnacha walsh is back next week it will be a big help to kerry.his value was shown yesterday by his absence

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 21/08/2017 11:56:56    2035930

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Mayo voluntarily marginalised both Lee and Aidan yesterday, and correcting those alone will bring a big improvement. Aidan wasn't man marking KD, instead he complicated things by trying to play fullback, and no one with his limited experience of the position should have been given such an on-the-job lesson.

Remarkable that the two oldest players on the pitch were the best on show... and it wasn't just down to experience, they were going full tilt.

Have to laugh at the suggestion that neither side would have beaten the Dubs. Who knows where the Dubs are until they've been presented with intensity and real problems to solve. Same crap was said last year and only breaks saved them then.

Heard the great Jacko suggest that Kerry will pull a selection rabbit out of the hat for next week. Fitzmaurice must be intending to outdo Rochford with a real left fielder... like some insane race to the madhouse! Let's hope our fella has scratched that itch for this year.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 21/08/2017 12:22:09    2035955

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Replying To dstuction:  "You say Keegan and COC could play better but Kerry didn't play to their ability at all.
Its the quietest game Geaney has played for a long time. He was marked well but if he plays to capacity he is unmarkable.

Andy Moran will (should) be marked closer the next game. He played brilliantly but if he was doubled up on then Mayo were in bother.

Mayo people are on about the ref and while I agree some decisions went against ye overall he was fair. Some of Mayo's tackling was shocking and half the team could have got yellows (and second yellows) if he gave all the cards that he should have. Is it coached into them to just swing at the man with fists clenched. No effort to play the ball in most cases (obviously a few great tackles).

When people mention DOC getting punched while the other player rightly got a yellow DOC clearly dived holding his throat when he was caught in the chest. For such a talented player some of his antics annoy the hell out of me.

Donaghy V AOS - the 2 players I dislike most in Ireland. Complete mismatch and it took AOS out of the game. Any midfielder would have done as well (if not better) and let AOS play his game. Mayo are ruining him by constantly playing him out of position. He is a very good Midfielder/Third Midfielder so play him there. Not FF or FB. He is mediocre in both of these positions"
Kerry can play better of course but so can Mayo. Aidan O Se might as well been on the bench. He will have a bigger impact the next day. People ignoring Mayo key players that had a poor game yesterday. It will be another close game but I am 100% backing our lads to take it.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11375 - 21/08/2017 12:24:17    2035957

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Why do some posters always have to rubbis any match they watch. The wise few who recon yesterday was a poor game really don't like their fooball.
That match had everything. I also thought the ref kept the players in check and stopped any messing about off the ball. Yet he also gets critisised.
As for the game. Kerry kept Keegan quiet and Mayo kept AOS quiet.
I think both will play well next week and Mayo should win."
I wonder is that Mayo's plan with A.O'Shea? Keep him out of the forward line? He only slows it up, and you want to go at that Kerry rearguard with pace, which Mayo did superbly yesterday. A lot talking about what went wrong with Aidan sweeping on Donaghy, but look at what went right, when his on occasion pedantic contribution was removed from the forward line. Midfield could be the answer for O'Shea, because it's not in sweeper or defense, and it's looking less and less like it's in the attack either, especially against this specific Kerry team.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3831 - 21/08/2017 12:27:01    2035961

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Yesterday's game was a good entertaining game of football.

However i feel the standard was definitely a good notch below what would be required to beat Dublin. I can't say for Tyrone yet, we'll know more about them obviously next Sunday.

Kerry were shambolic at the back yesterday. The only reason Mayo didn't win was they didn't know how to finish Kerry off. Silly stuff like after having a great start to the match Seamie O'Shea ar*ing around in midfield and the most dangerous ball of all, turn over ball, leading to Kerry's first goal against the run of play. Mayo seem to conspire to think of new ways of shooting themselves in the foot. Giving away silly frees in the first half,kickout failures etc. Kerry should have been beaten by 5 points yesterday.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 21/08/2017 12:47:32    2035978

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Replying To kavvie:  "if donnacha walsh is back next week it will be a big help to kerry.his value was shown yesterday by his absence"
Walsh has hamstring
Thats usually two to three weeks out

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 21/08/2017 12:50:30    2035981

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Lets be honest.

Had Tyrone been involved in half the sledging or off the ball incidents that happened in yesterdays game we would never hear the end of it on here or on the SG.

As our good Lord said 'There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.'

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 922 - 21/08/2017 12:50:39    2035982

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Mayo should have won that by Atleast 3/4 points.

Kerry stuck in it with frees and mostly needless ones at that.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 21/08/2017 13:04:18    2035986

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Kerry can play better of course but so can Mayo. Aidan O Se might as well been on the bench. He will have a bigger impact the next day. People ignoring Mayo key players that had a poor game yesterday. It will be another close game but I am 100% backing our lads to take it."
I tend to agree Mate there seems to be this belief that Kerry are playing below themselves when to be honest they havnt been consistently good at all this year. The reputation seems to be built on the league final this year, yet in context you have to remember the majority of that Dublin team had only been training for two weeks. yet it remains the case they havent beaten a Div 1 side in the championship for years, albeit Galway will be Div 1 in 2018.

I think Kerry will have to change their defensive system next week and drop a sweeper back, the high press bet the Dubs in the league final but the trap has been sprung and the word is out of the space in behind. A sweeper system will negate the high press in phases, so A. O Shea back in midfield to break the lines is a must. What changing defensive strategy mid championship will do for Kerry is anyone's guess. What that might do to free up Mayos half back line and get the running game going could be a crucial decision and a real plus for Mayo. Though for Kerry if they shore it up at the back Moran and O Connor are unlikely to have the same impact as last week, though O Connor despite playing well probably got his least points total this year.

I think Mayo have to work on their game management this week, Kerry were excellent at it yesterday the were clinical and worked their scores well, Mayo missed huge opportunists with rushes of blood to the head and to many players trying to be the hero. Also Kerry played cleverley cynically they fouled in the right places outside of range and the ref allowed them, Mayo fouled in range and Kerry got some pretty straight forward scores which probably got them the draw.

Be interesting to see what a quick game in succession does for both teams, Mayo are very used to playing every week while Kerry are used to having three weeks off between games. Who recovers best could be critical.

Much improvement in both teams for me ive seen Kerry and Mayo play much better.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4460 - 21/08/2017 13:10:00    2035990

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Replying To Wally:  "Lets be honest.

Had Tyrone been involved in half the sledging or off the ball incidents that happened in yesterdays game we would never hear the end of it on here or on the SG.

As our good Lord said 'There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.'"
Or maybe some teams just bring a certain level of scrutiny on themselves over time

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1462 - 21/08/2017 13:12:46    2035993

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Replying To Wally:  "Lets be honest.

Had Tyrone been involved in half the sledging or off the ball incidents that happened in yesterdays game we would never hear the end of it on here or on the SG.

As our good Lord said 'There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.'"
The sad thing is that you're probably right there.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 21/08/2017 13:32:21    2036007

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Replying To Laois76:  "Yesterday's game was a good entertaining game of football.

However i feel the standard was definitely a good notch below what would be required to beat Dublin. I can't say for Tyrone yet, we'll know more about them obviously next Sunday.

Kerry were shambolic at the back yesterday. The only reason Mayo didn't win was they didn't know how to finish Kerry off. Silly stuff like after having a great start to the match Seamie O'Shea ar*ing around in midfield and the most dangerous ball of all, turn over ball, leading to Kerry's first goal against the run of play. Mayo seem to conspire to think of new ways of shooting themselves in the foot. Giving away silly frees in the first half,kickout failures etc. Kerry should have been beaten by 5 points yesterday."
Dublin scored 9 points in the first final last year, 6 from play. A waltz through Leinster is not a guide to future performance. Can't comment on Tyrone, but I give them a chance on Sunday assuming they don't play McCurry in their fb line:) Might still be a novel final this year, who knows.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 21/08/2017 13:56:23    2036018

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Replying To Ban:  "Or maybe some teams just bring a certain level of scrutiny on themselves over time"
True
But what's also true is that some media have a very selective review process on items they wish to discuss when analyzing football matches

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 21/08/2017 13:57:30    2036019

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Great game in terrible conditions. Hope next Saturday is dry day and should allow both teams play better.
Still think kerry will shade it after let off yesterday.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 21/08/2017 14:01:14    2036023

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Anyone else a little unimpressed with Diarmuid O,connors performance. Works hard but failed to really impact.

Would durkins ability to get into scoring positions not suit mayo better while also encouraging him to track and provide cover in the place of diarmuid.Allowing keegan to use the wing.

Mayo have so may good defenders why not use them all and keep a forward in reserve.

Not convinced of Donal Vaughans ability to not foul if he was to be put on Donaghy so for that alone I think osea will stay on him.

I could not believe how long seamie o sea was allowed stay on the field.His distribution is so risky at the best of times but you cant deny his power and ball carrying ability.

Tom parsons to mark Donaghy ? calm composed tall and more importantly free aidan osea.

As for Kerry.
I really don't know. If they play a sweeper in more than likely buckley will that free the likes of keegan.

I get the general feeling that Mayo were trying to stop kerrys best players and in doing so nullified their own. However I think it has switched now Kerry will be mindful of the fact that mayo beat them without osea or keegan. either of those get going that immediately puts a Kerry player on marking duty such as david moran or paul murphy.

royalcounty1 (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 21/08/2017 15:27:49    2036078

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Replying To Wally:  "Lets be honest.

Had Tyrone been involved in half the sledging or off the ball incidents that happened in yesterdays game we would never hear the end of it on here or on the SG.

As our good Lord said 'There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.'"
Sadly this is true. There were 3 obvious incidents yesterday where Kerry players were sledging AOS and not a word about it. If Tiernan McCann or Sean Cavanagh did something similar people would be trying to throw the book at them. Could you imagine what Joe Brolly would have to say if that had been a Tyrone player sledging?

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1903 - 21/08/2017 15:29:27    2036080

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