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The Super 8s would have been better this year than the quarterfinals. The groups would have been Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh, Monaghan Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway 1 of Roscommon, Armagh or Monaghan would have benefited from the easy draw in the same way that Tipp did when playing Galway last year. So really some of the comments on here are frankly just hysterical. I don't like the Super 8s idea but had they been in this year they'd have been way better than the quarterfinals. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 08/08/2017 10:13:41 2030832 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The Super 8s would have been better this year than the quarterfinals. The groups would have been Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh, Monaghan Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway 1 of Roscommon, Armagh or Monaghan would have benefited from the easy draw in the same way that Tipp did when playing Galway last year. So really some of the comments on here are frankly just hysterical. I don't like the Super 8s idea but had they been in this year they'd have been way better than the quarterfinals." Would Galway and Mayo not have been on the other side Whammo? keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/08/2017 10:56:54 2030864 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "Would Galway and Mayo not have been on the other side Whammo?" No Galway as Connacht runners up would be in a different group to the Connacht winners. Mayo beating Cork the Munster runners up would be in the opposite group to Kerry. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 08/08/2017 11:45:08 2030892 Link
I don't agree with Whelan's assessment....no way the Super 8's will be good for the game or the championship. Weaker counties beware of this potential death trap. No more Fermanagh's, Tipperary's, Sligo's, Cavan's, Roscommon's etc ever in a semi-final again. Ever!! dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 12/08/2017 11:02:18 2032555 Link
Agree Dingle. A problem with the Super 8 is that it gives the big guns a better chance to suss out any potential danger to them. Saying playing big teams regularly will help bring the weaker teams on has an element of truth to it but only works to a point. Top teams don't become top teams from being stupid and they will learn as much, or more in fact, from too frequent encounters. They have the more strings in their bow after all. MacManus for Monaghan might have a cracker of a game v Dublin in a one off game for example and catch them out. But the more they play the more the Dubs will learn how to nullify him. Monaghan wouldn't have too many other big options. But the other way round the threat could come from Dublin from literally anywhere. Next day out you'll see a completely different team. How often do we see it in replays. If you don't beat them the first day you've missed your chance. Last year Cavan drew with Tyrone but in the replay they knew exactly how to handle Givney. We got annihilated. This year Roscommon missed the boat against Mayo. Mayo learned the most from the first game. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 12/08/2017 11:40:21 2032561 Link
Replying To dingle2: "I don't agree with Whelan's assessment....no way the Super 8's will be good for the game or the championship. Weaker counties beware of this potential death trap. No more Fermanagh's, Tipperary's, Sligo's, Cavan's, Roscommon's etc ever in a semi-final again. Ever!!" That's not true. There's still luck of the draw. One of Armagh Monaghan or Roscommon would have reached the All Ireland semifinals this season had the Super 8 been in place. They'd have been in a group with Kerry. The super 8 makes it harder for weaker teams to qualify but it's not necessarily that much harder. Whoever wins the match between the qualifiers in each group will have to win 1 of their 2 matches against the Provincial champions in their groups. 1 of those games will be at home also. Dublin v Monaghan in Clones is going to be very different to Dublin v Monaghan in Croke Park. You also have the case where the Croke Park match for the qualifier teams is likely more winnable. So it'd have been Galway v Mayo and Monaghan v Armagh in Croke Park this year. Those are possibly more exciting matches than the quarter final lineups for those teams. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/08/2017 12:33:30 2032574 Link
Replying To dingle2: "I don't agree with Whelan's assessment....no way the Super 8's will be good for the game or the championship. Weaker counties beware of this potential death trap. No more Fermanagh's, Tipperary's, Sligo's, Cavan's, Roscommon's etc ever in a semi-final again. Ever!!" We've won 23 senior Connacht titles,2 senior All-Ireland's and won the minor All-Ireland as recently as 2006 beating yourselves.We appeared in the 2012 and 2014 U21 All-Ireland Finals against the mighty Dubs.We had a terrible day with a young team in Croke Park last Monday but Roscommon is no no means a weaker gaa county as you put it to be categorised in with the likes of Fermanagh who have never even won a senior provincial title. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 12/08/2017 12:38:44 2032575 Link
The goal for the more limited counties is to make the super 8. If you are good enough to make the last 4 then, congrats. Nobody wants a one-sided semi. The GAA are right to try something new and increase revenue, that is what all organisations are about. This is a trial basis. Gaelic championship needs a bit of a do over, but let's be constructive. Keeping the provincial cups gives counties a bit of silverware too. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 12/08/2017 13:44:08 2032582 Link
Replying To dingle2: "I don't agree with Whelan's assessment....no way the Super 8's will be good for the game or the championship. Weaker counties beware of this potential death trap. No more Fermanagh's, Tipperary's, Sligo's, Cavan's, Roscommon's etc ever in a semi-final again. Ever!!" And Dingle2,we've just beaten Kerry U17 in the All semi Final in Ennis by 5 points.We play Tyrone in the Final in Croke Park on August 27. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 12/08/2017 15:40:52 2032596 Link
Replying To endgame: "And Dingle2,we've just beaten Kerry U17 in the All semi Final in Ennis by 5 points.We play Tyrone in the Final in Croke Park on August 27." Congrats on excellent performance today. Was at the game in Ennis and ye were worthy winners. Some of yer point taking in second half was top drawer stuff. Pity no programme for game as I could not identify players but No. 11 and No. 13 excellent. dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 12/08/2017 18:59:58 2032623 Link
Haven't we already got a super 8, it's called Division 1, this is a TV issue, will the GAA give supporters the chance to buy all 3 match tickets for the price of 1? About as much chance of Ireland getting a decent dry sunny summer. If Mayo reach the All Ireland Final supporters will have attended 16 games League and Championship, if we had reached the League final and had lost to Sligo earlier in the Connacht championship we would have to attend 18 games, how many other counties have to play 16 games in 1 season leaving out the FBD League/ McGrath/ O'Byrne/ McKenna Cups, we may have to do a bucket collection at the Dublin Tyrone game to keep us afloat, at least it shortens the winter, yes winter you can't call this season summer, we had better weather at Christmas than now riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 13/08/2017 00:23:44 2032689 Link
Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "The goal for the more limited counties is to make the super 8. If you are good enough to make the last 4 then, congrats. Nobody wants a one-sided semi. The GAA are right to try something new and increase revenue, that is what all organisations are about. This is a trial basis. Gaelic championship needs a bit of a do over, but let's be constructive. Keeping the provincial cups gives counties a bit of silverware too." Agree.Imagine if Roscommon had another game against quality opposition to recover from their trashing from Mayo think about how much it would help them to have the extra game, get to the super 8 and you get more more games against the top quality opposition and more chance of testing yourself and improving potentially. Truth is we have a bunch of cranks in both GAA support and GAA media who whinging about every single change that is made and claim every single change is the GAA losing it's soul. This is probably the most radical change that can possibly be made at the moment as anything else hasn't a hope of getting through and people really need to give it chance before declaring it's doomed to failure , it could be a great thing nobody knows yet. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 13/08/2017 13:06:49 2032723 Link
I disagree. The Gaa have brought in many revolutionary and successful changes but this is NOT one of them. Like the Black Card farce the majority of reasonable GAA supporters know that this change will do nothing for football or for all bar the top 4 counties. However the GAA will get more revenue from TV which is why it was introduced. It will also further disadvantage the club player. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 13/08/2017 13:50:39 2032732 Link
Replying To Westfester: "I disagree. The Gaa have brought in many revolutionary and successful changes but this is NOT one of them. Like the Black Card farce the majority of reasonable GAA supporters know that this change will do nothing for football or for all bar the top 4 counties. However the GAA will get more revenue from TV which is why it was introduced. It will also further disadvantage the club player." This is a step in the right direction. They have to start somewhere. County Boards who are rubbish at organising fixtures are the biggest enemy the club player has. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 13/08/2017 17:08:30 2032789 Link
SKY are the driving force behind this. It's elitism to generate dollars and nothing else. Croke Park are only interested in half a dozen counties and the money they bring in. Brolly is right, they may as well have called it the 'crap 25'. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9703 - 13/08/2017 22:04:32 2032953 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "SKY are the driving force behind this. It's elitism to generate dollars and nothing else. Croke Park are only interested in half a dozen counties and the money they bring in. Brolly is right, they may as well have called it the 'crap 25'." This is the highest level of the sport. It is supposed to be elitist. Maybe we should decide to put weights on the shoulders of all the better teams players so we can have a fairer championship and everyone would be happy then, This is just Brolly's latest hobby horse he'll be on to something different in a while. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 13/08/2017 23:23:43 2033000 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "SKY are the driving force behind this. It's elitism to generate dollars and nothing else. Croke Park are only interested in half a dozen counties and the money they bring in. Brolly is right, they may as well have called it the 'crap 25'." This is the highest level of the sport. It is supposed to be elitist. Sport in general is elitist so why shouldn't Gaelic Football be any different. Nobody complains about the senior football championship in each county being elitist because they din't allow the smaller clubs in. Do people not realise that every county has the same chance of qualify for this Super 8 stage as they did for the quarter finals. Maybe we should put weights on the shoulders of the players from all the stronger counties and even things up that way and therefore we can get rid of this supposed scourge of elitism and the entire championship will just be a complete toss upon that anyone can win. The elitism argument is complete nonsense. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 14/08/2017 09:02:26 2033055 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "This is the highest level of the sport. It is supposed to be elitist. Maybe we should decide to put weights on the shoulders of all the better teams players so we can have a fairer championship and everyone would be happy then, This is just Brolly's latest hobby horse he'll be on to something different in a while." Super 8 is going to be rubbish when attendances start to drop during the round robin the GAA will pull the plug Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 14/08/2017 10:21:45 2033102 Link
Replying To Scarabin: "Super 8 is going to be rubbish when attendances start to drop during the round robin the GAA will pull the plug" But the attendances won't drop if they organise the fixtures well. Good crowds will go to each teams home game because how often do fans get to attend a home championship that late in the year. People are saying it's crap before it has even started , it tells you everything about the GAA fans mindset in general as every single new thing brought in in the GAA is invariably met with this will ruin the GAA I'm losing faith in it rather than having a positive attitude and embracing change. It's only going to be here for a 3 year period so if it isn't a success something else cna be tried so maybe people need to stop being so melodramatic about a small change and see how it goes before making any judgements. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 14/08/2017 10:37:30 2033112 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "But the attendances won't drop if they organise the fixtures well. Good crowds will go to each teams home game because how often do fans get to attend a home championship that late in the year. People are saying it's crap before it has even started , it tells you everything about the GAA fans mindset in general as every single new thing brought in in the GAA is invariably met with this will ruin the GAA I'm losing faith in it rather than having a positive attitude and embracing change. It's only going to be here for a 3 year period so if it isn't a success something else cna be tried so maybe people need to stop being so melodramatic about a small change and see how it goes before making any judgements." Doesnt matter how they are handled If one team gets a trimming the fans will stop going They simply wont spend hard earned money to watch a team they know cant win Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 14/08/2017 11:11:32 2033133 Link