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Super 8's Gonna Be Damp Squib

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Surely the GAA won't allow the dubs have 2 games at crokepark in the super 8.

Surely the dubs could use some of their millions to build a proper stadium fit for purpose, it is the year 2017 after all."
There should definitely be a protest about it mate, it's frankly unfair all the away games every other county gets.

Sitting here hoping we are away in Galway for the league fixture next year.

Personally think the opposition should have the option of a neutral venue for their Croke park option if playing Dublin, would be a win win for everyone except the gaa coffers, its tiresome and unfair on Dublin how much they are exploited just for a few bob.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/08/2017 15:28:03    2029761

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Agree with the first post. This is all about Sky money but it's not a GAA strategy - it's a lack of strategy or vision leaving the GAA with a shortage in revenue needing to be filled from somewhere I.e. Sky.

For the GAA fan the Sky deal will be a turning point which cannot be undone & GAA officials will not be forgotten for that. How many know OAPs who played the game who can't afford Sky, don't go to the pub & are heartbroken all 4 QFs were taken from them? They know from next year it will only get worse and all for 'the diaspora'.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 06/08/2017 15:28:20    2029762

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Surely the GAA won't allow the dubs have 2 games at crokepark in the super 8.

Surely the dubs could use some of their millions to build a proper stadium fit for purpose, it is the year 2017 after all."
Hard to argue with that post but I'm sure a few will. Brace yourself for the "bitterness and pettiness" accusers!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 15:37:04    2029766

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it effectively stops most club football in eight counties for another month
extra games should be at beginning of championship not at the end

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 06/08/2017 15:45:57    2029771

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No big games in Sept also suits Sky as EPL is back in full swing then.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 503 - 06/08/2017 16:08:16    2029777

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super 8's is a disaster and will be boring. too many silly games and makes the chances of a surprise packet getting to a semi impossible.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/08/2017 16:20:50    2029779

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We are in an era of algorhythmic sports science. No fairy tales from now on I'm afraid. The only way of leveling the playing field is a negative ceeding system for winning and financial reward for the bottom of the pile. That's why the NFL in America is a successful competition.

Super 8 is going to expose the disparity even further. We will see dublin and Kerry field u21 teams for their 3rd game. I am not looking forward to it

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 06/08/2017 16:38:31    2029785

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Replying To TheUsername:  "There should definitely be a protest about it mate, it's frankly unfair all the away games every other county gets.

Sitting here hoping we are away in Galway for the league fixture next year.

Personally think the opposition should have the option of a neutral venue for their Croke park option if playing Dublin, would be a win win for everyone except the gaa coffers, its tiresome and unfair on Dublin how much they are exploited just for a few bob."
Like a couple of posters have said in a few other threads, the dubs threatened to boycott the shops and bars in corporate park over a flag , but yet ye lie down when ye'r made play all yer games there.

It's very wrong and unfair and you wouldn't see this favouritism in any other sport.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/08/2017 16:40:16    2029786

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Replying To opa01:  "No big games in Sept also suits Sky as EPL is back in full swing then."
Yeah.The GAA is a massive threat to the Premier League.

The GAA doesn't desperately need sky , they could pull the plug on it in the deal if they really wanted so Sky has absolutely no hold over the GAA like you're stupidly implying.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 06/08/2017 16:41:21    2029787

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Soup or ate !

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 06/08/2017 16:57:31    2029796

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Whether the Super 8 will be a damp squib it is clear that the current football county championship is a damp squib. After 4 months it is yet to kick into gear.

What's needed is to bite the bullet, have provincial championships as stand alones, the All Ireland a stand alone league/group where teams play against teams of a similar level, divide Dublin in 2 and have a proper GAA calendar with off seasons etc.

All pretty easy but I suspect 50 years of procrastination instead.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 06/08/2017 17:26:34    2029804

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Like a couple of posters have said in a few other threads, the dubs threatened to boycott the shops and bars in corporate park over a flag , but yet ye lie down when ye'r made play all yer games there.

It's very wrong and unfair and you wouldn't see this favouritism in any other sport."
Maybe your right mate, maybe all Dublin fans need to protest against playing any games in Croke park. :)

To be fair I enjoy a good away game and really wish we had more.

I'd like to example to play Kerry in PUC as a neutral venue.

Can't see the GAA slautering the cash cow to get honest.

The super 8 thing is funny, did they just introduce it and hope that no one would notice Dublin would end up with the lions share of home games, objectively it's wrong, nothing to do with Dublin mind, it's all the GAA here, I'm sure we will play were told.

I think other counties need t get their county boards in to this,

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/08/2017 17:38:27    2029813

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Maybe your right mate, maybe all Dublin fans need to protest against playing any games in Croke park. :)

To be fair I enjoy a good away game and really wish we had more.

I'd like to example to play Kerry in PUC as a neutral venue.

Can't see the GAA slautering the cash cow to get honest.

The super 8 thing is funny, did they just introduce it and hope that no one would notice Dublin would end up with the lions share of home games, objectively it's wrong, nothing to do with Dublin mind, it's all the GAA here, I'm sure we will play were told.

I think other counties need t get their county boards in to this,"
What was the last Dublin championship away game you enjoyed?:)
I do agree though that if Dublin are going to play the bulk of their Super 8 games in Croker then the competition is even more flawed than it looks. And if the GAA say there aren't enough grounds in the country good enough to host the amount of Dublin fans who may travel then the Super 8 should never have been introduced in the first place because the model for it couldn't have worked. Even Dublin themselves don't have a ground of their own capable of hosting a match which is ridiculous by now. Maybe they should have called it the Super 3 or 4, it would at least have been more realistic.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 18:09:05    2029829

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Replying To tyroneed:  "Whether the Super 8 will be a damp squib it is clear that the current football county championship is a damp squib. After 4 months it is yet to kick into gear.

What's needed is to bite the bullet, have provincial championships as stand alones, the All Ireland a stand alone league/group where teams play against teams of a similar level, divide Dublin in 2 and have a proper GAA calendar with off seasons etc.

All pretty easy but I suspect 50 years of procrastination instead."
I agree IC football is dead no life no atmosphere and to be honest no point in it club football is the only thing that really interests me anymore as all the teams are graded to be competitive follow the hurling model at least its competitive

runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 06/08/2017 18:48:25    2029849

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Replying To kildare73:  "What was the last Dublin championship away game you enjoyed?:)
I do agree though that if Dublin are going to play the bulk of their Super 8 games in Croker then the competition is even more flawed than it looks. And if the GAA say there aren't enough grounds in the country good enough to host the amount of Dublin fans who may travel then the Super 8 should never have been introduced in the first place because the model for it couldn't have worked. Even Dublin themselves don't have a ground of their own capable of hosting a match which is ridiculous by now. Maybe they should have called it the Super 3 or 4, it would at least have been more realistic."
It is absolutely crazy that in this day and age that the dubs with the biggest population and the most money have the smallest stadium in Parnell park.

As for the state of football the GAA is after devouring it's self by making Dublin the only professional team in an amateur Organisation.

Look at the way the hurling has been this year, it's fantastic and anyone of 5/6 teams could beat each other on any given day.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/08/2017 20:23:12    2029905

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Replying To kildare73:  "What was the last Dublin championship away game you enjoyed?:)
I do agree though that if Dublin are going to play the bulk of their Super 8 games in Croker then the competition is even more flawed than it looks. And if the GAA say there aren't enough grounds in the country good enough to host the amount of Dublin fans who may travel then the Super 8 should never have been introduced in the first place because the model for it couldn't have worked. Even Dublin themselves don't have a ground of their own capable of hosting a match which is ridiculous by now. Maybe they should have called it the Super 3 or 4, it would at least have been more realistic."
Portloaide was good fun this year, as was Tralee and enjoyed Cavan as well. Kilkenny last year was great.

Most Dubs I think would prefer more away games, Dublin GAA in general aren't to bothered where we play.

It is difficult to accomadte Dublin though and I suppose it's safety first, I couldn't see anything other then a Leinster semi final being played anywhere else but Croker for no other reason bar safety if I'm being honest.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/08/2017 20:56:55    2029927

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It is absolutely crazy that in this day and age that the dubs with the biggest population and the most money have the smallest stadium in Parnell park.

As for the state of football the GAA is after devouring it's self by making Dublin the only professional team in an amateur Organisation.

Look at the way the hurling has been this year, it's fantastic and anyone of 5/6 teams could beat each other on any given day."
I agree mate a 35k stadium in Dublin would be great and an absolute bear pit.

I'd disagree with the rest of your post though mate, I think we have had a discussion on finance before, so I know your on the wind up here.

Simple truth is other counties just haven't been good enough or off the pitch in terms of play or producing quality.

But the point will never reach consensus, I fear if other counties balm their insecurities on the finance hook they will never develop. It kind of suits .Dublin to own the "it's all about finance" moniker, really the richness if the Dublin model largely goes undetected.

I'm not going to sling mud at Kerry but we have talked before of how well funded they are as opposed to counties with similar populations. There is an arguement there that the GAA are fattening up Kerry to be compeitive especially if you look at finance Vs underage success, the investment just hasn't transferred to senior success yet. I wouldn't begrudge it to Kerry, nor do I think Dublin are underfunded. It's other comparitve counties like a Down, Mayo or .Donegal that are the losers.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/08/2017 21:06:47    2029931

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Portloaide was good fun this year, as was Tralee and enjoyed Cavan as well. Kilkenny last year was great.

Most Dubs I think would prefer more away games, Dublin GAA in general aren't to bothered where we play.

It is difficult to accomadte Dublin though and I suppose it's safety first, I couldn't see anything other then a Leinster semi final being played anywhere else but Croker for no other reason bar safety if I'm being honest."
Kilkenny wasn't an away game, it was a neutral venue v Laois. Neither was portlaoise, it was a neutral venue too v Carlow. In reality Dublin don't have to do away games for some reason. That's why I asked the question. Not putting that on Dublin, that's a GAA issue but it's plainly ridiculous. Portlaoise wasn't deemed to be able to host the Laois game last year so it was moved to kilkenny but yet it could host the Carlow v Dublin game this year with not an extra brick laid in the meantime. The Carlow game this year too could have been in Dr.Cullen Park as there was around 3k less at it than the Carlow venue holds. Weird logic from Headquarters.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 22:04:24    2029959

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I agree mate a 35k stadium in Dublin would be great and an absolute bear pit.

I'd disagree with the rest of your post though mate, I think we have had a discussion on finance before, so I know your on the wind up here.

Simple truth is other counties just haven't been good enough or off the pitch in terms of play or producing quality.

But the point will never reach consensus, I fear if other counties balm their insecurities on the finance hook they will never develop. It kind of suits .Dublin to own the "it's all about finance" moniker, really the richness if the Dublin model largely goes undetected.

I'm not going to sling mud at Kerry but we have talked before of how well funded they are as opposed to counties with similar populations. There is an arguement there that the GAA are fattening up Kerry to be compeitive especially if you look at finance Vs underage success, the investment just hasn't transferred to senior success yet. I wouldn't begrudge it to Kerry, nor do I think Dublin are underfunded. It's other comparitve counties like a Down, Mayo or .Donegal that are the losers."
I don't know what safety has to with ye playing games around the the country!

All big intercounty games are ticketed now and people can safely buy their tickets on line or in SuperValu or centra or their clubs or from a ticket van.

There are plenty of venues like clones Cork thurles with capacities of over 40,000 that could facilitate a stand alone clash with the dubs, at most you'd probably look at 20,000 dubs fans that would travel and a quarter of them would get lost anyway so they'd be no problem with safety or getting the dubs to hit the road or into stadia around the country.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/08/2017 22:14:08    2029962

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I agree mate a 35k stadium in Dublin would be great and an absolute bear pit.

I'd disagree with the rest of your post though mate, I think we have had a discussion on finance before, so I know your on the wind up here.

Simple truth is other counties just haven't been good enough or off the pitch in terms of play or producing quality.

But the point will never reach consensus, I fear if other counties balm their insecurities on the finance hook they will never develop. It kind of suits .Dublin to own the "it's all about finance" moniker, really the richness if the Dublin model largely goes undetected.

I'm not going to sling mud at Kerry but we have talked before of how well funded they are as opposed to counties with similar populations. There is an arguement there that the GAA are fattening up Kerry to be compeitive especially if you look at finance Vs underage success, the investment just hasn't transferred to senior success yet. I wouldn't begrudge it to Kerry, nor do I think Dublin are underfunded. It's other comparitve counties like a Down, Mayo or .Donegal that are the losers."
I know what you are saying and I'm not aiming digs at Dublin here, I am asking a serious question. Do you not think if Dublin were to build that 35k stadium their resources would be depleted as to what they can spend on coaching and the like? Some of the money they currently have available to them would have to be used to build and upkeep their own ground instead of channelling 100% of it into their playing squads. Every other county, big or small, has a county ground to fund from within except Dublin. The Dubs have definitely spent their money well but maybe not necessarily on the same things other counties have had to.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 22:18:00    2029964

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