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Mayos Goal Concession Rate

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Mayo have played 19 QF/SF/AIF matches in the last 7 seasons conceding 26goals.
Average of 1.4 per game conceded.
This is and has been the core problem with this team. Trend continues with 4 goals conceded against Cork and Ros in the last 2 matches

centerfield (Mayo) - 03/08/2017 23:21:11    2028692

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Replying To centerfield:  "Mayo have played 19 QF/SF/AIF matches in the last 7 seasons conceding 26goals.
Average of 1.4 per game conceded.
This is and has been the core problem with this team. Trend continues with 4 goals conceded against Cork and Ros in the last 2 matches"
Bar the freak own goals in the final last year they had tidied things up big time. Unfortunately we have our first choice full back this year so we are allowing easy overlaps as he is being beat out in front every time in every game. Not sure why we can't go back to what we were doing last year.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 09:57:51    2028771

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Bar the freak own goals in the final last year they had tidied things up big time. Unfortunately we have our first choice full back this year so we are allowing easy overlaps as he is being beat out in front every time in every game. Not sure why we can't go back to what we were doing last year."
In fairness the 2 own goals still highlight the problem. Mayo were opened up by Dublin twice and conceded 2 goals. The fact that they last touched Mayo men is irrelevant.

Mayo 1-7 are excellent however I think it's the midfield and half forwards inability to track runners from deep that causes the goals against.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 04/08/2017 10:09:38    2028779

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Bar the freak own goals in the final last year they had tidied things up big time. Unfortunately we have our first choice full back this year so we are allowing easy overlaps as he is being beat out in front every time in every game. Not sure why we can't go back to what we were doing last year."
I wonder why playing Kevin McLaughlin as sweeper last year has been abandoned. He really seemed to be growing into that role. Could they not revert back to playing McLaughlin as the sweeper? You chaps are correct though, conceding 2 goals per game makes it near impossible to beat the big teams.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - 04/08/2017 10:40:42    2028792

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Replying To MesAmis:  "In fairness the 2 own goals still highlight the problem. Mayo were opened up by Dublin twice and conceded 2 goals. The fact that they last touched Mayo men is irrelevant.

Mayo 1-7 are excellent however I think it's the midfield and half forwards inability to track runners from deep that causes the goals against."
They were opened up but they weren't that easily opened up in previous games or even in replay. Something seriously wrong system wise this year.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 10:45:01    2028795

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Replying To MesAmis:  "In fairness the 2 own goals still highlight the problem. Mayo were opened up by Dublin twice and conceded 2 goals. The fact that they last touched Mayo men is irrelevant.

Mayo 1-7 are excellent however I think it's the midfield and half forwards inability to track runners from deep that causes the goals against."
You are spot on Mes i'd even go as far as saying they have the best 6 defenders in the country. To highlight your point further I think they are missing someone like Fenton in midfield who has a great engine and can also win kick outs. Wing forwards like Donncha Walsh and Paul Flynn who will run themselves into the ground and will work their socks off till they have nothing left to give, McLoughlin is able to do that he just needs to be used in the sweeper role like last year while also having a bit more freedom to get forward.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - 04/08/2017 10:52:08    2028801

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "I wonder why playing Kevin McLaughlin as sweeper last year has been abandoned. He really seemed to be growing into that role. Could they not revert back to playing McLaughlin as the sweeper? You chaps are correct though, conceding 2 goals per game makes it near impossible to beat the big teams."
I think that somehow Rochford thinks having Caffrey at 3 lessens the need for a sweeper. He wants to fit Caffrey in no matter what happens. We're better off without him. Vaughan in for me at 6, reshuffle the backs and McLoughlin as sweeper.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 11:16:30    2028812

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Forget the goals the Mayo manager won't give the young lads a chance it's obvious to the whole country that the mayo team needs freshening up cause some of the old guard are not going to win him an all Ireland this year. Why isn't he going with loftus ? Playing Andy Moran is crazy and I don't care if he kicks two points a game he's too slow and slows the whole mayo tempo down he should be brought on near the end not as a starter. Durkan Coen Diarmuid O Conor Regan etc should all be starting it needs a total freshening up imo.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - 04/08/2017 12:10:40    2028850

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Forget the goals the Mayo manager won't give the young lads a chance it's obvious to the whole country that the mayo team needs freshening up cause some of the old guard are not going to win him an all Ireland this year. Why isn't he going with loftus ? Playing Andy Moran is crazy and I don't care if he kicks two points a game he's too slow and slows the whole mayo tempo down he should be brought on near the end not as a starter. Durkan Coen Diarmuid O Conor Regan etc should all be starting it needs a total freshening up imo."
Without Moran Mayo wouldn't get a score. He's the key cog in that forward line. It's not just the score or two he gets. Watch his movement and look at the space he creates.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - 04/08/2017 12:18:27    2028855

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Forget the goals the Mayo manager won't give the young lads a chance it's obvious to the whole country that the mayo team needs freshening up cause some of the old guard are not going to win him an all Ireland this year. Why isn't he going with loftus ? Playing Andy Moran is crazy and I don't care if he kicks two points a game he's too slow and slows the whole mayo tempo down he should be brought on near the end not as a starter. Durkan Coen Diarmuid O Conor Regan etc should all be starting it needs a total freshening up imo."
D O Connor is a starter, have you been watching? And Regan should not be a starter.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 12:36:40    2028871

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "D O Connor is a starter, have you been watching? And Regan should not be a starter."
Or Coen.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 12:56:44    2028881

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Diarmuid O Connor is starting already and he has been quite poor this season, Coen is a defender so I don't see how he would start ahead of Andy Moran? Regan has been very poor this year and shouldn't be near the team.

The problem here in my view is that Rochford didn't give potential new players any kind of run in the league. Regan and Loftus played very little. Loftus only managed to get a starting place because of a wonderful goal V Derry. Rochford is not thinking long term and is terrified of change (or at least terrified of changes that make sense - Not starting Parsons vs Roscommon almost lost us the game).

Unsullied (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 13:18:49    2028900

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Without Moran Mayo wouldn't get a score. He's the key cog in that forward line. It's not just the score or two he gets. Watch his movement and look at the space he creates."
How do we know he never gives any of the kids a chance he's relying on players who haven't been good enough. I know he starts but sometimes he doesn't he needs to be starting more young lads. For every ball Moran wins he's beaten to 4 balls before that he slows the whole tempo down , they've Cillian O Conor whose not quick either so it needs more pace in the full forward. Mayo season will be over if he doesn't make big calls. If Mayo folk think it's going to be like last year were they came good in the final are kidding themselves.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - 04/08/2017 13:32:20    2028910

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Replying To Unsullied:  "Diarmuid O Connor is starting already and he has been quite poor this season, Coen is a defender so I don't see how he would start ahead of Andy Moran? Regan has been very poor this year and shouldn't be near the team.

The problem here in my view is that Rochford didn't give potential new players any kind of run in the league. Regan and Loftus played very little. Loftus only managed to get a starting place because of a wonderful goal V Derry. Rochford is not thinking long term and is terrified of change (or at least terrified of changes that make sense - Not starting Parsons vs Roscommon almost lost us the game)."
Wasn't Tom Parsons not fully fit for the quarter final? That's what the Mayo lads were telling me when I brought it up last Sunday. I'd rather finish the game with him than start and take him off. I agree that Rochford makes bizarre choices, for example his subs v Cork almost cost Mayo. If he hadn't won an All-Ireland with Corofin, I'd label him a spoofer.

CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - 04/08/2017 14:02:09    2028923

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Replying To CletusVanDamme:  "Wasn't Tom Parsons not fully fit for the quarter final? That's what the Mayo lads were telling me when I brought it up last Sunday. I'd rather finish the game with him than start and take him off. I agree that Rochford makes bizarre choices, for example his subs v Cork almost cost Mayo. If he hadn't won an All-Ireland with Corofin, I'd label him a spoofer."
you can still label him a spoofer, the fact that he won with Corofin doesn't cut it with me. They were by far the best club team in Ireland for a number of years.

reffingmad (Roscommon) - 04/08/2017 14:55:07    2028953

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Forget the goals the Mayo manager won't give the young lads a chance it's obvious to the whole country that the mayo team needs freshening up cause some of the old guard are not going to win him an all Ireland this year. Why isn't he going with loftus ? Playing Andy Moran is crazy and I don't care if he kicks two points a game he's too slow and slows the whole mayo tempo down he should be brought on near the end not as a starter. Durkan Coen Diarmuid O Conor Regan etc should all be starting it needs a total freshening up imo."
why didn't he try to convert Paddy Durcan and Keegan into wing forwards is another question.

We have 4-5 other lads who could cover the half back line.

instead he decides to play Durcan at corner back in the league this year and the same with Keegan last year.

centerfield (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 16:55:41    2029019

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Replying To centerfield:  "why didn't he try to convert Paddy Durcan and Keegan into wing forwards is another question.

We have 4-5 other lads who could cover the half back line.

instead he decides to play Durcan at corner back in the league this year and the same with Keegan last year."
I think it's because they're more effective running from deep into space and kicking points. More difficult for them standing, usually man-marked, in a half forward line, with less space to run into. Rochford loves to tinker with the formations, fine if we get the results, but we look less convincing this year.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 04/08/2017 19:01:38    2029069

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I think midfield is a big problem for Mayo. Seamus O Shea and Parsons are good solid players especially in defense but on the ball are average at best.

I watched O Shea against Roscommon the last day and he barely crossed the half way line, I think Mayo need a bit more of a scoring threat as they rely on O Connors frees too much.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - 04/08/2017 20:25:34    2029088

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Mayo are rudderless without Parsons in midfield Look at any game he hasn't started Mayo are all over the place When he comes on he seems to calm things down SOS aginst Roscommon was MIA don't think he got his hands on the ball 10 times For a midfielder very poor But then again he wasn't the only one AOS and COC were just as bad Hoping they can't be as bad again I wonder what will be the obligatory two changes Mayo management will make on Monday

cluichethar (Mayo) - 06/08/2017 00:16:22    2029556

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Agree about Parsons, he's the only midfielder who's currently performing, and has the engine and aerial ability to give Mayo a foothold there against any opposition. Our league seemed to be all about staying up while giving nothing away in terms of tactical direction. Keith Higgins was played at FB for almost every game and I was wondering if this was with a view to increasing mobility there. But then when Caff was available for championship he came back in, which means that the league should have been used to develop a proper backup. Headless stuff! Andy is still a great ball winner, but his role seems to be a substitute for genuine attacking tactics. It's a case of carry the ball or bang it to the wings and let's see if Andy can get there without blowing a gasket. Carrying the ball against a good defense risks turnovers, and needs to mixed with other attacking tactics. It's very hard to look at the players, mileage or not, and the backroom team, which has the credentials necessary on paper, and understand what's going on. Are there too many voices? The lack of focus and direction this year seems to suggest that there are too many chiefs and a lack of ultimate authority. If they win tomorrow the necessary focus might materialize, but the signs haven't been great. Last year the graph was generally upwards during the qualifier journey, but this year it's been pretty flat. At this stage I don't think we'll see anything better against Roscommon, which means that tomorrow will likely be another uncomfortable experience. Whoever wins, the Kingdom lads must already find their thoughts moving to the third Sunday and a game where Donaghy and route one just won't be good enough.

Pericles (Mayo) - 06/08/2017 11:28:31    2029675

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