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Rule Changes

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I've had a look in this this Forum and I see someone complaining about "Hand slap goals" there are a lot of issues with the Black Card and Michael Murphy wrongly on the receiving end of one at the weekend. But it's safe to say that the Mark I think has been the most successful rule change in recent history. Referees are not just under immense pressure with the general rules of Gaelic football and are threw to the Wolves when new rules come in at all levels.

What Rule change would you recommend and why?

I can see a lot of people saying Scrap the black card as it does nothing for the game! a sin bin would be more effective as it would serve more of a purpose as a team would be down a player for 10 minutes rather than one phase of play which is normally immediately after if in shooting range or the team in possession create an attack from the resulting free.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 25/07/2017 09:45:58    2023003

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Forget rule changes and black cards. Refereeing is a seriously tough job, rately will both sets of supporters be happy with him. Improve communication and decision-making between the 7 in-game officials and the 8th official off the pitch. Have a more consistent applications of the rules, using common sense sometimes rather than following the letter of the law in every single case. And encourage referees to proactively talk to players advising them they're close to committing an infringement rather than waiting for rules to be broken and hand out cards like Postman Pat on a powertrip.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 25/07/2017 10:06:05    2023018

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At senior intercounty level all umpires should be second tier intercounty referees. We have to remove this practice of referees picking any Joe soap to umpire for them

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 25/07/2017 10:26:18    2023031

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Change all 'Noting' offences to 'Free-only' offences. The reason we see so many cards is not the poor judgment of the referee but the fear of the referee that he will get a poor mark from the assessor if he misses a noting infraction. So since a pull on the jersey is a noting offence.

1st pull on the jersey = noted
2nd pull on the jersey = yellow card
3rd pull on the jersey = red card

That is very harsh in a game that is built around tackling and contact.

Monaghansclown (Monaghan) - Posts: 174 - 25/07/2017 11:06:51    2023059

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Restrict the handpass to max of 3 in a row.
Outlaw the two man tackle (or ruck as it looks like sometimes)

Both should go hand in hand.
First one forces the ball to be kicked as soon as possible.
2nd one makes half the blanket defence obsolete

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 25/07/2017 11:18:06    2023070

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Forget rule changes and black cards. Refereeing is a seriously tough job, rately will both sets of supporters be happy with him. Improve communication and decision-making between the 7 in-game officials and the 8th official off the pitch. Have a more consistent applications of the rules, using common sense sometimes rather than following the letter of the law in every single case. And encourage referees to proactively talk to players advising them they're close to committing an infringement rather than waiting for rules to be broken and hand out cards like Postman Pat on a powertrip."
I totally agree that communication could be a massive issue, take the Michael Murphy incident into account, how do you tell that he was going to make an infringement? Same can be said about any challenge Connolly on the the linesman or any foul committed that happens in a split second. I don't think anyone expected Cavanagh to pull down McManus on that lovely summers day in HQ

I get this point from a underage level but these lads are the top level of our sport, no doubt played the top level through underage, development squads and for schools and colleges and are well aware of the rules, they should not have to be told what in a free and what isn't but some teams or individuals go out and live on the edge and try bend rules in order to get the upper hand which makes things even harder for the ref and its all part and parcel of the game

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 25/07/2017 11:19:46    2023072

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Replying To Find_the_space:  "I've had a look in this this Forum and I see someone complaining about "Hand slap goals" there are a lot of issues with the Black Card and Michael Murphy wrongly on the receiving end of one at the weekend. But it's safe to say that the Mark I think has been the most successful rule change in recent history. Referees are not just under immense pressure with the general rules of Gaelic football and are threw to the Wolves when new rules come in at all levels.

What Rule change would you recommend and why?

I can see a lot of people saying Scrap the black card as it does nothing for the game! a sin bin would be more effective as it would serve more of a purpose as a team would be down a player for 10 minutes rather than one phase of play which is normally immediately after if in shooting range or the team in possession create an attack from the resulting free."
Would the sin bin not be just as conroversial?i mean its the application of the black card that people are crying about rather than the actual rule so the same calls would be resulting in a sin bin?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 25/07/2017 11:54:04    2023101

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Restrict the handpass to max of 3 in a row.
Outlaw the two man tackle (or ruck as it looks like sometimes)

Both should go hand in hand.
First one forces the ball to be kicked as soon as possible.
2nd one makes half the blanket defence obsolete"
Yawn!!!

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/07/2017 11:54:29    2023103

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Blatant black card should be a penalty, that would soon stop lads taking one for the team

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 25/07/2017 12:02:48    2023113

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Restrict the handpass to max of 3 in a row.
Outlaw the two man tackle (or ruck as it looks like sometimes)

Both should go hand in hand.
First one forces the ball to be kicked as soon as possible.
2nd one makes half the blanket defence obsolete"
Tell the barman to order you a taxi ASAP.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 25/07/2017 12:20:46    2023125

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Replying To achara:  "Would the sin bin not be just as conroversial?i mean its the application of the black card that people are crying about rather than the actual rule so the same calls would be resulting in a sin bin?"
Achara, I know where you're coming from, like all matters it is up to the referees discretion what they feel what the infringement deserves. With this comes variation and questionable decisions from all referees.

As a punishment, to receive a black card and be replaced moments after the infringement is it really a punishment?

As for the person that said replace (Joe Soap) Umpires with officials, from my knowledge most referees use other referees to umpire for them or trusted people within their club and county.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 25/07/2017 12:25:11    2023129

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Replying To achara:  "Would the sin bin not be just as conroversial?i mean its the application of the black card that people are crying about rather than the actual rule so the same calls would be resulting in a sin bin?"
My problem with the black card is it's ineffective when needed the most.

In the dying parts of a game someone can make the decision to commit a cynical foul knowing that the penalty for doing so isn't that big.

Then you get marginal calls early in the game and a player can be off for the rest of the game even though the foul was very borderline and maybe not even in a scoreable zone.

I'd make the black card a yellow card and the ball automatically brought forward 14 yards.

A black card foul inside the 21 and D should be a penalty. So increasing the area where you can "safely" get a black card towards the end of the game.

It always amazed me that the black card is supposed to punish fouls like Sean Cavanagh's v Monaghan a few years ago. The current rules would not discourage him in anyway of doing the same again.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 25/07/2017 12:31:05    2023139

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In both hurling & football, I'd like to see black & yellow cards replaced by the Sin Bin.

Offences to be sin binned for:

Tackles above the neck
Diving
Foul language
(Others ....??)

If a player comes back from the Sin Bin & in binned again, Red. I think it would solve so much in Gaelic Games.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 25/07/2017 12:39:54    2023147

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We over complicate our game, ref's have struggled for years with 2 cards and making poor decisions with that but instead of making it easier we go and add another card and make it harder for them...

ErneCountyFan (Fermanagh) - Posts: 6 - 25/07/2017 12:42:51    2023150

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Replying To Whammo86:  "My problem with the black card is it's ineffective when needed the most.

In the dying parts of a game someone can make the decision to commit a cynical foul knowing that the penalty for doing so isn't that big.

Then you get marginal calls early in the game and a player can be off for the rest of the game even though the foul was very borderline and maybe not even in a scoreable zone.

I'd make the black card a yellow card and the ball automatically brought forward 14 yards.

A black card foul inside the 21 and D should be a penalty. So increasing the area where you can "safely" get a black card towards the end of the game.

It always amazed me that the black card is supposed to punish fouls like Sean Cavanagh's v Monaghan a few years ago. The current rules would not discourage him in anyway of doing the same again."
Yeah i agree that it's useless,most cynical fouls take place when the game is in the melting pot and black card in no way discourages them,if you get the chance to stop a clear goalcsoring opportunity you're gonna take it with no real consequences !

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 25/07/2017 14:36:19    2023260

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Replying To Whammo86:  "My problem with the black card is it's ineffective when needed the most.

In the dying parts of a game someone can make the decision to commit a cynical foul knowing that the penalty for doing so isn't that big.

Then you get marginal calls early in the game and a player can be off for the rest of the game even though the foul was very borderline and maybe not even in a scoreable zone.

I'd make the black card a yellow card and the ball automatically brought forward 14 yards.

A black card foul inside the 21 and D should be a penalty. So increasing the area where you can "safely" get a black card towards the end of the game.

It always amazed me that the black card is supposed to punish fouls like Sean Cavanagh's v Monaghan a few years ago. The current rules would not discourage him in anyway of doing the same again."
Do you long for the days when we could all enjoy tackles like the one in this link? link People say the black card has been no help but when last did you see as unsporting a piece of play as that? And your proposal to have all black card fouls inside the 21 given as penalties just puts even more pressure on referees. The rules of the game are fine as they are now, you will never please everyone.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 25/07/2017 16:35:49    2023341

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Replying To Soma:  "Do you long for the days when we could all enjoy tackles like the one in this link? link People say the black card has been no help but when last did you see as unsporting a piece of play as that? And your proposal to have all black card fouls inside the 21 given as penalties just puts even more pressure on referees. The rules of the game are fine as they are now, you will never please everyone."
I wouldn't say the rules are "fine" I do however, like the new Mark rule I thought it would be a mess to be honest. Like soccer should denying a clear goal scoring opportunity result in a red card?

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 26/07/2017 12:50:43    2023813

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