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Replying To hill16no1man: "Well you are making that many mistakes here that your giving me the feeling your far from a genius.
for one in not the person who goes on about o Carroll and have never called him roc and secondly your assuming everything without any idea who I am, I have already told you I played inter county at underage all the way up so again just because I am a poster on here means I could not possibly be a good player haha that's absolutely ridiculous.
plus you must think ciaran kilkenny is a real fool by your logic he shows no life goals what do ever as he turned his back on a professional sport to play for Dublin, he hasn't done too bad in my book." You're. I'll just leave that there seeing as you are saying I am far from a genius. Probably best to get the basics right when you're having an incoherent rant.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 20/07/2017 16:03:08
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Replying To jimbodub: "I can see the logic in what he did. Yes.
I don't see your logic comparing his comments to the sort Jim McG made.
I've no problem with anything Jim McG has done in the past but his recent enough article was sensationalist nonsense and bordered on a character assassination attempt to damage Gavin.
Almost as if he was just waiting for an opportunity." a character assassination?? how much of the McGuinness article did you actually read? he said its one of the only mistakes Gavin made as Dublin manager in an opening statement. Gavin's own words which you stand by are 'there's no doubt in my mind' that the Sunday Game panel influenced the disciplinary hearing. How can he say that without anything to back it up?
McGuinness gave examples of his own experience with the disciplinary committee on how the player from the opposition team stood up for his player in writing and it was dismissed as nothing by the committee. McGuinness laid out facts and formed a reasonable opinion from them. That is far from sensationalist nonsense.
I'll give Jim Gavin this much credit though, the creation of a siege mentality is indeed alive and well on here.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Lol where to start. i never called anyone a fool, who is making assumptions now, good luck." He didn't say you called someone a fool.
Just saying
So perhaps save your Laughing out loud and actually read what he said.. no?
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Replying To jimbodub: "He didn't say you called someone a fool.
Just saying
So perhaps save your Laughing out loud and actually read what he said.. no?" Eh he assumes I think Kilkenny is a fool. Listen we are going nowhere. As you have seen before on here I have defended the Dubs and their team on many occasions but this whole Connolly thing has been laughable to be honest. There is literally no talking to some of you. And Gavin can do no wrong in the eyes of most Dubs even when he is talking s###e.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 20/07/2017 17:05:08
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Replying To TheFlaker: " Replying To jimbodub: "He didn't say you called someone a fool.
Just saying
So perhaps save your Laughing out loud and actually read what he said.. no?" Eh he assumes I think Kilkenny is a fool. Listen we are going nowhere. As you have seen before on here I have defended the Dubs and their team on many occasions but this whole Connolly thing has been laughable to be honest. There is literally no talking to some of you. And Gavin can do no wrong in the eyes of most Dubs even when he is talking s###e."
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/07/2017 17:07:05
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I just don't see your comparison as in any way corresponding
Liking what Gavin said about a pitch to what Jim Mc's said is ridiculous
Accusing a fellow GAA man of bringing the game into disrepute and demanding he apologises in the national media... compared to what Gavin said... about a pitch
It's simply chalk and cheese and even Donegal posters have agreed it was completely OTT and even nonsense
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 20/07/2017 17:23:54
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Replying To TheFlaker: "You're. I'll just leave that there seeing as you are saying I am far from a genius. Probably best to get the basics right when you're having an incoherent rant." ah the old public school boy attitude comes out when your in trouble
hmmm i wonder where we have seen that before, using the spelling police to highlight typos
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/07/2017 19:37:20
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Replying To jimbodub: "He didn't say you called someone a fool.
Just saying
So perhaps save your Laughing out loud and actually read what he said.. no?" no pointing arguing with him he just assumes everything he has me confused with a certain other poster for starters
then just ignores the points made in a post if it doesnt suit his agenda
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/07/2017 19:38:55
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Replying To TheFlaker: " Replying To jimbodub: "He didn't say you called someone a fool.
Just saying
So perhaps save your Laughing out loud and actually read what he said.. no?" Eh he assumes I think Kilkenny is a fool. Listen we are going nowhere. As you have seen before on here I have defended the Dubs and their team on many occasions but this whole Connolly thing has been laughable to be honest. There is literally no talking to some of you. And Gavin can do no wrong in the eyes of most Dubs even when he is talking s###e."
kilkenny done that did he not?
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/07/2017 19:41:04
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I think Gavin has played the whole Connolly issue very well. Going for a three in a row, the biggest concern for him would be motivation. Creating an 'Everybody hates us' siege mentality is the perfect way to make the players hungry. Also having Connolly chomping at the bit to prove a point to the nation just strengthens his position all the more.
It's the smart play in my opinion, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
As for big Jims comments about bringing the game into disrepute. I think he probably went that bit too far to ensure a bit of controversy. An aspect of punditry/journalism that unfortunately doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon
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Replying To hill16no1man: " Replying To TheFlaker: "[quote=jimbodub: "He didn't say you called someone a fool.
Just saying
So perhaps save your Laughing out loud and actually read what he said.. no?" Eh he assumes I think Kilkenny is a fool. Listen we are going nowhere. As you have seen before on here I have defended the Dubs and their team on many occasions but this whole Connolly thing has been laughable to be honest. There is literally no talking to some of you. And Gavin can do no wrong in the eyes of most Dubs even when he is talking s###e."
kilkenny done that did he not?"]First of all I didn't say that. I said you can't say for sure you would or not cos you never have or will be in that position. Just because Murphy and Kilkenny did doesn't mean you can make a flippant comment about Jim Mc choosing soccer, your comment was silly. And I didn't confuse you with any poster, I never said it was you who was giving ROC grief. Maybe you should try reading my posts properly. I know what poster it was and I know what posters I have debated with in the past. But you keep messaging you buddy for back up. Siege mentality yawn.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 20/07/2017 21:16:03
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a character assassination?? how much of the McGuinness article did you actually read? he said its one of the only mistakes Gavin made as Dublin manager in an opening statement. Gavin's own words which you stand by are 'there's no doubt in my mind' that the Sunday Game panel influenced the disciplinary hearing. How can he say that without anything to back it up?
McGuinness gave examples of his own experience with the disciplinary committee on how the player from the opposition team stood up for his player in writing and it was dismissed as nothing by the committee. McGuinness laid out facts and formed a reasonable opinion from them. That is far from sensationalist nonsense.
I'll give Jim Gavin this much credit though, the creation of a siege mentality is indeed alive and well on here.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1421 - 20/07/2017 16:20:25 2
Agree with you, tbh this whole is only getting air time because Charlie Redmond said about McGuinness. Understandable coming from such a shining beacon of sportsmanship from back in the day like Charles Redmond who in fairness knows those depths well (AI Final sending off 1995).
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 20/07/2017 21:49:42
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Replying To hill16no1man: "again how would you know if i had experience at any level?
you dont know who i am" enlighten us on how close you were to being a top player so
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Replying To hill16no1man: "no i think as a manager he was excellent with donegal both at under 21 and senior
i just dont think hes a good pundit
you cannot go on about disadvatages he had at donegal
and not point out the clear opposite he had at celtic and make him out to be a saint for choosing to go to a poor league like scotland where the rest are operating a clear level below his club and now hes gone to china where theres only one thing going in that league as an attraction money." its actually a half decent break for him in the game as well as money seeing as hes a complete outsider, only got his badges not so long ago, hes an excellent pundit, nobody is making him out to be a saint, the lad achieved incredible things with donegal, he is providing for his family, he had very little employment opportunities in donegal, he even managed them for a year juggling the celtic job
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2017 22:23:52
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Yes I often found it to be a bit over the top as well. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery. It wasn't Jim's fault a host of other counties tried to ape what he first put into practice. We've seen in the intervening years that other teams, such as Dublin especially, learned to evolve and counter the blanket successfully. Why didn't teams put more emphasis into thinking of a way around it? No, it was much easier to just try to copy it even though many, if not all teams neither had the resources nor the wherewithal to adopt it properly.
Perhaps more worryingly, was the extreme criticism mainly because someone from a less well established county had the gumption to rock the boat in terms of the way we think of the game? Donegal always produced good players and decent teams but never really had the drive or total commitment needed to seriously challenge for the major honours. We'd usually have a big performance in us now and then, before usually imploding in a series of hand-passes and indiscipline when the team reached the business end of things.
Jim brought us to a higher plain where we started to bloody the noses of the "bigger teams". Maybe certain people from certain parts of the country would rather we just slip back to the bad old days and leave the contesting of the All Ireland to Dublin & Kerry as it rightfully should be?" the abuse tyrone received is similar just was on a more extreme level, not by us gladly as i dont think we could be accused of being big anti tyrone compared to some of the hatred people from certain other counties have for them or those teams in the 00s
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2017 22:25:33
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Replying To hill16no1man: "no i dont look down at anybody
the question was asked would i choose inter county over a big pay day with a soccer club and i gave my honest answer
as for me its what i would prefer and make me happy.
im not suggesting mcguinness doesnt feel happier what i suggested is he shouldnt be made out to be a saint for doing it that was his choice.
you cannot harp on about disadvantages of donegal and then go to a league where theres only one team and the rest micky mousers and still make him out to be a saint and even more so now that he left that league for a league that has only one thing to attract people money in the guise of the chinese league.
my original point about mcguinness anyway was that as a pundit i think hes poor and i gave my reasons
but as a manager i thaught he was brilliant, he changed the whole mentality in a county, was fed up loosing a certain way and changed that to bring success and devloped from ultra defensive one year to an exciting counter attacking team the following year. he deserves massive credit for that. i already say i dont listen to redmond as a pundit as i think hes poor and dont agree with him." but he wasnt managing celtic, this seems lost on you, he was doing a job, making a career choice in his area of expertise, its nothing to do with donegal or the level of competition, englighten me on what other opportunities mcguinness was going to get in soccer being a total outsider?
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Replying To jimbodub: "Why shouldn't he?
He didn't do an interview because of a blatant self serving agenda on the Sunday game where even pat's own colleagues complained about Spillane's handingling of the Connolly incident.
Jim Mc comes out with
"Bringing the game into disrepute"
Sensationalist drama queen nonsense." big jim gavin fan but blaming a rock concert for a lad getting a black card isnt nonsense?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2017 22:29:10
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Replying To Forpucksake: "I think Gavin has played the whole Connolly issue very well. Going for a three in a row, the biggest concern for him would be motivation. Creating an 'Everybody hates us' siege mentality is the perfect way to make the players hungry. Also having Connolly chomping at the bit to prove a point to the nation just strengthens his position all the more.
It's the smart play in my opinion, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
As for big Jims comments about bringing the game into disrepute. I think he probably went that bit too far to ensure a bit of controversy. An aspect of punditry/journalism that unfortunately doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon" players need to be motivated alright but some fans take the whole mind games craic way too seriously as if they remotely matter, this thread seriously lacks basic objectivity
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Replying To SaffronDon: "is it really though? If a player from my own county acts a fool I'll call him one. does that mean im not a fan of my county??" that post originally said fanboy/ or homer, ...i do think people need to be a little more objective about their own alright
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "Can't agree with you flaker, I am with hill on this 100%.
Michael Murphy recently took part in a swop with Liam Williams the Welsh rugby player which saw Murph spend time with a professional French team. Murph did very well & was asked if he would consider swopping playing amateur GAA with Donegal for professional rugby & he said no.
The GAA & Donegal were in his blood & knowing hill as I do the GAA & Dublin are part of his DNA & I would have been amazed to have heard him say anything different." i believe its very easy to talk like that when you havent received much of a chance at the other life, like how many of us in all honestly wouldnt consider professional soccer or another of the big sports if we were good enough at the sport
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/07/2017 22:45:00
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