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Super 8 this year would be exciting

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Whilst I'm not without my criticism of the Super 8 I've got to admit if it were here this year it'd be very exciting, possibly more so than the quarterfinals with Dublin unlikely to have much of a test. You'd have Galway v Donegal and Mayo v Cork to join Tyrone and Dublin in one group. 2 from Monaghan, Armagh, Down or Kildare to join Kerry and Roscommon in the other group.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 16/07/2017 18:58:30    2017594

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Correct and that is why it's a really good idea.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - 16/07/2017 19:15:02    2017614

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Whilst I'm not without my criticism of the Super 8 I've got to admit if it were here this year it'd be very exciting, possibly more so than the quarterfinals with Dublin unlikely to have much of a test. You'd have Galway v Donegal and Mayo v Cork to join Tyrone and Dublin in one group. 2 from Monaghan, Armagh, Down or Kildare to join Kerry and Roscommon in the other group."
The thing I like most about the Super 8 is the home/away/Croke Park structure. On current form we would seriously struggle against any of Mayo, Tyrone or Dublin in Croke Park - however taking one of them up to Ballybofey is a different ball game. Will be interesting to see how it pans out next year.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - 17/07/2017 14:59:17    2018198

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "The thing I like most about the Super 8 is the home/away/Croke Park structure. On current form we would seriously struggle against any of Mayo, Tyrone or Dublin in Croke Park - however taking one of them up to Ballybofey is a different ball game. Will be interesting to see how it pans out next year."
Because taking Longford up to Ballybofey was a different ball game? I think its a case where Donegal Flattered to deceive in the league but are not the force they were in the McGuinness years, but definitely have the scope and talent to get back there in the coming seasons if the right structures are in place!

LongfordSham (Longford) - 18/07/2017 09:37:24    2018489

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Super 8 will be great for those Super 8. Their extra media exposure will give them more endorsement opportunities on top of their share from the extra games. I can't help but think it'll widen the standards gap between the Super 8 and the not great 8. If you're from a bottom 16 county currently you'll be lucky to see 2 minutes of your teams match including the managers speaking. But the game shown on Sunday Game live that day will take top billing on the Sunday Game that night??? While the analysts big up the Super 8 and condescendingly talk about a B championship. I think the Super 8 will eat itself.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 18/07/2017 10:04:43    2018502

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Replying To LongfordSham:  "Because taking Longford up to Ballybofey was a different ball game? I think its a case where Donegal Flattered to deceive in the league but are not the force they were in the McGuinness years, but definitely have the scope and talent to get back there in the coming seasons if the right structures are in place!"
they still have not lost a game in ballbofey in 6/7 years.

ulster83 (Tyrone) - 18/07/2017 10:06:35    2018504

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Replying To LongfordSham:  "Because taking Longford up to Ballybofey was a different ball game? I think its a case where Donegal Flattered to deceive in the league but are not the force they were in the McGuinness years, but definitely have the scope and talent to get back there in the coming seasons if the right structures are in place!"
Well to be honest I think if we were away from home or at a neutral venue that game might have been even closer than it was! We've a great record in Ballybofey that wouldn't be given up easily is what I mean - while I don't think we'd beat Dublin in Championship this year, if we had them in Ballybofey I'd be more confident than in Croke Park.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - 18/07/2017 10:08:09    2018506

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Whilst I'm not without my criticism of the Super 8 I've got to admit if it were here this year it'd be very exciting, possibly more so than the quarterfinals with Dublin unlikely to have much of a test. You'd have Galway v Donegal and Mayo v Cork to join Tyrone and Dublin in one group. 2 from Monaghan, Armagh, Down or Kildare to join Kerry and Roscommon in the other group."
For the sake of arguing potentially one group you would have Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo and Donegal In group 2 Kerry, Roscommon, Kildare, Monaghan. Even with the super 8 those groups look imbalanced.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - 18/07/2017 10:45:26    2018518

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Replying To ulster83:  "they still have not lost a game in ballbofey in 6/7 years."
So you're saying that playing games at the latter end of the championship in your own county is an advantage of some sort? Shhhhh! That kind of talk isn't allowed here!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - 18/07/2017 10:57:19    2018528

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Super 8 will be great for those Super 8. Their extra media exposure will give them more endorsement opportunities on top of their share from the extra games. I can't help but think it'll widen the standards gap between the Super 8 and the not great 8. If you're from a bottom 16 county currently you'll be lucky to see 2 minutes of your teams match including the managers speaking. But the game shown on Sunday Game live that day will take top billing on the Sunday Game that night??? While the analysts big up the Super 8 and condescendingly talk about a B championship. I think the Super 8 will eat itself."
Yeah I think if there was a better qualifying competition with more games for all teams that would improve the idea. A slightly expanded competition would also improve it in my eyes. 3/4 teams right now would be practically guaranteed a spot. Increasing to 12 teams wouldn't dilute the quality too much but would make qualification for it that little bit more realistic. I also agree there's too much coverage of the top teams at this time of year. Some of the more exciting matches are going to come between evenly matched teams a little bit outside overall contention.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 18/07/2017 10:58:56    2018530

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Question is, Will the GAA Maintain their overpriced tickets and expect the guts of £25-£40 per game. Only people this benefits is the GAA

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - 18/07/2017 11:49:41    2018555

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has anyone been told what the tv rights deal for these super 8 games will be. looking at the round 3 and 4 qualifiers this year, they seem to be all on SKY. you have Armagh v Kildare and Monaghan v Down both on Sky. you had the 2 games last weekend on SKY aswell I believe.

s goldrick (Cavan) - 18/07/2017 13:06:26    2018600

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "For the sake of arguing potentially one group you would have Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo and Donegal In group 2 Kerry, Roscommon, Kildare, Monaghan. Even with the super 8 those groups look imbalanced."
What games look imbalanced?

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - 18/07/2017 13:49:06    2018635

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You have counties I would rank 1, 3, 4 and 5 in Group 1 and counties ranked 2, 6, 7 and 8 in group 2. My point being even with the super 8's 4 of the top 5 counties will be in one group. Let's just say if I was the county ranked 2nd I would be delighted to be in group 2.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - 18/07/2017 14:47:07    2018688

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "For the sake of arguing potentially one group you would have Dublin, Tyrone, Mayo and Donegal In group 2 Kerry, Roscommon, Kildare, Monaghan. Even with the super 8 those groups look imbalanced."
I agree which ever team has to play Dublin in the 'neutral' Croke Park match will have 2 away games as opposed to 1 for every team in the Super 8

Galantis (USA) - 18/07/2017 14:50:05    2018690

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "You have counties I would rank 1, 3, 4 and 5 in Group 1 and counties ranked 2, 6, 7 and 8 in group 2. My point being even with the super 8's 4 of the top 5 counties will be in one group. Let's just say if I was the county ranked 2nd I would be delighted to be in group 2."
If I was the county that had 2 games at Home guaranteed, Home Semi and Final Home provincial games bar maybe the odd neutral game vs a Minnow, had more than half the funding and god knows how much more Sponsorship €€€€€€€€€€ rolling in I'd be over the Moon

Galantis (USA) - 18/07/2017 15:11:02    2018700

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Is there any argument for moving Dublin's "neutral" Croke Park game to another ground. PUC for example (unless they were playing Cork)? Would the opposition rather still play them in Croke Park?

the_walls (Mayo) - 18/07/2017 15:47:34    2018737

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Be Jesus the paranoia just making a simple comparison between what would be in group 1 and 2. I never mentioned anything about fairness life isn't fair if the GAA was about fairness then our southern friends wouldn't have been allowed to dominate a hurling province for 100 years were football is a distant 2nd in each of the other competing counties. Relax boyo's can there not be a discussion on anything without your anti dub bias taking hold.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - 18/07/2017 16:13:39    2018763

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Be Jesus the paranoia just making a simple comparison between what would be in group 1 and 2. I never mentioned anything about fairness life isn't fair if the GAA was about fairness then our southern friends wouldn't have been allowed to dominate a hurling province for 100 years were football is a distant 2nd in each of the other competing counties. Relax boyo's can there not be a discussion on anything without your anti dub bias taking hold."
More tin foil hattery. What was anti Dub? My reading of the comment was that the Roscommon took it as a slight on the abilities of Roscommon by virtue of the fact that they and the other "lesser" teams were in a group with Kerry and the perceived implication was that Kerry had a handy group in comparison to the other group. I could of course be totally wrong but for the life of me I cannot see any anti Dublin bias in the comment.

the_walls (Mayo) - 19/07/2017 15:52:23    2019354

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To be fair actually, looking at Galantis' last post, the way it is written could be considered anti Dublin but there is a kernel of truth in what he says. In the Super 8s, Dublin get 2 home games and 1 away game, whereas everyone else gets 1 home game, 1 away game and 1 neutral game in Croke Park , except for the team that gets to play Dublin in Croke Park in the neutral game, who end up with two away games in practice. Life indeed is not fair but the GAA should strive to make things as far as possible. As I say, could there be an argument for Dublin's "neutral" Croke Park being outside of Croke Park?

the_walls (Mayo) - 19/07/2017 15:59:05    2019360

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