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Replying To TheRightStuff: "Nothing new with WMCs comments .
The abuse thrown at Ulster sides is disgusting.
Roscommon had 15 players behind the ball for about 70% v Galway - not a mention .
McCreery was a good player but like many hasn't a clue about the modern game so who cares.
Probably a bitter man .
He must love watcing Munster and Connacht football ." Am I not right in thinking that you said last year you would no longer go and watch your own county while they played the style of football they were playing?
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Replying To lilywhite1: "No, actually he loves watching Down play. Ulsterman failed to mention that in his post. In the actual interview Willie aid that he loves Down's attacking pedigree and is delighted to see Down in the Ulster final." In fairness I never heard of anyone in the south give out about Down football, personally i lobe watching them play.
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A vineyard with sour grapes is always plentiful in bitter wine.
Sounds like you're on the shaded side of the slope.
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I don't remember him either, anyway he must have been fairly sickened when Cass kicked that winning point in 2011, ohh the pain inflicted by the Ulstermen!!
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Replying To royaldunne: "In fairness I never heard of anyone in the south give out about Down football, personally i lobe watching them play." Guys - all counties play defensive. If you's cannot see that then I don't know.
Donegal play extremely defensive - do I like it ? No is the answer .
The sad part is the hypocrisy from people . Absolute myth about Down playing 'lovely football '
They will flood their defense tomorrow .
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Replying To TheRightStuff: "Guys - all counties play defensive. If you's cannot see that then I don't know.
Donegal play extremely defensive - do I like it ? No is the answer .
The sad part is the hypocrisy from people . Absolute myth about Down playing 'lovely football '
They will flood their defense tomorrow ." Couldn't have said it better myself.
This constant broad brush approach to labelling teams or styles of play without any proper analysis is sickening.
Down will probably go out tomorrow and play much more defensively than Tyrone but because a fella on the TV said that Tyrone play a particular way one time then the rest of the country follow suit without actually applying any free thought.
Few facts for you guys who cannot think for yourselves.
-Down have not played their 'brand' of football from since the 90s.
-Tyrone constantly rack up huge scores and could easily be described as an attacking team rather than defensive.
-Almost all counties including most South of the border use sweepers/blankets and endless hand passes.
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Replying To TheRightStuff: "Guys - all counties play defensive. If you's cannot see that then I don't know.
Donegal play extremely defensive - do I like it ? No is the answer .
The sad part is the hypocrisy from people . Absolute myth about Down playing 'lovely football '
They will flood their defense tomorrow ." While Down may play somewhat defensively tomorrow,TheRightStuff, they have historically played attractive attacking football.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I don't remember him either, anyway he must have been fairly sickened when Cass kicked that winning point in 2011, ohh the pain inflicted by the Ulstermen!!" Well naturally all Kildare supporters were sickened by that one point win especially as Kildare were denied a legitimate goal earlier. In case you think that I'm biased, Eamon McGee has recently said in his newspaper column that he couldn't understand why the goal wasn't allowed.
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Replying To lilywhite1: "While Down may play somewhat defensively tomorrow,TheRightStuff, they have historically played attractive attacking football." Yeah 20 years ago.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 15/07/2017 18:18:54
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Replying To TheRightStuff: "Guys - all counties play defensive. If you's cannot see that then I don't know.
Donegal play extremely defensive - do I like it ? No is the answer .
The sad part is the hypocrisy from people . Absolute myth about Down playing 'lovely football '
They will flood their defense tomorrow ." Correct. All the top teams play much the same kind of football. Massed defences, quick transition to massed attack; long kickouts; short kickouts; hand passing; foot passing; whatever it takes. Cynicism, fouling etc. I watch games with as open a mind as I can, and I see very little difference in style or approach. Some teams, like Dublin, are just a wee bit better than everybody else right now. But anyone who claims that there is something "unique" about Ulster football is a poor analyst - ignorance, prejudice and nostalgia where there should be objective analysis. In some instances, these GAA-moaners strike me as needing to see a shrink.
Generally though, just as I think all modern pop music is rubbish and not a patch on what I listened to as a teenager, it's probably the case that anyone who played football before e.g. 2010 is hardly qualified to speak about modern football. They may have been great in their day, but they no longer understand what's going on; and they're too set in their ways to learn new tricks. The game has moved on massively; the old positions and approaches are gone. The likes of Spillane and Brolly are simply unable to analyse the game in front of them in a rational / objective manner. Instead, they comment on the game they would like to see (error-ridden, hit and hope stuff from the old days) and they cover up their lack of knowledge by endless bitching and condescension.
Here's a good article - I wish the Brolly and Pat would read it - forget all this old last-century stuff about 'backs, midfields and forwards' - there are only seven positions on a modern Gaelic football team:
1. Man-marker
2. Channel blocker
3. Line breaker
4. Midfield anchor
5. Midfield linkman
6. Shooter
7. Point of attack
See:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.html
Sadly, instead of trying to clue up about it, these bitter old ex-genius players but modern-day know-nothings crawl out of the woodwork periodically to relive the footballing equivalent of the steam age and bitch tediously about the present.
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Replying To lilywhite1: "Well naturally all Kildare supporters were sickened by that one point win especially as Kildare were denied a legitimate goal earlier. In case you think that I'm biased, Eamon McGee has recently said in his newspaper column that he couldn't understand why the goal wasn't allowed." Yeah I enjoyed the disallowed goal too.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 15/07/2017 18:28:08
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Replying To essmac: "Correct. All the top teams play much the same kind of football. Massed defences, quick transition to massed attack; long kickouts; short kickouts; hand passing; foot passing; whatever it takes. Cynicism, fouling etc. I watch games with as open a mind as I can, and I see very little difference in style or approach. Some teams, like Dublin, are just a wee bit better than everybody else right now. But anyone who claims that there is something "unique" about Ulster football is a poor analyst - ignorance, prejudice and nostalgia where there should be objective analysis. In some instances, these GAA-moaners strike me as needing to see a shrink. Generally though, just as I think all modern pop music is rubbish and not a patch on what I listened to as a teenager, it's probably the case that anyone who played football before e.g. 2010 is hardly qualified to speak about modern football. They may have been great in their day, but they no longer understand what's going on; and they're too set in their ways to learn new tricks. The game has moved on massively; the old positions and approaches are gone. The likes of Spillane and Brolly are simply unable to analyse the game in front of them in a rational / objective manner. Instead, they comment on the game they would like to see (error-ridden, hit and hope stuff from the old days) and they cover up their lack of knowledge by endless bitching and condescension. Here's a good article - I wish the Brolly and Pat would read it - forget all this old last-century stuff about 'backs, midfields and forwards' - there are only seven positions on a modern Gaelic football team: 1. Man-marker 2. Channel blocker 3. Line breaker 4. Midfield anchor 5. Midfield linkman 6. Shooter 7. Point of attack See: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.htmlSadly, instead of trying to clue up about it, these bitter old ex-genius players but modern-day know-nothings crawl out of the woodwork periodically to relive the footballing equivalent of the steam age and bitch tediously about the present."
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 15/07/2017 18:35:39
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Replying To essmac: "Correct. All the top teams play much the same kind of football. Massed defences, quick transition to massed attack; long kickouts; short kickouts; hand passing; foot passing; whatever it takes. Cynicism, fouling etc. I watch games with as open a mind as I can, and I see very little difference in style or approach. Some teams, like Dublin, are just a wee bit better than everybody else right now. But anyone who claims that there is something "unique" about Ulster football is a poor analyst - ignorance, prejudice and nostalgia where there should be objective analysis. In some instances, these GAA-moaners strike me as needing to see a shrink. Generally though, just as I think all modern pop music is rubbish and not a patch on what I listened to as a teenager, it's probably the case that anyone who played football before e.g. 2010 is hardly qualified to speak about modern football. They may have been great in their day, but they no longer understand what's going on; and they're too set in their ways to learn new tricks. The game has moved on massively; the old positions and approaches are gone. The likes of Spillane and Brolly are simply unable to analyse the game in front of them in a rational / objective manner. Instead, they comment on the game they would like to see (error-ridden, hit and hope stuff from the old days) and they cover up their lack of knowledge by endless bitching and condescension. Here's a good article - I wish the Brolly and Pat would read it - forget all this old last-century stuff about 'backs, midfields and forwards' - there are only seven positions on a modern Gaelic football team: 1. Man-marker 2. Channel blocker 3. Line breaker 4. Midfield anchor 5. Midfield linkman 6. Shooter 7. Point of attack See: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.htmlSadly, instead of trying to clue up about it, these bitter old ex-genius players but modern-day know-nothings crawl out of the woodwork periodically to relive the footballing equivalent of the steam age and bitch tediously about the present."
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Replying To lilywhite1: "While Down may play somewhat defensively tomorrow,TheRightStuff, they have historically played attractive attacking football." Historically ?
When 1991-1995 .
The football in the 60s was catch and hoof it to anyone .
Even when i look back at Donegal in 1992 it looks poor now .
Kildares cynical fouling in 2011 was something to behold .
Anyway we were new on the block then.
We were savage in 2012- what a year .
Nearly done it in 2014.
Scored 3-14 against the Dubs.
Not bad was it
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Replying To essmac: "Correct. All the top teams play much the same kind of football. Massed defences, quick transition to massed attack; long kickouts; short kickouts; hand passing; foot passing; whatever it takes. Cynicism, fouling etc. I watch games with as open a mind as I can, and I see very little difference in style or approach. Some teams, like Dublin, are just a wee bit better than everybody else right now. But anyone who claims that there is something "unique" about Ulster football is a poor analyst - ignorance, prejudice and nostalgia where there should be objective analysis. In some instances, these GAA-moaners strike me as needing to see a shrink. Generally though, just as I think all modern pop music is rubbish and not a patch on what I listened to as a teenager, it's probably the case that anyone who played football before e.g. 2010 is hardly qualified to speak about modern football. They may have been great in their day, but they no longer understand what's going on; and they're too set in their ways to learn new tricks. The game has moved on massively; the old positions and approaches are gone. The likes of Spillane and Brolly are simply unable to analyse the game in front of them in a rational / objective manner. Instead, they comment on the game they would like to see (error-ridden, hit and hope stuff from the old days) and they cover up their lack of knowledge by endless bitching and condescension. Here's a good article - I wish the Brolly and Pat would read it - forget all this old last-century stuff about 'backs, midfields and forwards' - there are only seven positions on a modern Gaelic football team: 1. Man-marker 2. Channel blocker 3. Line breaker 4. Midfield anchor 5. Midfield linkman 6. Shooter 7. Point of attack See: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.htmlSadly, instead of trying to clue up about it, these bitter old ex-genius players but modern-day know-nothings crawl out of the woodwork periodically to relive the footballing equivalent of the steam age and bitch tediously about the present."
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Replying To Soma: "People who believe the game is incredibly scientific love referring to that article despite it making very little sense. Who is the 'shooter' on the Dublin or Kerry teams?" All of them :D
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Replying To Ulsterman: "So a former Kildare footballer called Willie McCreery has been lambasting Ulster football calling it horrible and unwatchable?? I can honestly say I have never heard of the guy such is the impression he made on Gaelic football; maybe that's why he is now a horse trainer? The truth is that without the Ulster Championship this year, where the best games have been, Gaelic football would be a dross. Tomorrow we will witness another Leinster coronation for Dublin which will be over by the tenth minute. Maybe Willie can give us another view after that?" If you haven't heard of him then maybe you only started watching football in 2002 when the Ulster teams destroyed football. So that explains why you don't think that was such a bad thing. You didn't see any football in the 90s. What were you into instead? Sega mega drive?
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Replying To TheRightStuff: "Historically ?
When 1991-1995 .
The football in the 60s was catch and hoof it to anyone .
Even when i look back at Donegal in 1992 it looks poor now .
Kildares cynical fouling in 2011 was something to behold .
Anyway we were new on the block then.
We were savage in 2012- what a year .
Nearly done it in 2014.
Scored 3-14 against the Dubs.
Not bad was it" Yes we all know you had a good run since that win over Kildare in 2011.
As regards Down If you read the historical records it was Joe Lennon and the Down team who brought the game into the modern era in the 1960's winning 3 All-irelands in that decade; 1960, 1961 and 1968. They were far from being a "catch and Hoof" team. In fact they were a breath of fresh air with their free flowing style Joe himself wrote a coaching manual that was published in the 1960's and was regarded as revolutionary in GAA terms at the time. Down, the first Ulster team to win an All-Ireland set the stage for the rest of Ulster to follow.
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