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Replying To Furlong1949: "Meaths sucess in 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and 90s was not just down to being hard that makes no sense whatsoever. There was plenty of hard teams in that period. In the last 80 years only kerry and Dublin have been more sucessful for Meath. The reasons were sucessful not coz they were hards. The reasons are below
Paddy O Brien The greatest full back of all time. The King of Full backsize. Full back on the team of the century.
M O Brien P O Brien McConnell - The greatest full back line in the history of gaelic football.
Peter McDermont- At his peak the best footballer in Ireland in the 40s and 50s
Jack Quinn The best full back of his generation. And at his peak the best footballer in Ireland in the 60s
Pat Reynolds Snr In the sixties one of the best wing backs in Ireland
Pat Red Collier Famous Meath wing back from the 60s
Mattie Kerrigan At his peak the best centre forward in Ireland
Ken Rennicks One of the greatst players never to win All Ireland
Joe Cassells Legendary Meath captain
Mick Lyons the best full back in Ireland in the 1980s
Robbie O Malley One of the greatest corner backs of all time. Michael Muiritigh said he was the best corner back he ever saw
Martin O Connell The greatest wing back number 7 of all time. The only modern player on the team of the Millennium
McEntee and Hayes One of the best midfield partnership of last 40 years.
O Rourke Stafford Flynn One of the greateSt full forwards lines of all time
C O Rourke In the mid 1980s the best forward footballer in Ireland
B Stafford One of the greatest free taker s of all time
B Flynn Between 1987 -1991 The best corner forward in Ireland
Tommy Dowd In the mid 90s one of the best forwards in Ireland
Darren Fay The best full back of his generation the best full back of the 90s.
John McDermont At his peak the best midfielder in Ireland
Galway Gerathy All star wing back wing forward and full forward. One of the most talented footballers of the last 40 years
Ollie Murphy Between 1999 2001 The best corner forward in Ireland
Trevor Giles Two time footballer of the year. One of the greatest if not the greatest centre forward of the last 40 years
Fr Tully one of the best manager coaches of the 40s 50s 60s
Peter McDermont One of the best manager coach of the 60s
Sean Boylan The second most sucessful manager of all time and some consider the greatst manager of all time." Ollie Murphy Between 1999 2001 The best corner forward in Ireland
Wow, spanning two decades.
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Meath are going no where fast, Their new manager has brought nothing this year they were one of the first teams back training this year and were fitter than anyone during the league and got a few results like us last year but got shown up against Kildare played 15 men behind the ball against a weak sligo side and lost to a Donegal in transition last weekend.
A few of Meaths fans big them up and make ridiculous statements and predictions but until they invest in underage and get a top manager in they will be behind the top teams in Leinster
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Replying To Furlong1949: "So the reason Meath were so sucessful in therror last 80 years was not because of hardness maybe it because they had some of the best defenders ( O Brien Quinn Lyons Fay O Connell O Malley) some of the best midfieldersolution ( Meegan Hayes McEntee McDermont) and some best forwards ( McDermont O Rourke Stafford Giles Geraghty) and some of the best managers( Fr Tully McDermott Boylan ) of all time. That's the reason. Even a Kildare or Cavan supporter ( counties that obsessively hate Meath with passion ) would begrugery admit this." The GAA was going for well over a half a century before Meath made the break through and that break through would not have come were it not for the farmers from other parts of deprived Ireland been given land to farm in the early 1930's, and that is the truth.
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Yes Meath were not sucessful in the early parts of the GAA. Cavan and Kildare were superpowers in the early days. But some reasons Meath and Down swapped places with both counties after 1940. Yes the migration from the west brought a love of Gaelic football. But is to simplified a reason for Meaths sucess. Why?
Well leaving Dublin to one side the county with the biggest west of Ireland migration/ population after Mhi would be Kildare. The county after Mhi with the highest number of people from the Western seaboard living outside the provience would be Kildare. There is a massive Galway population in Kildare. So if Meaths sucess was down to what you say how come another county like Kildare that had as much migration had much less sucess then Meath.
The reasons why Meath had sucess is because of you guys Louth and Kildare and Dublin. The second reason is Meath have produced about 10 individuals who were some greatest players and individuals the GAA has seen. Men like Peter McDermont Paddy O Brien Jack Quinn Colm O Rourke Trevor Giles Father Tully Sean Boylan. Men who were remarkable individuals who drove Meath to sucess. And would stand out in era. Men that sucessful Meath teams sucess was built around.
The second reason is the rivalries on Meaths borders. No county in Ireland has more rivalries on their border then Meath and Tippearey. Both counties have 9 counties on their border. The difference though is Tipp are surrounded by hurling counties which have been successful. Meath are surrounded by great football counties starved of sucess with the exception of Dublin. The battles with these rival neighbouring counties have been the making of Meath footballers. It does not matter where you are the county. You have a rival on your doorstep. We have kildare coming up at the south of the county . To the west we have the great Midlands counties of Offaly and Westmeath. To thenorth we have louth and the whole province of Ulster( Cavan Monaghan) bearing down on us. And to the east the metropolis Dublin. The battles with Louth in the 40s and 50s , the battles with Dublin in the 40s 50s 70s 80s and 90s, the battles with Westmeath and Kildare 90s , battles with Offaly in the 60s and 90s. All those battles Where the making of those Meath teams. It meant after those local derby's those Meath teams were battle harden and ready to take on anyone in the country.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/07/2017 17:04:05
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Replying To THE_SNAPPER: "The GAA was going for well over a half a century before Meath made the break through and that break through would not have come were it not for the farmers from other parts of deprived Ireland been given land to farm in the early 1930's, and that is the truth." I'd say it kills you even typing the word Meath so much bitterness you really need to build a bridge (and don't put that one on your county crest)
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Give the manager a bit of time and I think he will make Meath very competitive once again. Fans expect too much too quickly. It takes time to develop the supporting structures in the way that he wants and he needs support, time and space to make solid progress that won't be in danger of disappearing overnight again.
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Meath are not as bad as many people want them to be. We are not Division 3 or 4 team. We are top Division 2 team . That has finished 3rd 3 times in the last 4 years. We have lost out to promotion by point difference scoring difference and head to head. Surely we are next in line to get promoted. McEntee does not have to be a genius of a manager to get us from a position of finishing 11th 3 times in four years in the league to 10th. It's very attainable .
If Meath get into Division 1 and stay there then Meath will make an impact in thr championship. If we get promoted next year. We will be in Division 1 in 2019. Allot of our young players will be reaching their peak age of 25 26. While teams like Dublin will be older and their will be allot of great Dublin players retiring at the end of this decade. It will be very interesting to see how Dublin will cope with the retirement of Cluxton and Co. Maybe it will be no problem to them to replace Cluxton Brogan and McMahon. Time will tell.
Meath have not been in Division 1 a 8 team Division since 2001. And have not been in Division 1 year after year since late 90s. Meath spent 14 of the last 16 years in div 2. Get into Division 1 and stay and Meath will make an impact.
We have a very young team. One of the youngest in the country take out Burke and Reilly , the average age is 22 23. These players under right management are only going to get better. When they reach 25 26 age mark in the 2019 2020 2021 seasons I think.Meath will make an impact in the championship in these years. And I believe leinster title and maybe more is attainable . It will take time and ups and downs. But Meath do have some good young footballers eg Keoghan McGill Conlon Menton Rooney Sullivan Forde McEntee McMahon and Rowe. All these players are 23 are under exception of Menton lenihan and Keoghan who are 25. Thsee players can only get better.
Andy McEntee is the best manager we have had since Boylan. This year was clearing out thr bad petrol out of the system. In a managers first year it is always up and down as he gets use to players.
Look at Kildare in their first season under O Neill they were dreadful last year v Westmeath and Clare in Croker. It took 3 years before Walsh made an impact in Galway. Pat Gilroy had a nightmare first season or two with Dublin. While in Hurling Kingston in Cork had a dreadful fist season. Look at this year. While managers like Jimmy Barry Murphy and Nicholas English had some bad seasons before they turned Tipp and Cork sucessful on the 90s.
The fact is it takes time to have an impact. Alot of these Meath young players have had bad experiences at underage and senior in the Meath jersey. It will take allot of work for McEntee to sort this out. But given time . And while there haa been no improvement terms of championship and league placing . I have seen improvements in fitness and there is more fight in this Meath team then I have seen in a while.
Yes Meath have had little underage sucess. However work had been done. I expect in the new under 17 and under 20 age groups more provincial sucess in the coming years. If it doesn't happen after all the work been done questions must be asked. It must be said must of Meaths 95% of their Sam wins had no underage sucess. The great team of the 80season had no underage sucess whatsoever between O Rourke Lyons and Co. And Meath would be similar to Cork hurlers and down footballers they can come from nowhere.
I find it strange that people are completely righting of group of 22 and 23 year olds. No one knows how good or bad they can be. They are in their first year of a five period. They are three years off their peak. Judge them in 2019. Meath are not as bad as many people want them to be. There is potential.
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Yes Meath were not sucessful in the early parts of the GAA. Cavan and Kildare were superpowers in the early days. But some reasons Meath and Down swapped places with both counties after 1940. Yes the migration from the west brought a love of Gaelic football. But is to simplified a reason for Meaths sucess. Why?
Well leaving Dublin to one side the county with the biggest west of Ireland migration/ population after Mhi would be Kildare. The county after Mhi with the highest number of people from the Western seaboard living outside the provience would be Kildare. There is a massive Galway population in Kildare. So if Meaths sucess was down to what you say how come another county like Kildare that had as much migration had much less sucess then Meath.
The reasons why Meath had sucess is because of you guys Louth and Kildare and Dublin. The second reason is Meath have produced about 10 individuals who were some greatest players and individuals the GAA has seen. Men like Peter McDermont Paddy O Brien Jack Quinn Colm O Rourke Trevor Giles Father Tully Sean Boylan. Men who were remarkable individuals who drove Meath to sucess. And would stand out in era. Men that sucessful Meath teams sucess was built around.
The second reason is the rivalries on Meaths borders. No county in Ireland has more rivalries on their border then Meath and Tippearey. Both counties have 9 counties on their border. The difference though is Tipp are surrounded by hurling counties which have been successful. Meath are surrounded by great football counties starved of sucess with the exception of Dublin. The battles with these rival neighbouring counties have been the making of Meath footballers. It does not matter where you are the county. You have a rival on your doorstep. We have kildare coming up at the south of the county . To the west we have the great Midlands counties of Offaly and Westmeath. To thenorth we have louth and the whole province of Ulster( Cavan Monaghan) bearing down on us. And to the east the metropolis Dublin. The battles with Louth in the 40s and 50s , the battles with Dublin in the 40s 50s 70s 80s and 90s, the battles with Westmeath and Kildare 90s , battles with Offaly in the 60s and 90s. All those battles Where the making of those Meath teams. It meant after those local derby's those Meath teams were battle harden and ready to take on anyone in the country." Meath border seven counties: Louth, Dublin, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath, Cavan and Monaghan.
Tipp border eight counties: Clare, Galway, Offaly, Laois, Kilkenny, Waterford, Cork and Limerick.
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Your welcome to division 1 unless u have a huge panel of 25 and more really good players and can shake it up from match to match ur at nothing in it only flogging the same 18 to 20 players every match cause every match is a must win hyped up by media
I'll gladly come 4th or 5th in division 2 blood another 10 young lads and concentrate on championship and remember we've won div 4 3 2 titles and got to a division 1 semi its only a hyped up stamina killer thatll die completely when super 8s comes in and whatever that evolves into
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Meath are not as bad as many people want them to be. We are not Division 3 or 4 team. We are top Division 2 team . That has finished 3rd 3 times in the last 4 years. We have lost out to promotion by point difference scoring difference and head to head. Surely we are next in line to get promoted. McEntee does not have to be a genius of a manager to get us from a position of finishing 11th 3 times in four years in the league to 10th. It's very attainable .
If Meath get into Division 1 and stay there then Meath will make an impact in thr championship. If we get promoted next year. We will be in Division 1 in 2019. Allot of our young players will be reaching their peak age of 25 26. While teams like Dublin will be older and their will be allot of great Dublin players retiring at the end of this decade. It will be very interesting to see how Dublin will cope with the retirement of Cluxton and Co. Maybe it will be no problem to them to replace Cluxton Brogan and McMahon. Time will tell.
Meath have not been in Division 1 a 8 team Division since 2001. And have not been in Division 1 year after year since late 90s. Meath spent 14 of the last 16 years in div 2. Get into Division 1 and stay and Meath will make an impact.
We have a very young team. One of the youngest in the country take out Burke and Reilly , the average age is 22 23. These players under right management are only going to get better. When they reach 25 26 age mark in the 2019 2020 2021 seasons I think.Meath will make an impact in the championship in these years. And I believe leinster title and maybe more is attainable . It will take time and ups and downs. But Meath do have some good young footballers eg Keoghan McGill Conlon Menton Rooney Sullivan Forde McEntee McMahon and Rowe. All these players are 23 are under exception of Menton lenihan and Keoghan who are 25. Thsee players can only get better.
Andy McEntee is the best manager we have had since Boylan. This year was clearing out thr bad petrol out of the system. In a managers first year it is always up and down as he gets use to players.
Look at Kildare in their first season under O Neill they were dreadful last year v Westmeath and Clare in Croker. It took 3 years before Walsh made an impact in Galway. Pat Gilroy had a nightmare first season or two with Dublin. While in Hurling Kingston in Cork had a dreadful fist season. Look at this year. While managers like Jimmy Barry Murphy and Nicholas English had some bad seasons before they turned Tipp and Cork sucessful on the 90s.
The fact is it takes time to have an impact. Alot of these Meath young players have had bad experiences at underage and senior in the Meath jersey. It will take allot of work for McEntee to sort this out. But given time . And while there haa been no improvement terms of championship and league placing . I have seen improvements in fitness and there is more fight in this Meath team then I have seen in a while.
Yes Meath have had little underage sucess. However work had been done. I expect in the new under 17 and under 20 age groups more provincial sucess in the coming years. If it doesn't happen after all the work been done questions must be asked. It must be said must of Meaths 95% of their Sam wins had no underage sucess. The great team of the 80season had no underage sucess whatsoever between O Rourke Lyons and Co. And Meath would be similar to Cork hurlers and down footballers they can come from nowhere.
I find it strange that people are completely righting of group of 22 and 23 year olds. No one knows how good or bad they can be. They are in their first year of a five period. They are three years off their peak. Judge them in 2019. Meath are not as bad as many people want them to be. There is potential." Meath were last in Division One in 2006.
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Look at McStay this year. Look at his first year in the championship. In his second year this year he delivered the title. It's take 2 or 3 years for a manager to sort things out . In the first year a manager is finding out about his players and they are getting used to the manager. A manager knows his players better after 12 months. Look at McStay in Roscommon O Neill in Kildare Walsh in Galway Kingston in Cork how all.had bad first year or 2 and then made an impact. It takes time. I have never seen a group of 22 and 23 year olds completely written so much. People are wanting them to be unsuccessful. There is potential. When they reach the age of 25 and 26 in the 2019 2020 2021 we will see how good they are now. Judge McEntee in 2018 and especially 2019 . I think it could take 2 more years to get us going. Allot of these players have bad experiences at underage and senior level with Meath. McEntee needs to work on this. And this year there has been an improvement in area of thsf the second half collaspes have stopped. Leaving the 2 Kildare games to one side. In every game in the league and championship Meath finished the game very strongly. We could not win a second half under the previous manager. This area has improved. Under Boylsan Meath were the best team in the country in the last 15 mins of a game. This is where we won so many titles. The fitness and fighting to the end has improved under the McEntees.
Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country with young talent and a strong management and great tradition. There are allot of positive there. But getting into Division 1 is essential. Staying there in Division 1 is the key to sucess. It's not impossible.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/07/2017 18:27:53
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Replying To OLLIE: "Meath were last in Division One in 2006." Nope Division 1 in 2006 was 16 team Division. The last time Meath were in a proper division 1 with a proper 8 teams was 2001 the last year they were in an All Ireland final.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/07/2017 18:53:48
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Nope Division 1 in 2006 was 16 team Division. The last time Meath were in a proper division 1 with a proper 8 teams was 2001 the last year they were in an All Ireland final." It was still Division One whether there was eight or sixteen teams in it.
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Replying To OLLIE: "Meath border seven counties: Louth, Dublin, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath, Cavan and Monaghan.
Tipp border eight counties: Clare, Galway, Offaly, Laois, Kilkenny, Waterford, Cork and Limerick." OK my maths is wrong by 1. But I still think all those rivalries on our borders where it doesn't matter where you are in the county there is a rival on your doorstep . And the games between neighbouring counties have been the making of Meath teams that won All Irelands. Have led to Meath eams and players with a never say die spirit. The battles between Meath and Louth in the 40s and 50s were legendary. The making of both teams. One of the few times in history you had three great teams on each others border eg Cavan Meath and Louth. Cavan v Meath final in early 50s is the only time along Offaly v Galway 71 Tyrone v Armagh 2003 Cork v Kerry 09 you had two teams in a football final who were bordering counties .
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Replying To OLLIE: "It was still Division One whether there was eight or sixteen teams in it." Fait enough.
But the point is when Meath were last in Division 1 year after year we were a force. Getting into Division 1 has to be the main priority. For a team that had finished 3rd 3 times in 4 years in Division 2 losing out on point difference scoring difference and head to head. It had to be attainable. The next step will be to stay there. I hope if we get promoted in 2018 our players will be 25 or so in 2019. Hopefully be able physically for div 1. We have one of the smallest teams in thr country. Until they reach the 25 26 age mark they hopefully ave better physique and a couple of years in therror gym to deal with div 1. That's what I'm hoping for. Who knows what's going to happen. But getting into Division 1 is essential for this Meath teams growth. They are not ready now to play div 1. Another year in div 2 wouldn't do them any harm. But they need to get promotion asap.
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Replying To OLLIE: "It was still Division One whether there was eight or sixteen teams in it." I have to admit Ollie that I never liked that setup and always regarded Division 1B as the poor relation. They done so much tinkering with the league in those times it was borderline criminal. We actually win Division 2 in 2007 beating Roscommon but never actually seen
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Look at McStay this year. Look at his first year in the championship. In his second year this year he delivered the title. It's take 2 or 3 years for a manager to sort things out . In the first year a manager is finding out about his players and they are getting used to the manager. A manager knows his players better after 12 months. Look at McStay in Roscommon O Neill in Kildare Walsh in Galway Kingston in Cork how all.had bad first year or 2 and then made an impact. It takes time. I have never seen a group of 22 and 23 year olds completely written so much. People are wanting them to be unsuccessful. There is potential. When they reach the age of 25 and 26 in the 2019 2020 2021 we will see how good they are now. Judge McEntee in 2018 and especially 2019 . I think it could take 2 more years to get us going. Allot of these players have bad experiences at underage and senior level with Meath. McEntee needs to work on this. And this year there has been an improvement in area of thsf the second half collaspes have stopped. Leaving the 2 Kildare games to one side. In every game in the league and championship Meath finished the game very strongly. We could not win a second half under the previous manager. This area has improved. Under Boylsan Meath were the best team in the country in the last 15 mins of a game. This is where we won so many titles. The fitness and fighting to the end has improved under the McEntees.
Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country with young talent and a strong management and great tradition. There are allot of positive there. But getting into Division 1 is essential. Staying there in Division 1 is the key to sucess. It's not impossible." McStay was in a joint management last year and if you call reaching D1 league semi final and losing a provincial final after a replay a bar year I'd love to hear how you describe the year McEntee just had
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Replying To Richieq: "I have to admit Ollie that I never liked that setup and always regarded Division 1B as the poor relation. They done so much tinkering with the league in those times it was borderline criminal. We actually win Division 2 in 2007 beating Roscommon but never actually seen" Down through the years the GAA always did tinkering with the league. Louth were in Division one in 2007 and were relegated to Division three in 2008 when they restricted the leagues.
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Fait enough.
But the point is when Meath were last in Division 1 year after year we were a force. Getting into Division 1 has to be the main priority. For a team that had finished 3rd 3 times in 4 years in Division 2 losing out on point difference scoring difference and head to head. It had to be attainable. The next step will be to stay there. I hope if we get promoted in 2018 our players will be 25 or so in 2019. Hopefully be able physically for div 1. We have one of the smallest teams in thr country. Until they reach the 25 26 age mark they hopefully ave better physique and a couple of years in therror gym to deal with div 1. That's what I'm hoping for. Who knows what's going to happen. But getting into Division 1 is essential for this Meath teams growth. They are not ready now to play div 1. Another year in div 2 wouldn't do them any harm. But they need to get promotion asap." Yeah as far as I know Armagh were the last team to win the All Ireland when they were not playing in Division one back in 2002. They beat Kerry who were also not playing in Division one.
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Replying To Furlong1949: "OK my maths is wrong by 1. But I still think all those rivalries on our borders where it doesn't matter where you are in the county there is a rival on your doorstep . And the games between neighbouring counties have been the making of Meath teams that won All Irelands. Have led to Meath eams and players with a never say die spirit. The battles between Meath and Louth in the 40s and 50s were legendary. The making of both teams. One of the few times in history you had three great teams on each others border eg Cavan Meath and Louth. Cavan v Meath final in early 50s is the only time along Offaly v Galway 71 Tyrone v Armagh 2003 Cork v Kerry 09 you had two teams in a football final who were bordering counties ." Haha you said 9 so you were 2 out. You can add in Tipp and Laois in 1889 as another final were two neighbouring counties played each other. Was it in 1949 or 1952 when Meath played Cavan that two brothers were playing against each other?
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