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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Out of interest what was our foul count?

I haven't seen it printed anywhere."
Dubs going on about Kerry being cynical; like a fella behind the counter stealing pound notes out of the till chastising a customer who got shoplifting!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/07/2017 16:13:57    2011567

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Replying To Adamski:  "Oh so that's a valid enough excuse, that's good to know. Team in transition, hardly at this stage. Sure Donaghy, Walsh, Maher, Moran, Young etc., are hardly in the first flush of youth. Simple fact is Kerry have become cynical. Have a look at the stats from the league etc. Commentators never mention it though."
"Kerry have become cynical"...Kerry have always been cynical but because of this notion that Kerry are the aristocrats of football people turn a blind eye to it ( Sunday game). Ask Billy Morgan who the most cynical Team He has encountered and the answer will be the saviours of football from the south west.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 06/07/2017 16:20:32    2011570

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Replying To jacktheDub:  ""Kerry have become cynical"...Kerry have always been cynical but because of this notion that Kerry are the aristocrats of football people turn a blind eye to it ( Sunday game). Ask Billy Morgan who the most cynical Team He has encountered and the answer will be the saviours of football from the south west."
Jack would you say dublin our too? please tell me one team who has ambition to win all ireland who's not?

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 06/07/2017 16:32:39    2011574

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My point is because of the notion that Kerry are the saviours of football they don't get the criticism others get...2 prime examples 2011 final when sheehan did a super man impression pulling down MDMA when he was running through on goal, Maher pull down on fitzsimmons in the league now compare them with the abuse Tyrone and Cavanagh took for a very similar act of cynicism...there was no comparison.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 06/07/2017 17:08:14    2011582

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "My point is because of the notion that Kerry are the saviours of football they don't get the criticism others get...2 prime examples 2011 final when sheehan did a super man impression pulling down MDMA when he was running through on goal, Maher pull down on fitzsimmons in the league now compare them with the abuse Tyrone and Cavanagh took for a very similar act of cynicism...there was no comparison."
Did you ever go back and look at what your boys in blue did to Declan O'Sullivan just before that infamous Kev Mac goal (in which he travelled about 25 steps a by the way ;) )

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/07/2017 18:17:27    2011608

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Replying To Checkers:  "In all honesty I can't see anybody beating Kerry outside of Dublin. Have a feeling this is Kerry's year, they look awesome with one of the most frightening inside forward lines, them men could get a score out of nothing even with packed defences.

I feel Tyrone have a chance of beating the Dubs if they are lucky enough to get that far but none against Kerry."
Kerry are definitely the team to beat.

Whoever beats Kerry will win Sam.
No doubt about it.

Easy route to a semi and possibly handiest route to a final too.
Time will tell, but watch their odds crumble in the coming weeks.....!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3736 - 06/07/2017 18:53:10    2011626

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Did you ever go back and look at what your boys in blue did to Declan O'Sullivan just before that infamous Kev Mac goal (in which he travelled about 25 steps a by the way ;) )"
It was a bad challenge deserving of a yellow card look at it again o'sullivan lost his footing which made it worst than it was a more cynical dirty blow was o'sullivan elbow on Nolan in the same match.

Back to my original post were was the comdenation for sheehan for his challenge on mcauley in comparison to the abuse cavanagh and Tyrone received. The only difference one was Kerry and one was Tyrone.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 06/07/2017 19:48:31    2011643

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "It was a bad challenge deserving of a yellow card look at it again o'sullivan lost his footing which made it worst than it was a more cynical dirty blow was o'sullivan elbow on Nolan in the same match.

Back to my original post were was the comdenation for sheehan for his challenge on mcauley in comparison to the abuse cavanagh and Tyrone received. The only difference one was Kerry and one was Tyrone."
Jack come on now and look in the mirror, are you going to stand over the likes of what Philly was doing in the 2015 final or what Cooper was doing last year, choking a player on the ground.

Look next winter when we're all bored we can start a topic like this maybe with picture and video links, eye witness accounts and on line polls so everyone can have a definitive answer as to who are the skull duggery kingpins

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/07/2017 20:33:55    2011668

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Jack come on now and look in the mirror, are you going to stand over the likes of what Philly was doing in the 2015 final or what Cooper was doing last year, choking a player on the ground.

Look next winter when we're all bored we can start a topic like this maybe with picture and video links, eye witness accounts and on line polls so everyone can have a definitive answer as to who are the skull duggery kingpins"
Agree we will move on just answer a couple of questions what was the difference between sheehan challenge and cavanagh challenge? Why was cavanagh and Tyrone subjected to such abuse? One was committed by a Kerry man and one by Tyrone that's the only difference.

Anyway Kerry look very focused reckon it will be a Kerry v Dublin final with Kerry to win by 4.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 06/07/2017 20:56:54    2011679

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Agree we will move on just answer a couple of questions what was the difference between sheehan challenge and cavanagh challenge? Why was cavanagh and Tyrone subjected to such abuse? One was committed by a Kerry man and one by Tyrone that's the only difference.

Anyway Kerry look very focused reckon it will be a Kerry v Dublin final with Kerry to win by 4."
I've two ways to answer, in a general sense I've seen a fair few Dubs do the same in matches.

Specifically, the difference in those two incidents was in one you had a braying horse from Derry on telly straight after looking to make more of a profile for himself.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/07/2017 23:21:17    2011738

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Agree we will move on just answer a couple of questions what was the difference between sheehan challenge and cavanagh challenge? Why was cavanagh and Tyrone subjected to such abuse? One was committed by a Kerry man and one by Tyrone that's the only difference.

Anyway Kerry look very focused reckon it will be a Kerry v Dublin final with Kerry to win by 4."
I've two ways to answer, in a general sense I've seen a fair few Dubs do the same in matches.

Specifically, the difference in those two incidents was in one you had a braying horse from Derry on telly straight after looking to make more of a profile for himself.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/07/2017 23:21:17    2011739

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I take it as a given that Kerry and Dublin will make the semi-final. I think Tyrone will face Dublin and this is very like 2003 were Tyrone are on the rise and understandably maybe not rated on the national stage as yet. The performance against a Donegal team that was well tipped up in the semi-final was as good as it looked and I take them to beat Dublin. In the other semi I see an improving Mayo through the back door taking on Kerry and causing a surprise by reaching the final. Might as well be different.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 07/07/2017 07:29:06    2011780

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Kerry looked good last Sunday, no doubt about it. Do remember though, that this is the worst Cork team in a generation and they had absolutely no appetite for a battle. Kerry took their points with ease and weren't tested at all. We won't know where Kerry are until we get to the QF stage, potentially against Mayo. That would be a very tricky game, and is probably a 60/40 for Kerry at best based on recent form (and form usually means nothing when its Mayo).

The return of James O'Donahue, Anthony Maher and Johnny Buckley, and the emergence of Jack Barry, Kevin McCarthy and Savage have really bolstered the squad and added pace. We have far more depth than 2016, and much better options off the bench which is a huge factor these days. I am glad Donaghy stayed on too.

The negatives are our poor discipline and tendency to give up huge numbers of scoreable frees when teams run at us. The likes of COC and Dean Rock must love coming up against us. It has cost us dearly in recent years and no doubt will continue to be an issue. If management were capable of solving it, they'd have done it by now.

We haven't beaten Dublin in the Championship since 2009, and they are still the team to beat. They looked very fresh and hungry against Westmeath and seem to be 100% focused. Even without Connolly they are still the benchmark, and whoever beats them will win the big prize.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/07/2017 10:28:15    2011847

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Replying To TheHermit:  "I've two ways to answer, in a general sense I've seen a fair few Dubs do the same in matches.

Specifically, the difference in those two incidents was in one you had a braying horse from Derry on telly straight after looking to make more of a profile for himself."
Agree with your comment - Cavanagh incident happens regularly but but when Sean did what he did it was fodder for Joe and he went to town big time to bolster his agenda. He went overboard big time but what I find astonishing is he hasn't followed up with other incidents that are exactly the same which shows he's both inconsistent and very biased being a Derry man and it was Tyrone. That to me makes him slightly tarnished as a commentator.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 07/07/2017 10:40:22    2011859

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Replying To Byanthon:  "I take it as a given that Kerry and Dublin will make the semi-final. I think Tyrone will face Dublin and this is very like 2003 were Tyrone are on the rise and understandably maybe not rated on the national stage as yet. The performance against a Donegal team that was well tipped up in the semi-final was as good as it looked and I take them to beat Dublin. In the other semi I see an improving Mayo through the back door taking on Kerry and causing a surprise by reaching the final. Might as well be different."
The only way Mayo could play Kerry in the semi, is if Ros beat Galway in the Connaught final. Much more likely to be Kerry v Mayo in the quarterfinals

Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 130 - 07/07/2017 11:03:25    2011876

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Kerry looked good last Sunday, no doubt about it. Do remember though, that this is the worst Cork team in a generation and they had absolutely no appetite for a battle. Kerry took their points with ease and weren't tested at all. We won't know where Kerry are until we get to the QF stage, potentially against Mayo. That would be a very tricky game, and is probably a 60/40 for Kerry at best based on recent form (and form usually means nothing when its Mayo).

The return of James O'Donahue, Anthony Maher and Johnny Buckley, and the emergence of Jack Barry, Kevin McCarthy and Savage have really bolstered the squad and added pace. We have far more depth than 2016, and much better options off the bench which is a huge factor these days. I am glad Donaghy stayed on too.

The negatives are our poor discipline and tendency to give up huge numbers of scoreable frees when teams run at us. The likes of COC and Dean Rock must love coming up against us. It has cost us dearly in recent years and no doubt will continue to be an issue. If management were capable of solving it, they'd have done it by now.

We haven't beaten Dublin in the Championship since 2009, and they are still the team to beat. They looked very fresh and hungry against Westmeath and seem to be 100% focused. Even without Connolly they are still the benchmark, and whoever beats them will win the big prize."
Hang on, isn't the county line "write off Cork at your peril" and "Cork always up their game when playing Kerry and bring great intensity" etc.?

An objective analysis likes yours has no place here :-)

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 07/07/2017 11:39:26    2011890

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Hang on, isn't the county line "write off Cork at your peril" and "Cork always up their game when playing Kerry and bring great intensity" etc.?

An objective analysis likes yours has no place here :-)"
That was all based on the evidence of the previous twenty years when, with the exception of 2014 and the 2015 replay, there was little enough separating the sides on the score board at full time in Munster.

Last Sunday however seemed to confirm that Cork have fallen off a cliff and unless they get their act together soon, Cork/Kerry will end up like the Meath/Dublin rivalry and no one wants to see that happen.

Cork put a fella in charge that knows what he's doing and get yourselves back to Division 1!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 07/07/2017 12:13:47    2011911

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Hang on, isn't the county line "write off Cork at your peril" and "Cork always up their game when playing Kerry and bring great intensity" etc.?

An objective analysis likes yours has no place here :-)"
I think that goes out the window with this Cork side. They are truly awful, albeit with a handful of notable exceptions. Kerry could have won by another 10 points easy last Sunday if they really wanted it.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/07/2017 12:14:25    2011913

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Kerry have a great chance this year. They should be rightly confident, playing well, already a national title under their belt, pre season successful in Munster. Dublin also in transition at the moment if they pulled of an All Ireland with the amount of young players this year it would be a great achievement. Kerry weak link is at the back i feel, hence the cynical, strategic fouling and high pressing. If they can come up with a game plan with this on the big day Sep they have a great chance.

The most open championship since 2010 for me. have a funny feeling that the predicted Dublin and Kerry final may not come to pass.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/07/2017 13:16:25    2011956

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Dubs going on about Kerry being cynical; like a fella behind the counter stealing pound notes out of the till chastising a customer who got shoplifting!"
Still true though nonetheless, just admit it.

dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 07/07/2017 14:09:59    2011987

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