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Neutral venue for Dublin and Tipperary

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "For me it silly stuff here.
ok they may have stated neutral venues and it's not now but what's the point in dragging the game elsewhere when Kilkenny v Waterford was always going to be in thurles. People saying tipp have to choose between football and hurling sure there's only about 200 maximum would go to Cavan regardless and they are more than likely more football supporters regardless. The same number of Dublin supporters would go to tullamore as thurles it's near enough same travel time anyway with the motorways to both.
Waterford last year wasted people's time and money dragging them all the way to limerick because of this ridiculous notion of home advantage when they got annihilated on the day. It's all on the day if we are good enough we will beat tipp regardless of venue."
You have some neck talking about silly stuffy.
In a tight game (not saying it will be ) playing on your home pitch could make the difference.
Why assume KK V Wat. was ' always" going to be in Thurles? Why not Wexford park?

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 04/07/2017 15:56:30    2010506

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Why?

It's not needed with the Leinster council continually voting to keep Dublin in Croke Park for greater revenue generating capabilities

Why don't you evenly invest in Hurling?

Dublin invest 50% of all revenue on both codes across the board"
Half a loaf is better than no bread Jim.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/07/2017 16:00:40    2010513

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Replying To DannyMcA:  "Eh that's what I said!! "Like all other counties"!"
Great..........so it's a none issue then!! It's just another trip for the well traveled Dubs, like us all!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 04/07/2017 16:08:13    2010524

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Dublin getting a taste of their own medicine now. Now they know how the rest of us feel. Karma and all that. No sympathy."
It's not a valid comparison

Taste of "our own" medicine

Ulsterman.. you already know this

The Leinster council decides where Dublin play - Croke Park is in Leinster and holds the most spectators

It's all about revenue for the Leinster council and Dublin is just one member of that council

We cant continually vote ourselves into Croke Park - that's down to the rest.

They have tried to play more Dublin games outside of CP in the last couple of season's and have lost revenue doing so.

So this "No sympathy" thing... it's a fairly ignorant stance

The Dublin footballers don't decide where they play and this has absolutely no relation to our Hurlers current situation.

It's fairly telling the way some want to link the two completely different scenarios together

Some posters absolute bitterness is quite plain to see

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 04/07/2017 16:18:48    2010531

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Replying To emerald79:  "Dublin Hurling is not Dublin Football,look at Dublin Hurling fixtures both league & championship ,they play almost all games away ,especially championship & shouldn't be compared to the football side of it ,so the only person talking TRIPE here is you ,go check your facts before you run your mouth ,Tipperary are no better than Dublin footballers now 3 home championship games in a row is a bloody joke ,I hope they get a good hammering soon ,"
that bitterness will eat you up, let it go!!
when Nowlan Park upgrades to a venue capable of it we can have these games there.....wont be anytime soon!!

PremierGold (Tipperary) - Posts: 121 - 04/07/2017 16:20:37    2010532

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We are always told for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity Croke Park is deemed a neutral venue even when Dublin are playing. Croke Park is unavailable this weekend so now Semple Stadium is being used for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity and is deemed a neutral venue for the weekend even though Tipperary are playing. Why is Tipperary playing Tipperary a problem if Dublin playing in Dublin isn't a problem??

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 04/07/2017 16:20:56    2010533

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Replying To Condorman:  "You have some neck talking about silly stuffy.
In a tight game (not saying it will be ) playing on your home pitch could make the difference.
Why assume KK V Wat. was ' always" going to be in Thurles? Why not Wexford park?"
Why does the grass say to one another here let's make it harder for these new guys playing here and trip them up?
Please tell me how playing on your home turf as u say well make all the difference?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/07/2017 16:32:29    2010540

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "How many people supported the wexford footballers? Your making very silly comments. No county has big support for both games equally. Plus wouldn't that class wexford hurling supporters as bandwagoners as i guarantee you would be first on here if dublin filled croker for hurling game to say look at all the hurling bandwagoners in Dublin"
What is the population of Dublin and what is the population of wexford?? The underage hurling in Dublin is massive and then again you see very few juveniles at the matches..are you trying to tell me the dublin hurlers have better support than the wexford footballer on %population??? Not even up for debate!

fathermurphy (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 04/07/2017 16:33:41    2010541

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Replying To kildare73:  "Great..........so it's a none issue then!! It's just another trip for the well traveled Dubs, like us all!!"
So why bring the Dublin footballers into it?

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 04/07/2017 16:36:44    2010544

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Its about time the Dublin board took a stand and played our home fixtures in parnell park , the boyos would be soon begging to get them back to croker so they can bikes their wonderful little club houses

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/07/2017 16:39:36    2010546

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Half a loaf is better than no bread Jim."
Ahh right

Glad I could help anyway

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 04/07/2017 16:40:59    2010548

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Replying To kildare73:  "Do you know me? How do you know what I like? Just because I'm from one of the weaker hurling counties I'm not supposed to have a point of view? Get over yourself for God's sake, it's a public forum."
Oooh! Hit a raw nerve have I? No I presume I've never met you but I do know you by your words. To call the legitimate objections of Dublin hurling people "pathetic" is frankly, pathetic. If you have a problem with the advantages Dublin footballers are given (and clearly you do from your later posts) take it out on the footballers because that is a completely separate issue.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1905 - 04/07/2017 16:46:15    2010552

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Replying To kildare73:  "We are always told for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity Croke Park is deemed a neutral venue even when Dublin are playing. Croke Park is unavailable this weekend so now Semple Stadium is being used for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity and is deemed a neutral venue for the weekend even though Tipperary are playing. Why is Tipperary playing Tipperary a problem if Dublin playing in Dublin isn't a problem??"
That's not like for like. You are being obtuse.
Wembley is a neutral venue for Chelsea v Manchester City for instance even though Chelsea is in London. It's the national stadium for England as is Croke Park for Ireland. Dublins home pitch is Parnell Park not Croke Park. Thurles is Tipperarys pitch. It's not a national stadium. It's no higher or lower than Fitzgerald stadium, The Gaelic Grounds or P.u.C. That there's a push always to make it a favourite venue for matches is odd. Clare agreeing to at there instead of Limerick will come back to bite them. They 'll be outnumbered 3 to 1 at least for the final. In limerick it would have been 3 to 2

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 04/07/2017 16:56:25    2010557

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You can put my post where ever you want my Dublin friend but it won't change the fact that ye have every advantage going in the game ."
Ah look, I'm not coming down to your level for the sake of this debate
It's a shame you feel the need to do this on most threads

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 04/07/2017 17:02:48    2010560

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Replying To DannyMcA:  "So why bring the Dublin footballers into it?"
Pretty simple really. It's the same county board for both Dublin hurlers and footballers doing the complaining.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 04/07/2017 17:21:23    2010575

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Oooh! Hit a raw nerve have I? No I presume I've never met you but I do know you by your words. To call the legitimate objections of Dublin hurling people "pathetic" is frankly, pathetic. If you have a problem with the advantages Dublin footballers are given (and clearly you do from your later posts) take it out on the footballers because that is a completely separate issue."
You didn't hit any nerve at all but I I won't have you dismissing my point of view just because I'm not from a hurling county. Dublin county board are operating a double standard here as far as I can see. But hey Ho, that's just little old me's opinion!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 04/07/2017 17:27:38    2010579

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If we wouldn't allow Westmeath home advantage we'd hardly let Dublin take us to a neutral venue lol!!
On a serious note we can all agree the game shouldn't be in Thurles but that's the CCCC for you.
Very unfair and the Dubs and they have every right to be critical.
Neutral is not home advantage.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 04/07/2017 17:30:54    2010581

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Oooh! Hit a raw nerve have I? No I presume I've never met you but I do know you by your words. To call the legitimate objections of Dublin hurling people "pathetic" is frankly, pathetic. If you have a problem with the advantages Dublin footballers are given (and clearly you do from your later posts) take it out on the footballers because that is a completely separate issue."
Well said.

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 04/07/2017 17:31:05    2010582

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Replying To kildare73:  "We are always told for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity Croke Park is deemed a neutral venue even when Dublin are playing. Croke Park is unavailable this weekend so now Semple Stadium is being used for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity and is deemed a neutral venue for the weekend even though Tipperary are playing. Why is Tipperary playing Tipperary a problem if Dublin playing in Dublin isn't a problem??"
We are always told for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity Croke Park is deemed a neutral venue even when Dublin are playing.

First I've heard of that rationale. Croke Park is considered a neutral venue as Parnell Park is Dublin's home venue. Whether its effectively a home venue for Dublin footballers is a debate that's i) been covered loads of times and ii) is completely off topic for this thread.

Croke Park is unavailable this weekend so now Semple Stadium is being used for reasons of maximising revenues and capacity and is deemed a neutral venue for the weekend even though Tipperary are playing.

Semple has been deemed a neutral venue? First I've heard of that.

Why is Tipperary playing in Tipperary a problem if Dublin playing in Dublin isn't a problem?

Because the original idea was that the venue for the game should be neutral and now its not. Just because you say Semple Stadium is a neutral venue in this instance, this doesn't mean its the case.

Dublin (footballers) playing in Dublin certainly does seem to be a problem based on the number of managers, pundits and keyboard warriors who regularly comment on this.

Just as an aside, I happen to think Thurles is the most logical venue for this weekend's double header. I just can't make head nor tail of your argument.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 04/07/2017 17:32:34    2010583

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Replying To bloodyban:  "That's not like for like. You are being obtuse.
Wembley is a neutral venue for Chelsea v Manchester City for instance even though Chelsea is in London. It's the national stadium for England as is Croke Park for Ireland. Dublins home pitch is Parnell Park not Croke Park. Thurles is Tipperarys pitch. It's not a national stadium. It's no higher or lower than Fitzgerald stadium, The Gaelic Grounds or P.u.C. That there's a push always to make it a favourite venue for matches is odd. Clare agreeing to at there instead of Limerick will come back to bite them. They 'll be outnumbered 3 to 1 at least for the final. In limerick it would have been 3 to 2"
You missed my point. Croke Park is unavailable this weekend so Semple Stadium is deemed the next biggest available and suitable venue. The fact it's in Tipperary is irrelevant now because the national stadium is unavailable. If people don't like it then petition the GAA to not hold concerts in Croke Park during the championship season. Otherwise it is what it is and everyone get on with it.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 04/07/2017 17:34:42    2010585

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