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Donegal V Longford

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We did well in the rain v antrim. I Think we can get a result despite the weather on any day. Mid field and kick outs should Be v interesting

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 01/07/2017 13:30:15    2008317

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Who are the Longford dangermen? Saw short highlights of their win on the Sunday Game and Robbie Smyth looked really good. Does Brian Kavanagh not play with Lonford anymore? Always thought he was a fine full forward.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 01/07/2017 13:49:06    2008325

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I think Brian Kavanagh is retired? He's not on the panel this year anyway. Robbie Smyth is deadly, while Sean McCormack & Liam Connerton also will pose a threat.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 01/07/2017 16:25:33    2008388

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Putrid from Donegal so far here. Same ultra defensive handpassing game. So predictable. Have hit about 10 wides but all tough chances.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 01/07/2017 17:53:20    2008418

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Longford have lost 2 players to a black card. This is the REAL problem with the black card. Teams like Longford don't have the bench to overcome black cards. The black card means that the team with the greater resources will always win. The weak get weaker and the strong get stronger.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 01/07/2017 18:10:40    2008428

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Longford have lost two players to black cards and one to a red with 25 minutes left. Game being refereed by an Ulster ref with one Ulster team involved! Cards go the way of the Ulster team. When are the GAA going to wake up an appoint referees from outside either teams province??

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 889 - 01/07/2017 18:53:18    2008454

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Longford have lost 2 players to a black card. This is the REAL problem with the black card. Teams like Longford don't have the bench to overcome black cards. The black card means that the team with the greater resources will always win. The weak get weaker and the strong get stronger."
Hard luck Longford. Could have won. Gotta say that the ref did his job re above comment. He can't make the rules up as he goes along.

No confidence after this result at all.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 01/07/2017 19:09:05    2008460

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Replying To Oddball:  "Longford have lost two players to black cards and one to a red with 25 minutes left. Game being refereed by an Ulster ref with one Ulster team involved! Cards go the way of the Ulster team. When are the GAA going to wake up an appoint referees from outside either teams province??"
Or those teams could learn the rules like us in small rural clubs? When we only might have 15 men to line out and so tackle properly and keep disciple?

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 01/07/2017 19:13:14    2008463

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Hard luck Longford. Could have won. Gotta say that the ref did his job re above comment. He can't make the rules up as he goes along.

No confidence after this result at all."
Never said he had to make the rules up. Its a general comment that the black card rule disadvantages counties with less resources.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 01/07/2017 19:29:22    2008467

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Longford should have beaten us .


Donegal are miles off.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 01/07/2017 19:32:04    2008470

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The question has to be asked....why appoint an Ulster referee for a game between a Leinster and Ulster team??

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 889 - 01/07/2017 19:47:42    2008478

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Replying To Oddball:  "The question has to be asked....why appoint an Ulster referee for a game between a Leinster and Ulster team??"
I don't buy this argument at all, why would a ref favour a team from its own province? Leaving aside the fact that its kind of insulting to question the referees integrity like that, if its a tribal thing, would they not be biased against close rivals of their own county? Would you expect preferential treatment from a Mayo ref if playing a team from outside your province?

Anyway, that was one depressing game of football from a Donegal perspective. While I'd like us to avoid Mayo in the draw, I think we'll struggle against either of the other two teams too unless there's a dramatic turnaround in form

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 01/07/2017 20:02:37    2008488

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Really really bad. Even with an extra man we were still ultra defensive and not pushing up on kickouts. Diabolical really. We barely played any decent football at all. Mostly frees and about 15 wides. No attacking gameplan whatsoever. Everyone bunched around the 40, handpassing it around waiting for someone to have a go on their own. Nobody ahead of the ball. Beggars belief how bad we were.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 01/07/2017 20:14:20    2008497

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Never said he had to make the rules up. Its a general comment that the black card rule disadvantages counties with less resources."
How? They play under the same rules as the other teams, they know what to do and how to avoid them.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 01/07/2017 20:15:19    2008498

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Awful stuff from Donegal and we look dead in the water this year. Longford played really well and but for the red card and some easy chances missed from frees they would have won the game. Donegal reverted to 14 men behind the ball and had no idea how break down the Longford reargard. Not sure where to from here for Donegal but they look very vulnerable.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 01/07/2017 20:59:40    2008541

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Replying To Oddball:  "Longford have lost two players to black cards and one to a red with 25 minutes left. Game being refereed by an Ulster ref with one Ulster team involved! Cards go the way of the Ulster team. When are the GAA going to wake up an appoint referees from outside either teams province??"
What a stupid post. Why on earth would an Armagh referee favour Donegal over Longford?

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 01/07/2017 21:09:13    2008547

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Awful stuff from Donegal and we look dead in the water this year. Longford played really well and but for the red card and some easy chances missed from frees they would have won the game. Donegal reverted to 14 men behind the ball and had no idea how break down the Longford reargard. Not sure where to from here for Donegal but they look very vulnerable."
Shocking. Ive never left a game we won feeling so disappointed with out own perfermance. Very worrying for Donegal at the moment. Can't see us going too much further this year. I want Mayo in the next round. Might be the only game to try and get some sort of reaction out of us.

We look completely flat. Playing with half the intensity we were playing with in the league. Defence is as vulnerable as it's been in 7 years. Struggling to find scores from play. Slow, ponderous, no width to our play, just a cluster of men in the middle around the 45 handpassing with no real ideas. What has happened to Ryan Mchugh? A lot of players look out of sorts. McElhinney did really well and Neil McGee had his best game in a while. Hard to find any other positives really.

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 01/07/2017 21:23:31    2008564

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "What a stupid post. Why on earth would an Armagh referee favour Donegal over Longford?"
He's an Ulster man and he looks after his fellow Ulster men. Simple!

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 889 - 01/07/2017 21:31:33    2008573

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  "How? They play under the same rules as the other teams, they know what to do and how to avoid them."
Obviously you must have an endless supply of great footballers in Monaghan, all of equal ability. There's so much bull written here all the time about an unequal playing pitch, with Dublin being so far ahead of the rest because of their financial resources.etc.

The black card is a far bigger generator of inequality. Not every team goes out to play cynically and certainly a team like Longford have nothing to gain by playing cynically since if they have a player black carded an inferior player will almost certainly take his place.

If Brolly didn't start throwing his toys out of the pram when the Tyrone player made that famous cynical tackle, the black card would never have come into being.

There is absolutely no need for a black card. Cynical play ALWAYS deserves a red. Everything else should be a yellow.

Listen, I'm a hurling man. Football is your sport, and you're welcome to it. You're welcome to have as many kooky rules you want to ruin the sport if you want cos ultimately it is not my concern

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 01/07/2017 21:55:47    2008597

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That was woeful stuff. No harm to Longford but what did we manage from play? 5 points? Not one goal chance created. We didn't look to have changed one bit tactically from the Tyrone game. The buzz from the league performances has well and truly fizzled out. Hard to know what or where we're at.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 01/07/2017 21:59:14    2008604

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