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Replying To Naysayer: "All accommodated in Antrim hurling, in some cases to the expense of Antrim teams playing at a higher division but to the greater good of Ulster hurling?
Am I close?" Close, but no cigar.
Yes, we're more than grateful for the hurling competition but don't think we don't pay our league fees and so forth which contributes to the Antrim coffers, not to mention whatever fines come our way.
Plus I'd like to think that we bring something to the Antrim leagues in some much as we're competitive in Div1 and replacing us with the likes of some of the weaker teams won't serve Antrim hurling on the whole.
bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 16/06/2017 10:34:33
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Friday morning Quiz.
What do the following clubs all have in common?
Ballycran
Ballygalget
Portaferry
Carryduff
Bredagh
Dungannon
Na Magha
Naomh Colum Cille
Ballinascreen
Slaughtneil
Swatragh
Kevin Lynch
Lavey
Banagher
Eoghan Rua, Coleraine
Le Chéile"
All accommodated in Antrim hurling, in some cases to the expense of Antrim teams playing at a higher division but to the greater good of Ulster hurling?
Am I close?
As being a playing member of one of the above mentioned Clubs, we are grateful of having our Senior team and various underage teams competing in the Antrim Leagues but in fairness were left with no option due to the Structure of Competitions in our own County and in Ulster in general. The Ulster leagues having been about for the last 10/12 years, originally as a pre-season competition were handy as an early competition for competitive games before out County Leagues commenced. But since the re-drafting of this competition to become the Tain League and in the process the scrapping of the various Club Leagues including what was a very competitive Armagh League, this new venture has been an absolute farce and badly organised. It has reduced in numbers every year since it began, games constantly conceded, cricket scores etc.... and the biggest problem being it doesn't have set times/days etc, games just fitted in here and there meaning its very hard to work Club structures around it. This leaves things especially hard for the Dual player within these Clubs. But i don't think that playing in Antrim is detrimental to the Antrim Clubs from progressing onwards. In a structured League such as Antrim, all teams both inside and outside will find their suitable playing level leaving all divsions fairly competitive. Big positive also is games are regular which is hat every Club player wants.
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It is encouraging that the county board have addressed the issue in a meaningful way and adopted a plan that Central Council are happy enough to commit to. Obviously the additional funds are more than welcome and seem to be targeting schools, in particular primary, as much as clubs, so lets see how it works out, looks like there'll be no room for excuses after this.
It is funny the begrudgery on here from supposed gaels who are so obsessed with their own parish/county that they cant or simply refuse to acknowledge the bigger picture.
You'd think they don't want kids playing our games or is it simply because like the Casement redevelopment its in Belfast and they hate it so much that they would much prefer it to be a GAA wasteland.
For what its worth I do see the bigger picture and have no problem with funding being allocated wherever its needed and im sure most sensible gaels feel similarly.
Btw the list of clubs from outside Antrim playing in our leagues, provided by offside, highlights the hypocrisy of those who are ridiculing Antrim and Belfast as more than half are from Tyrone and Down.
Id say that might be a surprise mind you to some of the tyrone contributors.
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/06/2017 10:50:11
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Yes Naysayer - all clubs from outside Antrim who are accommodated in the Antrim Hurling Leagues ranging from Div 1 right down to underage. Some County posters would do well to remember this when they are getting in the digs.
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/06/2017 10:55:23
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Replying To lasttoknow: "Replying To Offside_Rule: "Friday morning Quiz.
What do the following clubs all have in common?
Ballycran
Ballygalget
Portaferry
Carryduff
Bredagh
Dungannon
Na Magha
Naomh Colum Cille
Ballinascreen
Slaughtneil
Swatragh
Kevin Lynch
Lavey
Banagher
Eoghan Rua, Coleraine
Le Chéile"
All accommodated in Antrim hurling, in some cases to the expense of Antrim teams playing at a higher division but to the greater good of Ulster hurling?
Am I close?
As being a playing member of one of the above mentioned Clubs, we are grateful of having our Senior team and various underage teams competing in the Antrim Leagues but in fairness were left with no option due to the Structure of Competitions in our own County and in Ulster in general. The Ulster leagues having been about for the last 10/12 years, originally as a pre-season competition were handy as an early competition for competitive games before out County Leagues commenced. But since the re-drafting of this competition to become the Tain League and in the process the scrapping of the various Club Leagues including what was a very competitive Armagh League, this new venture has been an absolute farce and badly organised. It has reduced in numbers every year since it began, games constantly conceded, cricket scores etc.... and the biggest problem being it doesn't have set times/days etc, games just fitted in here and there meaning its very hard to work Club structures around it. This leaves things especially hard for the Dual player within these Clubs. But i don't think that playing in Antrim is detrimental to the Antrim Clubs from progressing onwards. In a structured League such as Antrim, all teams both inside and outside will find their suitable playing level leaving all divsions fairly competitive. Big positive also is games are regular which is hat every Club player wants." Bang on the money lasttoknow.
The Ulster Council by putting all its eggs in the one basket with the Tain league has been an unmitigated disaster hidden from Croke Park (who don't give a sh1t anyway) and jumped on by some football county boards to save them the bother of doing anything for hurling and were only too quick to pull their own leagues in favour of it.
When will someone shout stop to this nonsense and make the county boards of each county responsible for hurling development and make the Ulster Council responsible for developing intercounty, development squads and so forth as currently they are falling well short.
The Belfast lads could do worse that look north to the glens as to how things should be run, North Antrim hurling development squads are run by volunteers and are second to none with the dedicated lads working in them,
bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 16/06/2017 11:03:16
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Replying To bricktop: "Bang on the money lasttoknow.
The Ulster Council by putting all its eggs in the one basket with the Tain league has been an unmitigated disaster hidden from Croke Park (who don't give a sh1t anyway) and jumped on by some football county boards to save them the bother of doing anything for hurling and were only too quick to pull their own leagues in favour of it.
When will someone shout stop to this nonsense and make the county boards of each county responsible for hurling development and make the Ulster Council responsible for developing intercounty, development squads and so forth as currently they are falling well short.
The Belfast lads could do worse that look north to the glens as to how things should be run, North Antrim hurling development squads are run by volunteers and are second to none with the dedicated lads working in them," I wonder then how Rossa and Davitts, 2 Belfast clubs, made it to the Feile this weekend as Antrim's representatives if Belfast clubs are all completely useless at coaching.
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/06/2017 11:42:11
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Replying To bumpernut: "I wonder then how Rossa and Davitts, 2 Belfast clubs, made it to the Feile this weekend as Antrim's representatives if Belfast clubs are all completely useless at coaching." Less of that chat bumpernut - you don't want to get this funding withdrawn.
Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 16/06/2017 12:05:25
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Replying To bumpernut: "It is encouraging that the county board have addressed the issue in a meaningful way and adopted a plan that Central Council are happy enough to commit to. Obviously the additional funds are more than welcome and seem to be targeting schools, in particular primary, as much as clubs, so lets see how it works out, looks like there'll be no room for excuses after this.
It is funny the begrudgery on here from supposed gaels who are so obsessed with their own parish/county that they cant or simply refuse to acknowledge the bigger picture.
You'd think they don't want kids playing our games or is it simply because like the Casement redevelopment its in Belfast and they hate it so much that they would much prefer it to be a GAA wasteland.
For what its worth I do see the bigger picture and have no problem with funding being allocated wherever its needed and im sure most sensible gaels feel similarly.
Btw the list of clubs from outside Antrim playing in our leagues, provided by offside, highlights the hypocrisy of those who are ridiculing Antrim and Belfast as more than half are from Tyrone and Down.
Id say that might be a surprise mind you to some of the tyrone contributors." Christ some of you lads have a serious chip on your shoulders about Tyrone lads.
I don't think any Tyrone poster (or posters from anywhere else for that matter) have said that Belfast neither needs nor deserves a funding boost .
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/06/2017 12:16:05
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Replying To bumpernut: "I wonder then how Rossa and Davitts, 2 Belfast clubs, made it to the Feile this weekend as Antrim's representatives if Belfast clubs are all completely useless at coaching." Probably scoured the local area for the best kids due to the lack of a distinct parish/boundary rule in place in Belfast. (JOKING)
Read what I said, how are the South Antrim development squads fairing compared to their northern counterparts.
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Belfast clubs have always fared well at U14, Rossa, St Galls, St Johns and so forth, but are less likely to figure when it comes to minor and U21, Rossa probably are the only exception and have a better record of getting young hurlers through to senior club.
St Johns were beating U14 teams the length and breadth of the country a few years back, but didn't seem to manage it at minor and U21 with the same group of lads, how so?
bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 16/06/2017 12:17:01
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Replying To benched: "Christ some of you lads have a serious chip on your shoulders about Tyrone lads.
I don't think any Tyrone poster (or posters from anywhere else for that matter) have said that Belfast neither needs nor deserves a funding boost ." They haven't.. you must be reading the wrong thread!
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/06/2017 12:29:57
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Replying To Naysayer: "Less of that chat bumpernut - you don't want to get this funding withdrawn." Indeed naysayer how can I delete that post quick!
There are quite a few clubs though as you know and some need help more than others.
Most of the primary and secondary schools need coaching assistance though.
Maybe we need to start employing only Belfast and North Antrim teachers mind you :)
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/06/2017 12:40:13
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Replying To benched: "Christ some of you lads have a serious chip on your shoulders about Tyrone lads.
I don't think any Tyrone poster (or posters from anywhere else for that matter) have said that Belfast neither needs nor deserves a funding boost ." If we were producing like Tyrone we would be more than happy.
Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 16/06/2017 12:46:48
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Replying To bricktop: "Probably scoured the local area for the best kids due to the lack of a distinct parish/boundary rule in place in Belfast. (JOKING)
Read what I said, how are the South Antrim development squads fairing compared to their northern counterparts.
Also,
Belfast clubs have always fared well at U14, Rossa, St Galls, St Johns and so forth, but are less likely to figure when it comes to minor and U21, Rossa probably are the only exception and have a better record of getting young hurlers through to senior club.
St Johns were beating U14 teams the length and breadth of the country a few years back, but didn't seem to manage it at minor and U21 with the same group of lads, how so?" 'The Belfast lads could do worse that look north to the glens as to how things should be run, North Antrim hurling development squads are run by volunteers and are second to none with the dedicated lads working in them,"
Heres what you said, you seemed to be implying that Belfast clubs have no worthwhile coaches.
What age group are we then talking about regarding development squads, as some of the clubs are doing decent work coaching wise, some aren't. I assume those that aren't will be those that will be assisted/targeted by this plan.
As for that particular Johnnies team, there are some on the current county team and others in the squad. Im sure you don't need me to tell you why lads between the ages of 16 and 21 either disappear completely or don't progress. Im sure it happens in every club the length of Ireland, the city as you know though has a few more temptations/distractions.
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/06/2017 12:56:26
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Replying To bumpernut: "'The Belfast lads could do worse that look north to the glens as to how things should be run, North Antrim hurling development squads are run by volunteers and are second to none with the dedicated lads working in them,"
Heres what you said, you seemed to be implying that Belfast clubs have no worthwhile coaches.
What age group are we then talking about regarding development squads, as some of the clubs are doing decent work coaching wise, some aren't. I assume those that aren't will be those that will be assisted/targeted by this plan.
As for that particular Johnnies team, there are some on the current county team and others in the squad. Im sure you don't need me to tell you why lads between the ages of 16 and 21 either disappear completely or don't progress. Im sure it happens in every club the length of Ireland, the city as you know though has a few more temptations/distractions." I specifically mentioned development squads, how are the South Antrim ones going?
As for distractions, do you think rural children don't play other sports, underage drink and so forth? There's no monopoly in distractions in for city kids.
At least you city lads don't have to put up with wee jonny can't play tonight as he's at the silage or there's a cow calving
bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 16/06/2017 13:45:22
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Replying To bricktop: "I specifically mentioned development squads, how are the South Antrim ones going?
As for distractions, do you think rural children don't play other sports, underage drink and so forth? There's no monopoly in distractions in for city kids.
At least you city lads don't have to put up with wee jonny can't play tonight as he's at the silage or there's a cow calving" Soccer is huge in Belfast. Schools soccer at Primary and secondary level is well run compared to Gaelic GAA in schools. We've only got the 1 MacCrory Cup school and for years had none. This is where the gains can be made.
You look at Dublin and how soccer is at a bit of a low ebb. Their senior clubs no longer are winning LoI titles. Clubs at Junior level are disbanding quicker than new ones are forming. GAA can and hopefully will be able to wrestle away some of the stranglehold that soccer has on sport in Belfast too.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 16/06/2017 14:43:34
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Replying To bricktop: "I specifically mentioned development squads, how are the South Antrim ones going?
As for distractions, do you think rural children don't play other sports, underage drink and so forth? There's no monopoly in distractions in for city kids.
At least you city lads don't have to put up with wee jonny can't play tonight as he's at the silage or there's a cow calving" lol - that gave me a good chuckle and because there is a good deal of truth in it. I know of juveniles who have been made chose hurling or football by their parents as committing to both was going to impact on their availability to pull their weight round the farm or learn the ropes properly.
My own father having left school at 15 was told by his father than was it as far as playing football was concerned as he was going to be working on the farm before taking it over. He watched as his brothers represented club, county and won championship medals.
Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 16/06/2017 15:39:31
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Replying To bricktop: "I specifically mentioned development squads, how are the South Antrim ones going?
As for distractions, do you think rural children don't play other sports, underage drink and so forth? There's no monopoly in distractions in for city kids.
At least you city lads don't have to put up with wee jonny can't play tonight as he's at the silage or there's a cow calving" Ah sure we've our own fully functioning farm right beside us brick with sheep, goats, hens, pheasants etc.
Sure isn't that part of our problem, some of the kids wanna be farmers rather than hurlers ffs
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 16/06/2017 16:48:18
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Yes Naysayer - all clubs from outside Antrim who are accommodated in the Antrim Hurling Leagues ranging from Div 1 right down to underage. Some County posters would do well to remember this when they are getting in the digs." And those clubs don't aid Antrim hurling by adding to the competitiveness of those leagues????????
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Replying To Ulsterman: "Report in the Irish News this morning that Croke Park is finally to act and rubber stamp a financial plan to rejuvenate Gaelic Games in Belfast. The GAA have finally got the message that Gaelic Games are in a dire way and that a plan is now required to deal with this. As a Belfast and Antrim man I welcome this long overdue action. My main concern now will be tbe nasty begrudgery and jealousy that will come our way from within Ulster especially from Tyrone." From what I witnessed in the Christy Ring final as the money in the European Union wouldn't make hurlers out of them lads!
Silk purse / sows ear comes to mind!
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