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Lack of Honour & Morals in the GAA

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Replying To Damothedub:  "I have been in a minority along with some other lads on here saying do the crime do the time , many a sarcky decker has said Dublin would fudge this and use their so called power to get DC off , they haven't and they have done what I always believed was the right thing , how about some on here also doing the right thing and admitting they were wrong or is that too much to ask"
I wouldn't hold my breath there
They will still find some way of whinging about it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/06/2017 21:06:37    1997676

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The issues surrounding this incident will resurface again and again throughout the championship, it won't be Connolly of course it will be someone else. But poor officiating (I know they are only human etc etc etc so are the players) is facilitating these type of incidents. Every game now is being hogged by the drama and intrigue caused by poor officiating be it bad calls or no calls or the toleration of bad behaviour be it diving, sledging, feigning etc etc etc the fact people are getting away with (on the pitch) is all the encouragement some players need to keep doing it. Connolly has accepted the decision probably had no choice really as it was black and white but officials have to take a fair measure of the blame.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4903 - 10/06/2017 21:08:39    1997678

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Dublin and Connolly have done the right thing. Take it on the chin and move on. They will he far more respect and kudos for this. Fair dos.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 10/06/2017 21:12:22    1997682

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Replying To supersub15:  "Should the CCCC, CHC, the DRA, etc, not obtain the services of the same legal team that represents the player/players that appeal their suspensions (mostly with success) then the chances of a suspension being overturned would be zero, as the whole thing would be water tight as in no comma left out.
Question, - is it custom and practice for the referee to engage with his lines men, and his umpires at half time for for a chin wag to compare notes etc on the first half and discuss any issues that flared up or may flare up in the second half, and the same thing after the game.
It should NOT have been left to Diarmuid Connolly to decide his own faith in whether he appealed or not, those who made the rules, passed down the 12 week sentence but at the end of the day passed the buck so to speak, any way from here on he is squeaky clean and good luck to him, - - - and indeed Dublin."
The DRA is headed up by Rory Hanniffy BL - he is a barrister and his panel is also made up of independent legal experts. The point of the DRA is BOTH parties in a GAA dispute must abide by the decisions of the DRA which are binding. if you lose you pay the legal costs which are hefty. If they find anything wrong with due process, the rules, the application or incorrect application of the rules they will make their judgements accordingly ditto with players being unfairly treated. The DRA really is the very last place you would want to go - you would want to have your case water tight or it will cost you. Point is there was never a chance of Connolly going to the DRA with this incident not a chance, it was black and white, unlike the time he did go. It is also not about money it is about resolving disputes. Referees and players get things wrong so to do the CCCC etc and that is why you have a DRA.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4903 - 10/06/2017 21:25:46    1997689

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Replying To arock:  "The issues surrounding this incident will resurface again and again throughout the championship, it won't be Connolly of course it will be someone else. But poor officiating (I know they are only human etc etc etc so are the players) is facilitating these type of incidents. Every game now is being hogged by the drama and intrigue caused by poor officiating be it bad calls or no calls or the toleration of bad behaviour be it diving, sledging, feigning etc etc etc the fact people are getting away with (on the pitch) is all the encouragement some players need to keep doing it. Connolly has accepted the decision probably had no choice really as it was black and white but officials have to take a fair measure of the blame."
Interesting to see branigan reffing cork v tipp today and a situation arose where Kerrigan felt hard done by on a 45 call by an umpire and went in and gave him both barrells. Branigan decided to only give him a yellow card.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/06/2017 00:01:32    1997744

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "there's always a fekin spelling Nazi on every forum, you well know what he means, doesn't make you any smarter than any other poster if that's all you can reply to his post"
Hey ... you spelled "feckin" wrong... :-)

murrax (Wexford) - Posts: 90 - 11/06/2017 01:56:45    1997766

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Replying To royaldunne:  "
Replying To Gleebo:  "maybe my memory is poor but 10 20 years ago if you were caught you were caught.

Also, around this time period we had stuff going on like the Gary Kirby incident in the 1996 All-Ireland hurling final, the mass brawl involving 29 players in the Meath and Mayo football final that year, the Colin Lynch affair, Michael Duignan's pull on David Forde, the targeting of Peter Canavan in the All-Ireland semi-final in 1996, several incidents in the Munster hurling final in 1998, for which most of the disciplinary actions were appealed, as far as I remember anyway."
Just to clarify for you, you seem to be very mistaken on a couple of things, you stated that peter canavan was targeted. That is factually incorrect, he received and shoulder off john McDermott and got injured. Are you saying everyone who shoulders a player is targeting them? Honestly such bs.
Secondly the mass brawl as you call, (it was started by mayo to try o intimidate the Meath kids) two players were sent off (the right 2 in all right minded people) afterwards both teams and county boards were fined and players suspended, so I think that qualifies as taking punishments, would you not agree??"
TBH we're getting away from the main point I was trying to make, which is that controversial incidents have always arisen in Gaelic games and that the appellate culture has been there a long time.

However, as regards Canavan, have a look at the video( roughly 6:00 to 9:00). If it was a shoulder that injured him, it was a late one.

https://youtu.be/4l93Gm9v5zI

Brian Dooher also had his head trodden on in that game, which hardly qualifies as robust tackling.

My memory from the 96 football final was that Meath and Mayo initially appealed before deciding it drop it, which seems to be proven by the link below.

https://www.google.at/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/mayo-withdraw-appeal-on-suspensions-and-fine-1.103275%3Fmode%3Damp

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/06/2017 10:24:04    1997809

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