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That's harsh to say mate, 6 counties won The Leinster Championship while the Kingdom were winning All Irelands in the 00s, to say Leinster hasn't been competitive since the 50's is unfair. Yet I suppose it again illustrates the article and admin point on an easy run through Munster and the possible toll the competitive Leinster Championship in those years had on playing/preparing Aug/Sep football, certainly Ulster was also fierce. Look it will never be agreed on, I posted the facts I think they will speak for themselves, fascinating article really whatever side you come down on. I really believe the weak provincial is a contributory factor to Dublin success, I think it will be more so this year then any other. I think other counties have enjoyed that for a long time, it's not their problem, it's just an evidence based belief. :) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 02/06/2017 21:52:05 1993727 Link 0 |
since 1956 kildare won 2 leinsters,yet people consider them a big gun. been about 80 years since the won sam..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 02/06/2017 22:03:30 1993735 Link 0 |
Ah I was being a bit facetious The Username. Yes the Leinster championship was shared around a bit in the 00's but how good was the standard honestly? Cork were better than any of those teams IMO and were very unlucky to have that team at the same time as Kerry and Tyrone were around. It probably has been of a higher standard overall historically, but not to the extent some are making out. Those days are well over in any case. I cannot see Dublin relinquish their hold on the province ever again. They may get caught the odd year but it's basically their competition now. A full championship shake up is inevitable surely. It's already happening with the Super 8. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/06/2017 22:26:42 1993747 Link 1 |
We have the most AI's because we are the greatest county in Gaelic Football, the equivalent of the All Blacks in Rugby and Brazil in soccer Princes of the Pigskin KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 02/06/2017 22:45:17 1993755 Link 1 |
If people were to name the 15, 20, 30, 50 greatest footballers to ever grace the game, how many would be from Kerry? TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 02/06/2017 23:30:02 1993766 Link 2 |
Yes puck that is exactly Wat we are saying actually
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/06/2017 00:10:44 1993777 Link 0 |
We beat ye in Tralee the year before when ye came to fight we beat ye in the allireland final the year before that mobot when ye had Jim mcguinness. Look I'm not trying to cause a fight but football is what we do, ya a team will come along now and again with something new and we'll struggle but the one thing we've shown over 135 years is we'll adapt and overcome . You don't win 37 allirelands 20 leagues and 79 Munster championships if you're not brilliant and we are Kerry, we are the kingdom. I always try to be humble and play down our chances as I don't want to be arrogant but do you know what ! Feck it I'm going to embrace it and say we are the best there is the best there was and best that will ever be. Now what do ye think of that? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/06/2017 01:38:20 1993790 Link 0 |
Kind of like saying that Dublin have only won their last 4 All Ireland's to the unequal financial distribution (financial doping) and having the extra added advantage of having most of their games at the home Croke Park (Parnell Park doesn't exist come championship and never needs to be developed as it won't be used, adding even more financial weight for Dubs). And one wonders why the other teams in Leinster can't compete anymore when one team is clearly favoured . So there you have it... Financial doping and almost every game at home has made an easy path for Dublin to AI . Firinne (Laois) - Posts: 59 - 03/06/2017 08:03:49 1993812 Link 3 |
Look,being totally honest here, there is no doubt that both Connaught and Ulster have not been huge competition for the powers in Leinster and Munster over a good portion of the years between 1960 and 2000. The troubles essentially would have meant that if Kerry were in Ulster they would not have nearly as many titles.The same would go for any of the other main players also of course.That's just the truth of it.The bottom line is Leinster and Munster had it between them for long periods and have benefited no doubt.I'd also add that the present set up is a poor balance and really needs looking at.That's just my two cents. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 03/06/2017 08:20:23 1993816 Link 0 |
Ye're crap at hurling though:)
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 03/06/2017 09:53:19 1993830 Link 1 |
Since the change in 2001 the all-Ireland has been more competitive and Kerry have still won 5 all-irelands but 6 other teams have also won and teams like Meath, Down & mayo made the finals. I prefer this era and think more changes have to be made. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 03/06/2017 10:03:10 1993833 Link 0 |
Cringy posts from a few in the South West. TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 03/06/2017 10:07:55 1993834 Link 1 |
There are no provinces in the national league. Everybody plays each other once. It is the secondary competition and the better teams are not going full tilt at it. Most teams have used it historically to blood players also so may not be at full strength. We cannot sift through every result and every game and objectively say how hard a team was trying or how 'strong' they were on the day. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 03/06/2017 10:18:13 1993839 Link 1 |
Ha, you're good entertainment I'll give you that. What if I said to you Dublin should have by far the most all Irelands, because of your vastly superior population. It's not even an argument I'd consider debating. You know it might just be down to the crazy notion that it's the quality of the players and the coaching staff that win you championships. Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 130 - 03/06/2017 10:21:23 1993840 Link 0 |
That's it. Nothing at all to do with them investing smartly in underage development, having a well organised network of voluntary coaches and helpers. The fact that they have some class skilful hungry players, the best manager and the best team is just a coincidence. It's all down to the money. Sure we should all stay at home this summer, like Donegal in 2012 and Kerry in 2014.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 03/06/2017 10:24:32 1993841 Link 1 |
Yeah having one foot in a semifinal for 116 years isn't an advantage at all.. sure. All that winning didn't breed generations of kids that wanted in on that, producing many football families generation after generation with only football on their minds. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/06/2017 10:33:11 1993843 Link 1 |
Jimbob's post above makes a number of good points. Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 358 - 03/06/2017 11:50:21 1993863 Link 1 |
Can you explain why we have away more leagues than Dublin and the rest of the country so? And we don't even take that competition seriously. That's 20 league titles to us the nearest to us is Dublin with only 12 who go all out to win it every year. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/06/2017 11:58:57 1993868 Link 0 |
The problem with that comment mate, is you have to say it, simply put if that is true, you shouldn't need to.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/06/2017 12:03:09 1993869 Link 1 |
Il give you that skillet :-) but we're working it.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/06/2017 12:13:50 1993875 Link 0 |