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Replying To Shelbourne: "Monaghan are undoubtedly stronger across the pitch, and Cavan have a few injuries. This coupled with league form would suggest an easy Monaghan win. However, don't forget this is one of the most hotly contested rivalries in the GAA (note the crowd and the passion in the minor match last week). No more than 2 points has separated these sides in the championship since 1994. Monaghan had stronger teams on the way to Ulster titles in 2013 and 2015, and just about got past Cavan on their way to these (in fact Cavan were denied a free at the death to equalize one of the games when the Monaghan goalie overcarried - 13 steps I think and the ref didn't pull him). Monaghan may win, but it will not be easy and it'll be tight. All form goes out the window for these matches.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts:797 - 01/06/2017 11:31:04 1992
Just to refresh your very selective memory Loughduff.....Monaghan had a perfectly legitimate goal not given that day as numerous TV replays showed that not only had the ball clearly crossed the Cavan goal line but the Cavan back retrieved it by handling the ball on the ground. So Monaghan's victory margin should have been more. Those are the facts !" Easy up now, I wasn't being selective, I was just referencing one moment in the match in terms of how close the teams have been recently, and that point stands. At that time, Cavan could have equalised if a free was given. That incident you refer to came was at the start of the match and there was plenty of time left to play to affect the result. You can't say from that that Monaghan would have won by more. The overcarrying incident came at the very end of a match and could very well have been the final score. That does make a difference. Oh and by the way, I really didn't think we can be sure it crossed the line. I recall looking at it many times and still couldn't make up my mind. It was definitely a penalty though....,
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 02/06/2017 11:13:23
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "Ah now SeanFinn, you should not knock All ireland wins, historical or not. I was actually at the 1952 final between Cavan and Meath, the replay that is. My uncle who played with Cavan in the 1930s but missed out on all irelands, took me and a cousin along. We had missed the first game but were promised that 'the next time Cavan are in the final' we would be going. So the replay did the trick.
Dont remember much about the match to be honest, except that it was a miserable day and both teams missed a lot of chances. Were any of you other lads there on the day?" Fair play to you Eddie you must be about 75. Who was your uncle . did he not play on either of the 1933 or 1935 teams.
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If Cavan want some additional motivation to beat Monaghan you should listen to the RTE GAA Podcast. Aaron Kernan seems to think Down are playing Monaghan in the Ulster semi-final with no mention of Cavan. I'm sure the Cavan players will have something to say about that next weekend.
That said, he was also convinced Armagh would beat Down before throw-in yesterday...
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Replying To MourneArmy: "If Cavan want some additional motivation to beat Monaghan you should listen to the RTE GAA Podcast. Aaron Kernan seems to think Down are playing Monaghan in the Ulster semi-final with no mention of Cavan. I'm sure the Cavan players will have something to say about that next weekend.
That said, he was also convinced Armagh would beat Down before throw-in yesterday..." That's his bad prediction for Ulster out of the way then!
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Replying To Shelbourne: "Monaghan are undoubtedly stronger across the pitch, and Cavan have a few injuries. This coupled with league form would suggest an easy Monaghan win. However, don't forget this is one of the most hotly contested rivalries in the GAA (note the crowd and the passion in the minor match last week). No more than 2 points has separated these sides in the championship since 1994. Monaghan had stronger teams on the way to Ulster titles in 2013 and 2015, and just about got past Cavan on their way to these (in fact Cavan were denied a free at the death to equalize one of the games when the Monaghan goalie overcarried - 13 steps I think and the ref didn't pull him). Monaghan may win, but it will not be easy and it'll be tight. All form goes out the window for these matches.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts:797 - 01/06/2017 11:31:04 1992
Just to refresh your very selective memory Loughduff.....Monaghan had a perfectly legitimate goal not given that day as numerous TV replays showed that not only had the ball clearly crossed the Cavan goal line but the Cavan back retrieved it by handling the ball on the ground. So Monaghan's victory margin should have been more. Those are the facts !" You couldn't see if the ball crossed the line or not. And yes it should have being a penalty but it would still have to have being scored. Also can't tell how a goal would have affected game after that. With the overcarrying it was a simple tap over with last kick of game.
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Replying To seanfinn: "Good for you on the TV in 97 - you will note I didn't ignore that somewhat recent success but you're missing the point. History doesn't matter at this stage. The stats are merely for the benefit of your Cavan comrade who thinks history does matter.
Cavan would likely beat Armagh or Down and it wouldn't matter about their respective histories.
If I would be swayed by the past and I don't tend to be - I would look towards players who have proven they can win on a reasonably big occasion (like an Ulster semi-final or better again….a final) and are there on the park playing. Cavan don't have any of those available and it may or may not count. The reason I would say that it might count is two years ago in Breff we were lucky. Our experienced players and bench made the difference. The ghost of Mick Higgins didn't do much for Cavan that day or any other day." Two years ago your bench did make the difference plus a bit of cheating to get Martin Reilly a black card. Dessie I think it was grabbed his arm and pulled him down to make it look the other way round. The black card was rescinded after.
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Replying To patk: "That's his bad prediction for Ulster out of the way then!" Haha! To be fair, I think yesterday's game was difficult to call, on paper Armagh looked stronger but in reality I always thought they were slightly overrated and couldn't get my head around why everyone was tipping them to beat us.
As for next weekends game, Monaghan are favourites, but everyone knows derby matches between yourselves and Cavan are always tight affairs and I was really impressed with Cavan towards the end of the league.
That said, I was so impressed with Monaghan against Dublin in the league. For years we've all been saying Monaghan are one quality forward short of challenging for an All-Ireland, Jack McCarron could just be that forward. Time will tell!
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Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts:797 - 01/06/2017 11:31:04 1992
Just to refresh your very selective memory Loughduff.....Monaghan had a perfectly legitimate goal not given that day as numerous TV replays showed that not only had the ball clearly crossed the Cavan goal line but the Cavan back retrieved it by handling the ball on the ground. So Monaghan's victory margin should have been more. Those are the facts !"
You couldn't see if the ball crossed the line or not. And yes it should have being a penalty but it would still have to have being scored. Also can't tell how a goal would have affected game after that. With the overcarrying it was a simple tap over with last kick of game.
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You Cavan lads have been living so much in the past for almost 50 years now (1 Ulster in 47 years ) that you only see what you want to see. Every TV analyst at the time confirmed that the ball was over the line for a Monaghan goal. This of course has absolutely nothing to do with next weeks game ....may the best team win on the day......but I have no doubt that if both teams play to their abilities then Farney will emerge victorious once again !
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Replying To Shelbourne: "Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts:797 - 01/06/2017 11:31:04 1992
Just to refresh your very selective memory Loughduff.....Monaghan had a perfectly legitimate goal not given that day as numerous TV replays showed that not only had the ball clearly crossed the Cavan goal line but the Cavan back retrieved it by handling the ball on the ground. So Monaghan's victory margin should have been more. Those are the facts !"
You couldn't see if the ball crossed the line or not. And yes it should have being a penalty but it would still have to have being scored. Also can't tell how a goal would have affected game after that. With the overcarrying it was a simple tap over with last kick of game.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:921 - 05/06/2017 16:48:52 1
You Cavan lads have been living so much in the past for almost 50 years now (1 Ulster in 47 years ) that you only see what you want to see. Every TV analyst at the time confirmed that the ball was over the line for a Monaghan goal. This of course has absolutely nothing to do with next weeks game ....may the best team win on the day......but I have no doubt that if both teams play to their abilities then Farney will emerge victorious once again !" After watching it there. Too hard to call. Part of ball might be touching line. Martin Carney said it was definitely over line and he's never wrong.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 05/06/2017 20:47:57
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You Cavan lads have been living so much in the past for almost 50 years now (1 Ulster in 47 years ) that you only see what you want to see. Every TV analyst at the time confirmed that the ball was over the line for a Monaghan goal. This of course has absolutely nothing to do with next weeks game ....may the best team win on the day......but I have no doubt that if both teams play to their abilities then Farney will emerge victorious once again !"
After watching it there. Too hard to call. Part of ball might be touching line. Martin Carney said it was definitely over line and he's never wrong.
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doratheexplorer ..........Specsavers Cavan, pay them a visit.............Martin Carney & myself have already passed with flying colours !
Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 05/06/2017 21:59:40
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All water under the bridge now lads. The past is the past.
As regards next Sunday's game its whoever performs on the day that will win. A good player can have a bad day and an ordinary player a great day.
I will go with to the game with more in hope than faith and maybe i'll not be disappointed. Neither team going to figure in late August or September anyway.
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Not long to go now. Looking forward to this. Monaghan very quiet on how Darren Hughes injury is coming along. Cavan vocal enough thinking he will be fine. Mattie would have the inside knowledge from Scotstown. He would definitely be a bonus if available even if only off the bench.
Tough decisions to be made especially in the half-forward line. Doogan is the only cert and then any 2 from Owen Duffy, Dermot Malone, Shane Carey, Dessie Ward and Ryan McAnespie. Though if O'Connell goes to midfield then McAnespie may get the nod at 7. More likely McAdam in the middle and Walsh, Corey and O'Connell completing the defence. (I would go with Ward - McAnespie - Doogan myself)
Who is the ref?
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See McGleenan mouthing off about Darren Hughes not been that badly injured and that he expects him to play on Sunday!...........Thats very disrespectful talk towards a player who gave him serious commitment over the past number of years while incharge of Scotstown.
Anyways on to the match......Although we are favourites,the serious pressure is on Cavan.This team is the result of their U21 Ulster winning teams,all the players are in their prime and it is now time they delivered at senior level!!!.Terry Hyland got the blame for holding them back with his style of football so with they new man in its all or Nothing for them this Sunday,their manager has even admitted that this is their "Ulster Final".
Some players have not played any games for weeks due to the fear of getting injured.......its a bit drastic for a first round match,but thats what this game means to this Cavan team.
As for us, well its the first round proper of the the Ulster Championship and a battle in Breffni park, one which if we arrive fully motivated and on our game we will have enough class up front to pull away either early or late in the game to win...................But if we land in Breffni and are not ready for a war then we could be turned over.....after the 2015 scare ive a feeling we wont be found wanting and will hopefully start fast and take control.
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Replying To Tim_NicebutDim: "Not long to go now. Looking forward to this. Monaghan very quiet on how Darren Hughes injury is coming along. Cavan vocal enough thinking he will be fine. Mattie would have the inside knowledge from Scotstown. He would definitely be a bonus if available even if only off the bench.
Tough decisions to be made especially in the half-forward line. Doogan is the only cert and then any 2 from Owen Duffy, Dermot Malone, Shane Carey, Dessie Ward and Ryan McAnespie. Though if O'Connell goes to midfield then McAnespie may get the nod at 7. More likely McAdam in the middle and Walsh, Corey and O'Connell completing the defence. (I would go with Ward - McAnespie - Doogan myself)
Who is the ref?" paddy neilan from roscommon the ref
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There is some tension building on here already. Lads are getting very tetchy and its still only Tuesday... quite something for an early season meeting of 2 supposed also-rans. Anyone looking in from outside must be wondering whats going on. (I hope none of you are on the 'Mike McGurns' or you might not make it to Friday...)
My sources over in Coill an Chollaigh tell me that big Argue will be the rabbit out of the hat on Sunday. McVeety is not going to make it; he will be sitting across from Darren Hughes who will not be risked for this one.
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Replying To Tim_NicebutDim: "Not long to go now. Looking forward to this. Monaghan very quiet on how Darren Hughes injury is coming along. Cavan vocal enough thinking he will be fine. Mattie would have the inside knowledge from Scotstown. He would definitely be a bonus if available even if only off the bench.
Tough decisions to be made especially in the half-forward line. Doogan is the only cert and then any 2 from Owen Duffy, Dermot Malone, Shane Carey, Dessie Ward and Ryan McAnespie. Though if O'Connell goes to midfield then McAnespie may get the nod at 7. More likely McAdam in the middle and Walsh, Corey and O'Connell completing the defence. (I would go with Ward - McAnespie - Doogan myself)
Who is the ref?" Does the fact that you consider Doogan a shoe-in not show you all that is preventing this Monaghan team from taking the next step forward??
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I'm looking forward to this one ,, interesting battles on the field with the match up of mc manus and Faulkner for one , he done a good job on mc manus in the league but league and championship is a different animal , the other will be Mc Carron will he be fit to do it when closely marked am not sure he will but I could be proven wrong Sunday , I think Monaghans weak area is midfield , especially if C huges does something silly again
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Argue played in 2015 at full forward and was taken off so nothing new there k clarke didnt play as he was injured
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Replying To cavanman47: "Does the fact that you consider Doogan a shoe-in not show you all that is preventing this Monaghan team from taking the next step forward??" That's a strange take on things. Doogan had a fine league in Division 1 and is the type of player all teams need these days - a lad who will work all day up and down the pitch. The work the likes of he does allows the lads further up the pitch to take the scores and the headlines.
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I expect c mc manus to have a big match in him on sunday as he was well marked /injured in league match in cblaney still could be the difference! !!!!
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