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Cavan V Monaghan

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Monaghan favourites. Seasoned Div 1 team. Improved since last year with addition of Jack McCarron, Conor McCarthy also a year older and better.
McManus still better than anything we have. Monaghan have one of the best Goalkeepers in the country and have also one of if not THE best full-backs in Drew Wylie. They have strong runners in Karl O'Connell and Gavin Dougan. experience on the bench with the Duffys, Dessie Mone and Dermot Malone. We still have not enough fire-power up front and are too reliant on Gearoid McKiernan for scores. If he is well marshalled then not sure where scores are going to come from especially if McVeety is still injured. Cavan by 2.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 01/06/2017 00:18:20    1992879

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This is going to be a serious close game. Monaghan are deservedly favourites with the bookies - something that we often find it difficult to deal with!
I think Cavan will have targeted this games since the draw was made and on that basis I fancy them to edge this. It kills me to say that but I just think this is their biggest game of the year by a mile, we've got over the line against them by a point so many times recently that they are due one!

Cavan by a point :-(

bigfrankt (Monaghan) - Posts: 123 - 01/06/2017 08:09:18    1992888

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Monaghan favourites. Seasoned Div 1 team. Improved since last year with addition of Jack McCarron, Conor McCarthy also a year older and better.
McManus still better than anything we have. Monaghan have one of the best Goalkeepers in the country and have also one of if not THE best full-backs in Drew Wylie. They have strong runners in Karl O'Connell and Gavin Dougan. experience on the bench with the Duffys, Dessie Mone and Dermot Malone. We still have not enough fire-power up front and are too reliant on Gearoid McKiernan for scores. If he is well marshalled then not sure where scores are going to come from especially if McVeety is still injured. Cavan by 2."
I love how you backed up your prediction with such a well constructed post! ;)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 01/06/2017 09:25:32    1992902

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A few injuries in the Cavan camp I'm told. They would need every man fit and firing if they are to trouble a battle hardened Monaghan team. They'll give the Farney boys a tougher test than Fermanagh but I'd ultimately expect Monaghan to prevail by 5 or 6 points.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 01/06/2017 09:29:14    1992905

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Depends on how far you want to go with History....65 years by the looks of it. If you do manage to beat Monaghan then history suggests than Down would beat you lot. More recent winners of Sam, in fact all FIVE wins since Cavan last won it.

39 ulster titles....1 in the last 48 years. In that same time Down have won five, Armagh have won TEN and Sam once.

IF Cavan get over Monaghan they will need more than History on their side to win Ulster.

(PS - In that same period Monaghan have won 5 Anglo Celts to Cavan's one - Imagine that. Success in colour TV)

I will stick with my original prediction Monaghan +2...."
Love the stats mate.

You forgot one though:

Monaghan - 0 (Zero) All-Irelands in 132 (one hundred and thirty two) years

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12123 - 01/06/2017 10:20:24    1992923

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Monaghan are undoubtedly stronger across the pitch, and Cavan have a few injuries. This coupled with league form would suggest an easy Monaghan win. However, don't forget this is one of the most hotly contested rivalries in the GAA (note the crowd and the passion in the minor match last week). No more than 2 points has separated these sides in the championship since 1994. Monaghan had stronger teams on the way to Ulster titles in 2013 and 2015, and just about got past Cavan on their way to these (in fact Cavan were denied a free at the death to equalize one of the games when the Monaghan goalie overcarried - 13 steps I think and the ref didn't pull him). Monaghan may win, but it will not be easy and it'll be tight. All form goes out the window for these matches.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 01/06/2017 11:31:04    1992969

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Love the stats mate.

You forgot one though:

Monaghan - 0 (Zero) All-Irelands in 132 (one hundred and thirty two) years"
No...I didn't forget that Cavan have one 39 Ulster titles or have won Sam 5 times. It just means little or nothing to the game ahead. In fairness, impossible to forget Cavan's great success in the past as like the English soccer fans....Cavan football fans are quick to remind us about their glory days. However, per Foxes Denn post, its history....and not even recent history. I have seen Cavan win one Anglo Celt in my lifetime. Not one of the players has won an ulster title (yet!!) and a fair few of them/most of them wouldn't even remember 1997.

Cavan are overdue a title for sure....but long distant history means nothing.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/06/2017 12:05:17    1992995

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Replying To seanfinn:  "No...I didn't forget that Cavan have one 39 Ulster titles or have won Sam 5 times. It just means little or nothing to the game ahead. In fairness, impossible to forget Cavan's great success in the past as like the English soccer fans....Cavan football fans are quick to remind us about their glory days. However, per Foxes Denn post, its history....and not even recent history. I have seen Cavan win one Anglo Celt in my lifetime. Not one of the players has won an ulster title (yet!!) and a fair few of them/most of them wouldn't even remember 1997.

Cavan are overdue a title for sure....but long distant history means nothing."
Yeah I know all the stats thanks. Pick any timeframe you like and Monaghan have zero all irelands, it's just funny seeing stats being quoted that are clearly knowingly ignoring this elephant in the room.

You were quoting Down and Armaghs achievements to highlight Cavans underachievement in a selected timeframe. Apparently unaware that this highlights Monaghans as well.

"In the last 48 years". That's a very arbitrary timeframe. I wonder why you went with that one?

We had a colour TV in 97 - imagine that!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12123 - 01/06/2017 12:40:23    1993014

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Yeah I know all the stats thanks. Pick any timeframe you like and Monaghan have zero all irelands, it's just funny seeing stats being quoted that are clearly knowingly ignoring this elephant in the room.

You were quoting Down and Armaghs achievements to highlight Cavans underachievement in a selected timeframe. Apparently unaware that this highlights Monaghans as well.

"In the last 48 years". That's a very arbitrary timeframe. I wonder why you went with that one?

We had a colour TV in 97 - imagine that!"
I think highlighting that history means nothing to the match ahead to be fair!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 01/06/2017 13:03:07    1993025

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Yeah I know all the stats thanks. Pick any timeframe you like and Monaghan have zero all irelands, it's just funny seeing stats being quoted that are clearly knowingly ignoring this elephant in the room.

You were quoting Down and Armaghs achievements to highlight Cavans underachievement in a selected timeframe. Apparently unaware that this highlights Monaghans as well.

"In the last 48 years". That's a very arbitrary timeframe. I wonder why you went with that one?

We had a colour TV in 97 - imagine that!"
Great post Bref.

forget about it monaghan - we will beat youse out the gate next weekend.

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 129 - 01/06/2017 13:29:26    1993054

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Yeah I know all the stats thanks. Pick any timeframe you like and Monaghan have zero all irelands, it's just funny seeing stats being quoted that are clearly knowingly ignoring this elephant in the room.

You were quoting Down and Armaghs achievements to highlight Cavans underachievement in a selected timeframe. Apparently unaware that this highlights Monaghans as well.

"In the last 48 years". That's a very arbitrary timeframe. I wonder why you went with that one?

We had a colour TV in 97 - imagine that!"
Good for you on the TV in 97 - you will note I didn't ignore that somewhat recent success but you're missing the point. History doesn't matter at this stage. The stats are merely for the benefit of your Cavan comrade who thinks history does matter.
Cavan would likely beat Armagh or Down and it wouldn't matter about their respective histories.
If I would be swayed by the past and I don't tend to be - I would look towards players who have proven they can win on a reasonably big occasion (like an Ulster semi-final or better again….a final) and are there on the park playing. Cavan don't have any of those available and it may or may not count. The reason I would say that it might count is two years ago in Breff we were lucky. Our experienced players and bench made the difference. The ghost of Mick Higgins didn't do much for Cavan that day or any other day.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/06/2017 13:39:38    1993061

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Replying To achara:  "I think highlighting that history means nothing to the match ahead to be fair!"
I completely agree, it's seanfinn delving into history, not me!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12123 - 01/06/2017 13:52:07    1993071

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Monaghan are undoubtedly stronger across the pitch, and Cavan have a few injuries. This coupled with league form would suggest an easy Monaghan win. However, don't forget this is one of the most hotly contested rivalries in the GAA (note the crowd and the passion in the minor match last week). No more than 2 points has separated these sides in the championship since 1994. Monaghan had stronger teams on the way to Ulster titles in 2013 and 2015, and just about got past Cavan on their way to these (in fact Cavan were denied a free at the death to equalize one of the games when the Monaghan goalie overcarried - 13 steps I think and the ref didn't pull him). Monaghan may win, but it will not be easy and it'll be tight. All form goes out the window for these matches.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts:797 - 01/06/2017 11:31:04 1992

Just to refresh your very selective memory Loughduff.....Monaghan had a perfectly legitimate goal not given that day as numerous TV replays showed that not only had the ball clearly crossed the Cavan goal line but the Cavan back retrieved it by handling the ball on the ground. So Monaghan's victory margin should have been more. Those are the facts !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 01/06/2017 15:16:49    1993099

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Replying To Breffni39:  "I completely agree, it's seanfinn delving into history, not me!"
No bref - Cavan Man brought history in to it. Your buddy 'Foxes Denn'.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/06/2017 15:45:26    1993111

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Replying To seanfinn:  "No bref - Cavan Man brought history in to it. Your buddy 'Foxes Denn'."
Think it's fairly obvious he's on the wind up.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12123 - 01/06/2017 16:09:01    1993124

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Think it's fairly obvious he's on the wind up."
Indeed he is...and in good company :)

Anyway - call it Breff. Are Cavan going to win? If so, by how much.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/06/2017 18:59:32    1993212

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Indeed he is...and in good company :)

Anyway - call it Breff. Are Cavan going to win? If so, by how much."
Cavan all day long here Sean Finn. Monaghan done, ~Cavan will be too mobile for them and more natural talented players, sorry

pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 01/06/2017 20:06:27    1993251

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Whenever an O'Classico comes around, the Cavan lads always like to remind us Monaghan folk of their much richer history, which then leads to Monaghan ones pointing out how long ago their successes were. Sometimes the Cavan crowd start it, other times we do. Either way it's a never ending cycle.

Truth is none of that matters next week. It comes down to the two sets of players on the pitch and I'm relatively confident we'll prevail. On paper I would say we're worthy favourites, but in a derby like this that kinda goes out the window. It will be a scrappy game and not one for the purists. Cavan being at home is another plus for them but I still think we should win. We've an established side at this stage well used to these kind of games, in Ulster especially. I know our last couple of meetings were very tight but we still edged them out, and winning close games like that is a good trait to have in a team. I feel we've improved in an attacking sense with the reemergence of McCarron and McCarthy coming through also, and we have good experienced options off the bench for what will be a tight and tense second half I'm sure. Our defence is generally a very good unit but they'll need to be more tuned in than they were against Fermanagh. This is a game where we'll feel the loss of Darren Hughes, and it's hugely important his brother Kieran sticks to the football and doesn't get involved in any niggly stuff. McGleenan managed him at Scotstown for a few years and will know exactly what buttons to push. If he goes off as early as he did against Fermanagh then we could be in bother.

All that said, it will be a tight game but I'd be disappointed if we didn't win this, and I think we will by a few. Cavan have had alot of good young lads come through in recent years, but they haven't quite made the breakthrough at senior level. Maybe this is the game they do(and I'd imagine the winners will progress to the Ulster final), but I just don't see it happening this year.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 01/06/2017 21:23:09    1993287

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Replying To pretender:  "Cavan all day long here Sean Finn. Monaghan done, ~Cavan will be too mobile for them and more natural talented players, sorry"
Cavan have a decent team for sure. I fancy our chances to shade it. I am expecting a great game though. I would hate to go home with a defeat but we are owed one....it has to stop some time....Just hopefully not next weekend.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 01/06/2017 21:44:07    1993292

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Replying To seanfinn:  "No...I didn't forget that Cavan have one 39 Ulster titles or have won Sam 5 times. It just means little or nothing to the game ahead. In fairness, impossible to forget Cavan's great success in the past as like the English soccer fans....Cavan football fans are quick to remind us about their glory days. However, per Foxes Denn post, its history....and not even recent history. I have seen Cavan win one Anglo Celt in my lifetime. Not one of the players has won an ulster title (yet!!) and a fair few of them/most of them wouldn't even remember 1997.

Cavan are overdue a title for sure....but long distant history means nothing."
Ah now SeanFinn, you should not knock All ireland wins, historical or not. I was actually at the 1952 final between Cavan and Meath, the replay that is. My uncle who played with Cavan in the 1930s but missed out on all irelands, took me and a cousin along. We had missed the first game but were promised that 'the next time Cavan are in the final' we would be going. So the replay did the trick.
Dont remember much about the match to be honest, except that it was a miserable day and both teams missed a lot of chances. Were any of you other lads there on the day?

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1064 - 01/06/2017 23:27:33    1993329

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