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Replying To Mayonman: "Dublin & Kerry are attacking sides. It is not about men behind the ball it is about committing when u attack and they both fully commit when they attach.
Donegal won playing very negative stuff but they are the exception. Generally the defensive stuff will make u competitive but not bring u all the way.
Some Dublin player suggested 2 points for a score outside the 45. this would encourage teams to push out a bit more leaving a little more space inside. I haven't thought it through but at least it is different. Might work." Firstly I've been stating the 2 point idea for over a year on here and I have stated my reasoning being you have to give them a reason to come out.
Secondly Donegal did commit men forward in 2012. Donegal scored on average 17 points a game their winning season with players such as Frank McGlynn, Mark McHugh and Karl Lacey regularly finding their names on the score sheet. Please enlighten me as to how they managed this feat without adding men into the attack?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 31/05/2017 14:48:19
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Replying To Mayonman: "Dublin & Kerry are attacking sides. It is not about men behind the ball it is about committing when u attack and they both fully commit when they attach.
Donegal won playing very negative stuff but they are the exception. Generally the defensive stuff will make u competitive but not bring u all the way.
Some Dublin player suggested 2 points for a score outside the 45. this would encourage teams to push out a bit more leaving a little more space inside. I haven't thought it through but at least it is different. Might work."
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12125 - 31/05/2017 14:52:46
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Replying To Mayonman: "Dublin & Kerry are attacking sides. It is not about men behind the ball it is about committing when u attack and they both fully commit when they attach.
Donegal won playing very negative stuff but they are the exception. Generally the defensive stuff will make u competitive but not bring u all the way.
Some Dublin player suggested 2 points for a score outside the 45. this would encourage teams to push out a bit more leaving a little more space inside. I haven't thought it through but at least it is different. Might work." Such blatant nonsense
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12125 - 31/05/2017 14:53:06
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Go watch games form the past. Even the glorified days of the 90s. A lot of them were good, a lot of them were awful too.
Go watch any sport, a lot of the games are good and a lot of the games are awful.
Gaelic Football seems to be the only sport in the entire world that has to be perfect in some people's eyes. It's ridiculous.
The game has been evolving quickly for the last 15 or so years. The last 15 years have given us some of the greatest Gaelic Football matches ever played. It has also given us some terrible games. Exactly like the 15 years before that and the 15 years before that etc etc etc.
I'm not entirely against rule changes if they're intelligently thought out and extensively trialled. Not just thrown together because "something must be done" about a problem that doesn't actually exist.
Gaelic Football is really the most resilient sport in the world. It has had nearly 2 decades of constant unwarranted criticism (that isn't backed up in anyway shape or form) but yet it is still by far the biggest sport in terms of attendances, player numbers etc in the country.
The biggest threat to the game is the constant negativity being hurled at it. Negativity which is basically based upon the sport being a little different than what it used to be like. It's baffling that those who shout loudest are heard on this issue.
The game has gone to the dogs despite their being more skill and more amazing scores than ever before. Seriously go and watch the standard of score taking and shooting in the past. It doesn't compare in any way favourably with the present.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 31/05/2017 15:38:59
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Alright lads, long time reader, first time poster. I felt the need to comment on this thread because of the amount of criticism, negativity and rubbish that is being leveled against Gaelic Football on HS and various other fora.
First of all, the idea of banning something from a sport just because people don't like it and it mightn't be the nicest thing to look at is just ridiculous. If that's the case, why don't we ban goalkeepers and reduce the amount of defenders on the field so that talented (and not so talented) forwards can kick beautiful scores unopposed? The way I see it, defending and the ability to stop the opposing team from scoring against you is as much of a skill as attacking is and to alter the rules of a sport to benefit attackers would be doing the sport, and its loyal supporters everywhere a disservice.
I think the main problem here is that counties have committed to using a blanket defence but are either i) doing it badly or ii) not committing the numbers to attacking when they win the ball back. I will use Derry as an example simply due to the fact that they played last weekend. When Derry's defence turned the ball over, they didn't attack with the urgency or the numbers required and usually ran out of ideas on Tyrone's 45 when faced with an organised defensive structure. This is not the blanket defence's fault. This is simply the fault of the Derry management and players who could not attack effectively. I used Derry as an example but this could be repeated for countless counties over the past 4-5 years. However, even with this apparent reduction of skill and the death of the game we love, average scoring per game is far higher now than it was 20 to 30 years ago.
Finally, for those who are complaining about how defensive football is ruining our game, the blanket defence will not be around forever. All sports go through developmental phases where teams experiment with defensive structures until a team or a number of teams figure out how to break down such structures. This happened in soccer with the catenaccio style of play favoured by the Italians. Once this was figured out, it faded into obscurity. My advice would be to get out, support your counties and to form your own opinions independent of those negative views coming from Donnybrook.
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Replying To TurnoverMachine: "Alright lads, long time reader, first time poster. I felt the need to comment on this thread because of the amount of criticism, negativity and rubbish that is being leveled against Gaelic Football on HS and various other fora.
First of all, the idea of banning something from a sport just because people don't like it and it mightn't be the nicest thing to look at is just ridiculous. If that's the case, why don't we ban goalkeepers and reduce the amount of defenders on the field so that talented (and not so talented) forwards can kick beautiful scores unopposed? The way I see it, defending and the ability to stop the opposing team from scoring against you is as much of a skill as attacking is and to alter the rules of a sport to benefit attackers would be doing the sport, and its loyal supporters everywhere a disservice.
I think the main problem here is that counties have committed to using a blanket defence but are either i) doing it badly or ii) not committing the numbers to attacking when they win the ball back. I will use Derry as an example simply due to the fact that they played last weekend. When Derry's defence turned the ball over, they didn't attack with the urgency or the numbers required and usually ran out of ideas on Tyrone's 45 when faced with an organised defensive structure. This is not the blanket defence's fault. This is simply the fault of the Derry management and players who could not attack effectively. I used Derry as an example but this could be repeated for countless counties over the past 4-5 years. However, even with this apparent reduction of skill and the death of the game we love, average scoring per game is far higher now than it was 20 to 30 years ago.
Finally, for those who are complaining about how defensive football is ruining our game, the blanket defence will not be around forever. All sports go through developmental phases where teams experiment with defensive structures until a team or a number of teams figure out how to break down such structures. This happened in soccer with the catenaccio style of play favoured by the Italians. Once this was figured out, it faded into obscurity. My advice would be to get out, support your counties and to form your own opinions independent of those negative views coming from Donnybrook." You should post more often.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 31/05/2017 19:07:12
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For me the main problem with the blanket defense is that it makes frees more important (and these frees would typically be in the scoring zone). This places more pressure on referees to make the right calls and be consistent. Unfortunately that is an impossible task for refs because there is such a fine line between a foul and no foul. The tackle is a bit of a mess (I don't propose any solution!) and it is typically just a judgement call. Even harder when you have 2 or 3 men surrounding the ball carrier hitting him slaps although you will generally find that refs have little sympathy when the ball carrier gets himself into this situation and will invariably give a free out irrespective or the legality of the tackling.
benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 01/06/2017 11:21:01
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Maybe somebody has mentioned this already but one way of dealing with blanket defending might be to only allow a maximum number of players in the defending teams half - maybe 9 or 10. The other players must remain in their own half. What we might see then is the attacking players parking themselves near the halfway line. However, if they did step back into their own half, a free could be awarded from the halfway line.
Sliotharyslope (Wexford) - Posts: 136 - 05/06/2017 14:35:07
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