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May I remind people off the GAA's main maid set......MONEY. All boils down to how much money is made at the end of the year. Too be fair to pump into new projects and improvements. And also Dublin. Always need money for Dublin ;) The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 09/05/2017 19:47:53 1985528 Link
Replying To OLLIE: "I would have a two tier championship and play the league along side the championship. The two tier championship would have 16 teams in each grade. There would be four groups of four and each team would play would play each each other once so they would get three matches each. The top two would go through to the quarter-finals and the bottom teams in each group would play-off in a relegation play-off. The team that would be lose would be relegated to the bottom tier and would be replaced by the team that wins the second tier championship. I would get rid of replays bar the final. If a match ends after 70 mins, it goes to extra-time and then it goes to a free kick shoot out until there is a winner. The Inter County season would start in April and finish in Aug. I would also go back to the old fashion league where there was quarter-finals. But instead of having the top four in Division One, top two in Division Two, and top team in Division three and four, I would have the top two teams in each Division in the quarter-finals. I would scrap all the winter competitions such as O'Byrne Cup etc. Here is my proposal if it happened this year. Apr 2: League Round 1 Apr 9: League Round 2 Apr 16: Easter Bank Hol (No matches) Apr 23: League Round 3 Apr 30: May Bank Hol (No matches) May 7: Championship Group Stage Match 1 May 14: League Round 4 May 21: Championship Group Stage Match 2 May 28: League Round 5 June 4: June Bank Hol (No matches) June 11: Championship Group Stage Match 3 June 18: League Round 6 June 25: Championship Quarter-Finals/Relegation Play-Offs S/F July 2: League Round 7 July 9: Championship Semi-Finals/Relegation Play-Off Final July 16: League Q/F July 23: League S/F July 30: Championship Finals Aug 6: Aug Bank Hol (No matches) Aug 13: League Final" If you're getting rid of Provincial championships I really like the idea of playing 2 league style tournaments every year like South America. You have the Spring league and Summer league. It'd work particularly well for hurling. You'd go back to divisions of 8 and 2 up 2 down. Play the spring league. Top 2 into the spring league final on May bank holiday. Play the summer league. Top 2 to summer league final on August bank holiday. If required a Liam McCarthy cup match gets played the week after the August bank holiday. Every year 6 teams play division 1 hurling all year. 4 teams play a mix of division 1 and 2 hurling. Every team is guaranteed 14 matches a season. Club action can be easily accommodated because the fixtures are set in stone early. 17 weekends at most are used for the competitions. You'd have good games coming at you every week for 6 months. Team's seasons wouldn't be defined by the result in 1 off games, that'd maybe improve the ridiculous over-training that goes on in the game. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4247 - 09/05/2017 19:59:16 1985532 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "May I remind people off the GAA's main maid set......MONEY. All boils down to how much money is made at the end of the year. Too be fair to pump into new projects and improvements. And also Dublin. Always need money for Dublin ;)" If it was all about money why are so many teams not playing competitive matches during the summer months when people would be more inclined to attend matches? Clare and Limerick played an under 21 hurling Munster final in Ennis 2 years ago in the end of July. 20,000 showed up - both Senior Hurling teams were out of the Championship and would not puck a ball till the following year! Surely if the GAA are only interested in money then teams would be playing the majority of their matches during the summer, and not the winter? As for the Dublin snipe - they run an excellent ship, professional to the core. They get the most out of what they have. They should be admired and Counties should be trying to learn from them. If your ship is in shape and your unable to beat them, then take it like a man, and continue to learn and grow. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1421 - 09/05/2017 21:55:27 1985555 Link
Replying To Ban: "If it was all about money why are so many teams not playing competitive matches during the summer months when people would be more inclined to attend matches? Clare and Limerick played an under 21 hurling Munster final in Ennis 2 years ago in the end of July. 20,000 showed up - both Senior Hurling teams were out of the Championship and would not puck a ball till the following year! Surely if the GAA are only interested in money then teams would be playing the majority of their matches during the summer, and not the winter? As for the Dublin snipe - they run an excellent ship, professional to the core. They get the most out of what they have. They should be admired and Counties should be trying to learn from them. If your ship is in shape and your unable to beat them, then take it like a man, and continue to learn and grow." How can you play an u21 championship and a senior championship when a lot of the players play for both teams? you would have players playing on a Saturday and sunday all summer. Stop been stupid. The GAA is a business and money is a massive part of it, as it should be. I mean Casement and Cork's new ground need massive investment to build and maintain. The Dublin thing was a joke, lighten up. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 10/05/2017 12:37:25 1985646 Link
How can you play an u21 championship and a senior championship when a lot of the players play for both teams? you would have players playing on a Saturday and sunday all summer. Stop being stupid. The GAA is a business and money is a massive part of it, as it should be. I mean Casement and Cork's new ground need massive investment to build and maintain. The Dublin thing was a joke, lighten up. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:608 - 10/05/2017 12:37:25 Very simple. If on seniors but underage for u21 you play senior and only play u21 if dropped or not started for the senior teams ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/05/2017 13:35:21 1985671 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "How can you play an u21 championship and a senior championship when a lot of the players play for both teams? you would have players playing on a Saturday and sunday all summer. Stop been stupid. The GAA is a business and money is a massive part of it, as it should be. I mean Casement and Cork's new ground need massive investment to build and maintain. The Dublin thing was a joke, lighten up." Regarding the under 21 thing. As you quiet rightly pointed out, there will be players lining out for boths teams. So, the Provincial Councils use the weekdays to fix the Under 21 Championship matches so they wont clash with the weekend fixed Senior Championship games. This way, both Senior and Under 21 Championships can be run in paralell Its ironic being the stupid one that I find myself educating! As for the GAA being a business Your right again. Money plays a massive part in the development of all aspects of the game - but, the County boards have little influence over the season and championship structure. My point being that if money was all the GAA were interested in, then surely they would exploit the game in a way which would lead to more games in the main competition and therefor more money. I believe the people in control have more interest in their own position and power, and over look the core reason for their existence. As for the Dublin thing Forgive me for thinking you were just another poster drumming up a very old excuse.. But I'll promise to lighten up if you promise to cool down :-) Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1421 - 10/05/2017 13:56:06 1985679 Link
Replying To Ban: "Regarding the under 21 thing. As you quiet rightly pointed out, there will be players lining out for boths teams. So, the Provincial Councils use the weekdays to fix the Under 21 Championship matches so they wont clash with the weekend fixed Senior Championship games. This way, both Senior and Under 21 Championships can be run in paralell Its ironic being the stupid one that I find myself educating! As for the GAA being a business Your right again. Money plays a massive part in the development of all aspects of the game - but, the County boards have little influence over the season and championship structure. My point being that if money was all the GAA were interested in, then surely they would exploit the game in a way which would lead to more games in the main competition and therefor more money. I believe the people in control have more interest in their own position and power, and over look the core reason for their existence. As for the Dublin thing Forgive me for thinking you were just another poster drumming up a very old excuse.. But I'll promise to lighten up if you promise to cool down :-)" Read my name, im the coolest person around here :) Donegal u21's had to play 4 or 5 games over the space of a few weeks and Donegal management said it was a major factor in them getting beat in the semi's. You cant expect a lad of 19/20 to play a full game on a Wednesday night which may include extra time then play a senior game 3/4 days later. what happens if both games are drawn? Have we forgotten about player burnout? That was the buzz topic for a few weeks. The Dubs know the craic, they hear a lot worse from the Kerry lads :) The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 10/05/2017 15:44:49 1985724 Link
Replying To ormondbannerman: "How can you play an u21 championship and a senior championship when a lot of the players play for both teams? you would have players playing on a Saturday and sunday all summer. Stop being stupid. The GAA is a business and money is a massive part of it, as it should be. I mean Casement and Cork's new ground need massive investment to build and maintain. The Dublin thing was a joke, lighten up. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:608 - 10/05/2017 12:37:25 Very simple. If on seniors but underage for u21 you play senior and only play u21 if dropped or not started for the senior teams" devalues the competition. Players and supporters want to the watch and play the best. U21 would be a shadow competition without the best players. less supporters etc. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 10/05/2017 15:48:51 1985726 Link
back door has only helped the stronger counties,and looking at the roll of honour since their inception only proves that point. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 10/05/2017 16:09:14 1985731 Link
Replying To perfect10: "back door has only helped the stronger counties,and looking at the roll of honour since their inception only proves that point." Certainly agree the back door isnt perfect. However the reason they came in is because teams would train for 1 game, get beat, then that's that. Away to armercia for the summer. That isn't ideal either. The back door generates money for the GAA. So there is always going to be a version of the back door. Say Dublin get beat in the first round 3 years in a row, unlikely at this stage, but in the future. Think of the lost revenue for the GAA. Attendances would plummet etc. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 10/05/2017 17:15:18 1985745 Link
devalues the competition. Players and supporters want to the watch and play the best. U21 would be a shadow competition without the best players. less supporters etc. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:612 - 10/05/2017 15:48:51 It doesnt devalue the competition. And its better solution than others. Counties schedules need to be better with more games while also providing more time for clubs. And a guy who is playing inter county at senior level doesnt need to play u21. ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/05/2017 20:20:52 1985794 Link
Replying To ormondbannerman: "devalues the competition. Players and supporters want to the watch and play the best. U21 would be a shadow competition without the best players. less supporters etc. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:612 - 10/05/2017 15:48:51 It doesnt devalue the competition. And its better solution than others. Counties schedules need to be better with more games while also providing more time for clubs. And a guy who is playing inter county at senior level doesnt need to play u21." It does devalue the competition. People want to watch the best players. If they are playing senior then the u21 becomes a poorer competition. Less people will pay in to watch it. Poor all round for players, management and supporters The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 10/05/2017 20:42:02 1985803 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "devalues the competition. Players and supporters want to the watch and play the best. U21 would be a shadow competition without the best players. less supporters etc. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:612 - 10/05/2017 15:48:51 It doesnt devalue the competition. And its better solution than others. Counties schedules need to be better with more games while also providing more time for clubs. And a guy who is playing inter county at senior level doesnt need to play u21." It does devalue the competition. People want to watch the best players. If they are playing senior then the u21 becomes a poorer competition. Less people will pay in to watch it. Poor all round for players, management and supporters" Of course it devalues any competition if the best players do not play in it. Just look at the state of club rugby since all the decent players have been hoovered up by the provinces. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 945 - 10/05/2017 22:09:22 1985837 Link
we know its all about money, but to freshen up things and see how it would work it would be nice to revert back..and I think teams might take the League more serious too as it would be a serious secondary competition, as now its just a prep ground for the championship as we see with teams winning or reaching league final loosing early in the championship.. Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1035 - 10/05/2017 23:37:46 1985861 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "we know its all about money, but to freshen up things and see how it would work it would be nice to revert back..and I think teams might take the League more serious too as it would be a serious secondary competition, as now its just a prep ground for the championship as we see with teams winning or reaching league final loosing early in the championship.." The royal "we"? PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1908 - 11/05/2017 10:10:48 1985891 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "The royal "we"?" ok..as teams who win the league (with exception of Tipp, Kilkenny or Dublin) nearly always go out in early round of championship.. Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1035 - 12/05/2017 00:28:04 1986104 Link
Replying To perfect10: "back door has only helped the stronger counties,and looking at the roll of honour since their inception only proves that point." Because prior to it Fermanagh and Wexford (post 1918) played in All Ireland semi finals. Tipperary had also played in an All Ireland semi final on numerous occasions pre 2001. Tyrone had numerous All Ireland titles before the introduction of the All Ireland qualifier system. Indeed prior to the introduction of the qualifiers I don't think Kerry or Dublin had won an All Ireland between them. Galway who prior to the introduction of the All Ireland qualifier system had the third highest number of Sam Maguire wins continued this trend of success after 2001. Doesn't matter the competition layout, the cream will rise to the top. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/05/2017 14:09:00 1986243 Link
I don't think we will see the old championship system ever brought back.It had its day. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 13/05/2017 13:24:46 1986416 Link
What an advertisement for knock out championship football tonight in Parnell park. you will go a long way to see a more open entertaining and quality game of club football. End to end stuff with castleknock coming through in extra time over plunketts. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/05/2017 22:17:10 1986488 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Because prior to it Fermanagh and Wexford (post 1918) played in All Ireland semi finals. Tipperary had also played in an All Ireland semi final on numerous occasions pre 2001. Tyrone had numerous All Ireland titles before the introduction of the All Ireland qualifier system. Indeed prior to the introduction of the qualifiers I don't think Kerry or Dublin had won an All Ireland between them. Galway who prior to the introduction of the All Ireland qualifier system had the third highest number of Sam Maguire wins continued this trend of success after 2001. Doesn't matter the competition layout, the cream will rise to the top." Leitrim were in All-Ireland semi-final in 1994. Clare were in one in 1992. Sligo were in one 1976. Offaly were winning All-Irelands. All of this, much like any of what you said, neither argues for nor against the back door. However, what we cannot dispute is: 1. The cream will always rise to the top (as you mentioned). 2. The backdoor helps the better teams. In a 'cup' competition in the tradition of the FA Cup (or how our championship was run), all teams are eliminated from winning as soon as they lose once. The stronger the team, the lower the chance of defeat. If they have to lose twice in order to be eliminated, then surely the existence of the backdoor is going to help the stronger teams. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/05/2017 22:45:44 1986492 Link