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When we dragged ourselves up, started regularly beating ye in minor and under 21 ye went back to seeding the Munster championship. As Marlon pointed out ye left the Munster championship, the open Munster hurling championship that is, where the all-Ireland and Munster champions got drawn in the quarter finals this year. If that was the football championship we would have been seeded in our ivory tower, patiently waiting to see who would be worthy of playing us. Getting back to the structure it's complete BS full stop. With Kerry in the Leinster round robin they should be either let into the Munster proper or Leinster proper if they won the provincial qualifier group in Leinster. All that will happen now is we will lose the unseeded and brilliant Munster hurling championship to be replaced by a diluted version that won't appeal to fans until the Munster final. There was a big crowd at Tipp vs Cork and we won't see crowds like that again. All this will do is drag out the championship and have the same teams in the Munster final ever year without much surprise. The only good thing to come out of this mess is Galway will rightfully have two home games a season going forward. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 07/06/2017 02:23:47 1996151 Link 0 |
What? Kerry were given the option to join Munster or Leinster round robin. Of course they chose Leinster, get a few games against teams at their level. Makes sense. They have come 3rd both times, so seem to have found their level.
The Real 1944 (Carlow) - Posts: 1114 - 07/06/2017 03:55:49 1996153 Link 0 |
Having 2 groups of 5 is straightforward. The upstart qualifier counties are collectively a spanner in the works. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2017 08:46:02 1996184 Link 0 |
Under the HDC's proposals, the third team in Munster and Leinster would play a Liam MacCarthy qualifier against the top two teams in Group C. The Group C winner would also be promoted to the top tier in Leinster for the following year. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2017 16:34:48 1996564 Link 0 |
I think it is a step forward, but again the club player might not be served too well with this new format. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 07/06/2017 17:50:32 1996593 Link 0 |
The provincial structure of 5 teams in a group should prove successful. There's a responsibility to fairly and properly include the qualifier group counties. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 07/06/2017 18:23:00 1996611 Link 0 |
4. Why have Sligo been placed in the Rackard cup? They only came third in the Meagher cup this year and yet they're promoted whereas whichever team of Leitrim and Warwickshire loses the Meagher final won't be promoted. I figured it out. And it stinks a little of laziness in the end. First, the classification of teams in the proposal for 2018: Leinster: Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny, Offaly, Wexford, Munster: Clare, Cork, Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford Qualifier group: Laois, Westmeath, Kerry, Antrim, Carlow Ring: Armagh, Derry, Down, Kildare, London, Mayo, Meath, Wicklow. Rackard: Donegal, Leitrim, or, Warwickshire, Longford, Louth, Monaghan, Roscommon, Sligo, Tyrone. Meagher: Cavan, Fermanagh, Lancashire and either Leitrim or Warwickshire. The changes from the way this is in 2016 are as follows: - Meath dropped down from the 2016 race for Sam (which contains 14 teams, not counting the Ring Cup winners) - Antrim and Carlow moved up from Ring to Sam (15 teams in the proposal, which causes a gap in that division) - Roscommon moved from Ring down to Rackard (lost relegation play-off to Mayo) - Armagh and Derry moved from Rackard up to Ring (two teams go up because of the gap above) - No teams moved from Rackard to Meagher (because Fingal withdrew from Ring, leaving it down to 7 teams) - Leitrim/Warwickshire (one of the top 2) and Sligo (3rd) (??!!) moved from Meagher to Rackard) Hope that clarifies things. So they got a little lazy in the end and must have figured out "Well if one of Leitrim or Warwickshire is going up, and we need to promote two things, the next best team must go up", or something. They really need to sit down and take as long as it needs to plot these things out, using pencil and several sheets of cross-lined A3 paper if necessary. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 07/06/2017 20:09:40 1996646 Link 0 |
While I'm here, look at this: Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 07/06/2017 20:10:35 1996647 Link 0 |
Very true, a draw can't be used to avoid repeat pairings, it'll just leave a repeat pairing up to chance. Another unfortunate example of the hurried slapdash way these proposals were put together. As legendzxix noted above, this is just a HDC proposal that was rejected a few years ago, with some tweaks added to make it look like a new idea. Except the "tweaks" don't make any sense, because they were just arbitrary, and not thought through. Genuinely, I want to be more positive about these changes. But the whole thing is just so cynical, I'm finding it hard to look on them generously. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 07/06/2017 22:56:47 1996716 Link 0 |
Supporters of the top 9 should be pleased with the guarantee of two home championship games to look forward to. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 08/06/2017 09:02:24 1996767 Link 0 |
That would be too complicated. for them. Jeez you should know by now its not the Gaelic Algebra Association.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 08/06/2017 10:12:33 1996796 Link 0 |
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Wexford's win over Kilkenny is another reason why the new structure should not be allowed. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/06/2017 01:10:08 1997761 Link 0 |
Clare, Limerick and Wexford etc. will also benefit from 2 guaranteed home games and more championship minutes. No harm trialling it for 3 years. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 11/06/2017 10:12:37 1997805 Link 0 |
That's probably going to happen in any system with an increased number of games. The strongest teams will be more likely to succeed. I think there's a good system to keep the provincials knockout while still having a group stage replacing the qualifiers. 3 groups of 4, top 2 in each group into knockout round. Those 6 are joined by the Provincial champions. If the Provincial champions are qualified from the group they get a bye to the semifinals otherwise they play in the quarterfinals. Bottom from each group into relegation playoffs. 8,8,7 in the tiers below. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 11/06/2017 10:26:42 1997812 Link 0 |
First of all, Clare can't play home games because Cusack Park isn't big enough for the Munster Championship, although the plans would probably reduce crowds to the sort of level where most of the games could be played there with capacity to spare, given that it would just become a glorified Munster Hurling League. Second, maybe they don't want change and are perfectly happy with the Munster Championship the way it is, there hasn't been anything wrong with it for the last 130 years, so why change it now. Perhaps if you ended your obsession with groups, which belong in the league, not anywhere near the serious end of the championship, you might be able to see that there are other options available, that don't involve making any changes to the parts of the championship that don't need changing. There is not one justifiable reason for changing the Munster Championship, especially not by introducing a group stage. expe (UK) - Posts: 31 - 11/06/2017 13:34:15 1997870 Link 0 |
KK would be lucky to get third placing in Leinster with the new format.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 11/06/2017 14:06:26 1997879 Link 0 |
For 2018, I would like to have the Muns 5 and Lein 5 in mixed groups with the Provs staying as KO baked in. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 11/06/2017 17:17:25 1997949 Link 0 |
Ah now come on. They'd win both home games and that would probably be enough. I like the knockout element to the current Leinster and Munster championships. You don't see the GAA doing away with br Leinster football championship which is dead. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/06/2017 18:58:45 1998007 Link 0 |
Seriously ??? So we are putting teams that are in the bottom 6 in the competition on par with a group containing Tipp, Limerick, Cork, Clare, Waterford.......to b fair there is no equivalence there, I'm all for development but that is what league structures should be for ( and that's what should be done) not the championship
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 11/06/2017 19:11:32 1998018 Link 1 |