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Replying To Damothedub: "There were elements to the game that you don't like to see , I'm not talking about the dragging down as Id expect every single county player to do it rightly or wrongly , the clapping at a card is not in the spirit of the game something which I never see at club level maybe other posters will tell me its different elsewhere , the oh Jesus Im dead when you take a slap and roll is bordering on soccer behaviour .
All of that said these are instances that are happening in the majority of games watched no matter who is playing , there are no angels playing but some teams have more devils than others , posters slate RTE which is funny when the lack of impartiality and county bias and regional bias is choking on this site" The bias on here is understandable as most posters, myself included, can't see beyond their own county. The problem I have is with the panellists on Rte adopting the same approach. Whelan couldn't wait to draw attention to Lee Keegan in last years drawn game, even showing some "previously unseen footage" to emphasise his point. On Sunday night when attention was drawn to Phillys little infractions the same Whelan was quick to change the subject and instead pointed out an infringement on Rock. Now I have no problem with panellists highlighting rough play as long as they are consistent. If they feel that they can't acknowledge their own counties failings then they shouldn't be there in the first place. Kevin McStay went on a rant after the Kerry, Mayo replay in Limerick but, as his own county was involved, the impact was dissolved as you wondered if he would have been as vociferous were Mayo not involved. I always have the feeling that some of the panellists have their own agenda. In the 2012 semi final, against Dublin, when Mayo fouled continuously in order to hold on to their lead, Brolly was outraged and wrote a full article on the subject in one of the Sunday papers. In the final of the following year when Dublin did the same, to good effect, against Mayo it merited one throwaway line from said Brolly. It has got to the stage where the only lads I really listen to are O Rourke and Dolan who usually are reasonably impartial.
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Replying To KYTotalFootball: "Funny how there was no outrage or even mention of what Cormack Costello did in last year's game, you can say biased narrative again" Is that the one where Costello had o'beaglaoih in a chocke hold ? Trying to stop him making a run to join up with the play. Very cynical and dangerous, did he get any ban for that from the cccc ?
As for the night in Tralee both teams were as cynical as each other I could name incidents that the dubs players started but they wouldn't be posted.
On the game Sunday why are Dublin players allowed to tackle opposing players around the head when the ball is tucked into their chests?
Also why are they allowed to tackle with a closed fist and take 7/8 steps without a hop or solo? When D Connolly got pulled down he jumped up to the ref looking for lyne to be black carded which wasn't very nice.
Last thing will the cccc take any action against Philly mac and James McCarthy for the punches they threw at Kerry lads?
The cccc were quick enough to ban mattie Donnelly for the Kerry game in Killarney.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/04/2017 12:19:08
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RTE coverage has been in serious decline over the last 10 years. Allowing county agendas to be pushed by ex-players (e.g. Connolly/Keegan last year) and offering unbalanced debate on topics such as the Super 8 proposal are common place.
The pundits frequently U turn on their opinions (Brolly lauding Donegal under McGuinness with their gameplan and now having issues when other teams try to adopt it like Galway and Kildare on Sunday)
Brolly seems to be using his slot on RTE to become a secure his status as an agent provocatuer on all matters (Cavanagh reaction), and RTE are happy to allow it happen at the expense of balanced debate. As long as people are watching sure?
Our games are too important to us to allow agendas and sensationalism to prevail. The players and management put in too much of their heart and soul and deserve better. The public deserves better as paying TV license holders.
We are proud of our amateur status. It looks like that status sits more accurately when describing the coverage from out national broadcaster.
unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 11/04/2017 12:33:43
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "The bias on here is understandable as most posters, myself included, can't see beyond their own county. The problem I have is with the panellists on Rte adopting the same approach. Whelan couldn't wait to draw attention to Lee Keegan in last years drawn game, even showing some "previously unseen footage" to emphasise his point. On Sunday night when attention was drawn to Phillys little infractions the same Whelan was quick to change the subject and instead pointed out an infringement on Rock. Now I have no problem with panellists highlighting rough play as long as they are consistent. If they feel that they can't acknowledge their own counties failings then they shouldn't be there in the first place. Kevin McStay went on a rant after the Kerry, Mayo replay in Limerick but, as his own county was involved, the impact was dissolved as you wondered if he would have been as vociferous were Mayo not involved. I always have the feeling that some of the panellists have their own agenda. In the 2012 semi final, against Dublin, when Mayo fouled continuously in order to hold on to their lead, Brolly was outraged and wrote a full article on the subject in one of the Sunday papers. In the final of the following year when Dublin did the same, to good effect, against Mayo it merited one throwaway line from said Brolly. It has got to the stage where the only lads I really listen to are O Rourke and Dolan who usually are reasonably impartial." I always view the opinion pieces of former kerry players as a means of advancing the cause of the Kerry senior football team.
While others are also guilty I believe its particularly bad from former Kerry players still wearing the jersey.
Lee Keegan was hung out to dry last Summer by ex-Dublin players also. They are starting to get into it now to as much to build their own profiles.
The least RTE can do is not have any pundit commenting on his own county- easy enough to organise given the amount of them they employ.
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Sledging is not part of the game and shouldn't just be shunned upon when it's talking about family members it shouldn't be confined full stop there's no place for it or need.
on Morley can't comment as didn't see him I was too busy watching who Gavin was readying to come in as the replacement" It is part of the game and always has been. Did you not know that?
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 11/04/2017 13:31:17
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Replying To Joxer: "1 point up in the 4th minute of injury time and you expect Kerry to have their men planted in the opposition's half? Me thinks you keep analysing posts Seanie to look for the slightest hint of a different behavioural barometer used to assess teams outside of Ulster so that you can then go on a rant. My team were on the receiving end of the challenge and you're doing more ranting that the Dubs. Now ask me to rant about Kerry's tactics in Tralee and I will get me soap box out." Surely you had your soap box out Joxer lol.Like I said Joxer no big deal to me in all honesty. I've been on this forum a long time man and I can tell you that the bs has been flowing good on here for years. I've tried my best to be impartial as best I can,by calling out Tyrone players when needed etc,but the bias against some counties is fairly obvious by now ,on here and in the national media etc.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 11/04/2017 13:39:32
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Maybe it's just me but I think a lot of you put far too much stock in what pundits say and what they analyse. In the greater scheme of it, it shouldn't have any effect on how a team performs. Now I know you can counter that by saying that what people in the media say or push agenda's etc can have an effect on referee's. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.
The truth is there's no way for that to be measured accurately. This has been going on a lot longer than when Pat uttered the famous 'puke football' line or any of the ex Kerry, Dublin, Meath players who write for papers started going off on rants saying that this fella gets away with murder or that fella is the best footballer he's ever seen.
I do agree that pundits can pick and chose what attributes of a game to highlight but that's always going to happen. Do people really want to have a set number of categories of items for pundits to discuss and delve into the minute forensic detail for every foul/referee call made in a game of football?
It's a sad state of affairs that there's been more posts about black cards (or lack there of), inconsistent referee calls, inconsistent pundit analysis and with that the usual retorts and the digging up of previous inconsistencies of all of the above and we get the same arguments over again and again. We just had one of the best league finals in recent memory (that I can remember), there was so much more to talk about, Kerry's intensity and tactics, their new kids that made a big impression on Sunday as well as where this loss leaves Dublin going into the championship even though they did show an unbelievable fight back when they rattled off 1-6 in the last 15 minutes.
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I don't agree that you can't compare Maher's challenge and Cavanagh's challenge. Cavanagh and Maher both did the challenge for the sane reason, to win. Doesn't matter that in Cavanagh's case McManus might have scored a goal, that doesn't make it worse. It's the context that is the crucial bit. How much time is left in the game and what the score is. If Maher didn't rugby tackle the Dublin player, the Dublin player had a lot of space right in front of him to run into and likely a much easier shot for a point which would have drawn the match. Fitzmaurice would have ate him afterwards if he didn't make that tackle. So I can understand the frustration of Tyrone supporters that no one highlighted this. And I'm not having a go at Kerry either, Dublin would have done the exact same thing if the roles were reversed.
HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 11/04/2017 14:33:33
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Replying To keithlemon: "Maybe it's just me but I think a lot of you put far too much stock in what pundits say and what they analyse. In the greater scheme of it, it shouldn't have any effect on how a team performs. Now I know you can counter that by saying that what people in the media say or push agenda's etc can have an effect on referee's. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.
The truth is there's no way for that to be measured accurately. This has been going on a lot longer than when Pat uttered the famous 'puke football' line or any of the ex Kerry, Dublin, Meath players who write for papers started going off on rants saying that this fella gets away with murder or that fella is the best footballer he's ever seen.
I do agree that pundits can pick and chose what attributes of a game to highlight but that's always going to happen. Do people really want to have a set number of categories of items for pundits to discuss and delve into the minute forensic detail for every foul/referee call made in a game of football?
It's a sad state of affairs that there's been more posts about black cards (or lack there of), inconsistent referee calls, inconsistent pundit analysis and with that the usual retorts and the digging up of previous inconsistencies of all of the above and we get the same arguments over again and again. We just had one of the best league finals in recent memory (that I can remember), there was so much more to talk about, Kerry's intensity and tactics, their new kids that made a big impression on Sunday as well as where this loss leaves Dublin going into the championship even though they did show an unbelievable fight back when they rattled off 1-6 in the last 15 minutes." It was a good game of football all right and it got due coverage on the Kerry, Dublin League Final thread. This thread was set up to discuss the Sunday Game panellists analysis of said game. Of course you don't expect the panellists to pore over every single incident in the game but I don't think that it's too much to expect the more controversial incidents to be dealt with and to give their opinions on same. These are the so called experts who are there to use their in depth knowledge to clear up any grey areas and explain the finer points of the game to the ordinary punter. Allowing analysts to criticise every other county bar their own is not acceptable in my opinion. The attitude of shrugging your shoulders and explaining away ineptitude with a sure s*** happens approach will hardly improve matters.
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Replying To seanie_boy: "Surely you had your soap box out Joxer lol.Like I said Joxer no big deal to me in all honesty. I've been on this forum a long time man and I can tell you that the bs has been flowing good on here for years. I've tried my best to be impartial as best I can,by calling out Tyrone players when needed etc,but the bias against some counties is fairly obvious by now ,on here and in the national media etc." Ha, fair enough Seanie. I love an oul soap box. I'll be looking out for your 'oh woe is us Ulster teams' as the year goes on. :). No doubt you'll be looking out for the Dubs' posts proclaiming that our team are all angels. All part of the banter.
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Replying To seanie_boy: "It is part of the game and always has been. Did you not know that?" It's actually a black card offence to verbally abuse somebody so no it's not part of the game and is usually a sign of weakness in a player that they feel they aren't as skilled as the player they are targetting
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/04/2017 15:34:37
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Replying To seanie_boy: "Another incident from this game that nobody's mentioned is Tadhg Morleys hand clapping at Connollys black card. Personally not a big issue for me but I've heard people commenting on here over the years about such behaviour being unsporting etc. Not a peep about this on here from what I see. If it has been commented on by somebody then I stand corrected. Just to be clear I could care less,in the heat of the battle such trivial goading/sledging etc is part of the game. Unless it's vile abuse about family's etc it's not a big deal. We have off course discussed this before on this forum so I'm not asking to rehash the whole sledging debate. Just I never seen somebody so gleefully applauding another's dismissal. Was a bit comical actually. Point being there are some who have castigated other players for similar infractions but will be giving Morley a by on this one." I saw this picture up on Facebook posted by a lad I know from Dublin and he shared it from a Dublin fan's site's official facebook page. Now this lad is a great lad to tag you in a post going on about Kerry losing a match or Dublin winning, but he's been fair quiet the last two days.
I went on this Dublin fan page anyway for the craic and my God, there is a serious paranoia complex or maybe something worse. Posts left, right and centre about the media worms coming out from under their rocks to slate Dublin, Connolly being a martyr etc etc. If this fella is like that after a League match, what was he like before Dublin were winning titles?? I won't name the site but I assume some of the Dublin posters know of it. It made for interesting reading being a Kerryman!
Now back to Morley, a young fella in the heat of the moment smiles and appears to clap his hands seeing Connolly march. I mean to me that's about as provocative as the hurling lads jumping up and punching the air any time they get awarded a free. If that's all the indignation people are getting from this game than it tells its own story.
I was chatting to plenty of Dubs and Kerry fans after the game over pints. Everyone felt the black cards were justified, most were happy enough with the referee and no one in any way considered it a dirty or cynical game. So whatever about those watching on the couch, I'll opt for the judgement of people that were actually there.
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Heaven help us if a Kerry player went around striking numerous players with a closed fist with violent intent and escaped censure....
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Replying To TheHermit: "I saw this picture up on Facebook posted by a lad I know from Dublin and he shared it from a Dublin fan's site's official facebook page. Now this lad is a great lad to tag you in a post going on about Kerry losing a match or Dublin winning, but he's been fair quiet the last two days.
I went on this Dublin fan page anyway for the craic and my God, there is a serious paranoia complex or maybe something worse. Posts left, right and centre about the media worms coming out from under their rocks to slate Dublin, Connolly being a martyr etc etc. If this fella is like that after a League match, what was he like before Dublin were winning titles?? I won't name the site but I assume some of the Dublin posters know of it. It made for interesting reading being a Kerryman!
Now back to Morley, a young fella in the heat of the moment smiles and appears to clap his hands seeing Connolly march. I mean to me that's about as provocative as the hurling lads jumping up and punching the air any time they get awarded a free. If that's all the indignation people are getting from this game than it tells its own story.
I was chatting to plenty of Dubs and Kerry fans after the game over pints. Everyone felt the black cards were justified, most were happy enough with the referee and no one in any way considered it a dirty or cynical game. So whatever about those watching on the couch, I'll opt for the judgement of people that were actually there." Still struggling with the self-awareness I see Hermit.
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Replying To TheHermit: "I saw this picture up on Facebook posted by a lad I know from Dublin and he shared it from a Dublin fan's site's official facebook page. Now this lad is a great lad to tag you in a post going on about Kerry losing a match or Dublin winning, but he's been fair quiet the last two days.
I went on this Dublin fan page anyway for the craic and my God, there is a serious paranoia complex or maybe something worse. Posts left, right and centre about the media worms coming out from under their rocks to slate Dublin, Connolly being a martyr etc etc. If this fella is like that after a League match, what was he like before Dublin were winning titles?? I won't name the site but I assume some of the Dublin posters know of it. It made for interesting reading being a Kerryman!
Now back to Morley, a young fella in the heat of the moment smiles and appears to clap his hands seeing Connolly march. I mean to me that's about as provocative as the hurling lads jumping up and punching the air any time they get awarded a free. If that's all the indignation people are getting from this game than it tells its own story.
I was chatting to plenty of Dubs and Kerry fans after the game over pints. Everyone felt the black cards were justified, most were happy enough with the referee and no one in any way considered it a dirty or cynical game. So whatever about those watching on the couch, I'll opt for the judgement of people that were actually there." Would it be similar to the paranoia over on the Kerry GAA forum re refs?
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Not a fan of either team and have to say I enjoyed the game immensely.
The best team won on the day no doubt about it.
I agree Maher's foul at the end was cynical but I'ld say 99% of lads in his position would have done the exact sam.
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Replying To Breffni39: "Still struggling with the self-awareness I see Hermit." I was wondering when you'd show up, you've been quiet enough since the match. Here's hoping Kerry have a long summer and your kept quiet a little longer.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 11/04/2017 17:15:47
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Replying To TheHermit: "I was wondering when you'd show up, you've been quiet enough since the match. Here's hoping Kerry have a long summer and your kept quiet a little longer." I'm pretty indifferent to Kerry as it happens. I object to a few Kerry posters on here though. I know you expect special treatment but you won't get it from me I'm afraid.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Is that the one where Costello had o'beaglaoih in a chocke hold ? Trying to stop him making a run to join up with the play. Very cynical and dangerous, did he get any ban for that from the cccc ?
As for the night in Tralee both teams were as cynical as each other I could name incidents that the dubs players started but they wouldn't be posted.
On the game Sunday why are Dublin players allowed to tackle opposing players around the head when the ball is tucked into their chests?
Also why are they allowed to tackle with a closed fist and take 7/8 steps without a hop or solo? When D Connolly got pulled down he jumped up to the ref looking for lyne to be black carded which wasn't very nice.
Last thing will the cccc take any action against Philly mac and James McCarthy for the punches they threw at Kerry lads?
The cccc were quick enough to ban mattie Donnelly for the Kerry game in Killarney." I was just talking about this today. Donnelly got suspended, McCarthy definitely should. Walsh should as well, retaliated which he should of done. McMahon I'm not so sure, Kerry player was practically on the ground and he was attempting to go for the ball, with a closed fist so a yellow was suffice.
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Replying To hill16no1man: "It's actually a black card offence to verbally abuse somebody so no it's not part of the game and is usually a sign of weakness in a player that they feel they aren't as skilled as the player they are targetting" Surely you're not really as naive as that post makes you out to be.We all know this stuff goes on weather it's against the rules,the spirit of the game etc. You'd want to have a word with Philly,Diarmuid and a few others cos I think nobody told them about this.
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