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Didn't think kerry were cynical at all. Were the better footballing team patnback (Cork) - Posts: 28 - 10/04/2017 20:08:54 1978123 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "I've said it before that the black card will do nothing to stop these deliberate drag downs in the dying seconds of games. Being given the line is a punishment worth taking if your team makes it through. The only way to prevent it is give an automatic penalty for a blatant drag down. I see no difference between Cavanagh and Maher's incidents. They are both willing to leave the field in an attempt to prevent a game changing score regardless of where it happened on the pitch. Would I do it? too right I would, would i do it if the punishment was a penalty? no I wouldn't." Agree totally as the black card actually hindered dublin more yesterday as a result fitzimons was stopped from taking the free quickly which he was looking to find an inside forward on the 21line meter line but as a result of the black card being given it ment he couldn't take it and the time elapsed to the stage where the free had to go directly over so it actually favours the team getting the black card in this instance hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/04/2017 20:23:01 1978128 Link
Seems to be a lot of the "snowflake generation" on here.....ya do what ya have to do to win...end of. Meath did it under boylan, Tyrone did it, kerry and Dublin always have too. I long for the day were doing it again to be honest and if it happens I couldn't care less what brolly, rte or the Pope says about it southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 891 - 10/04/2017 20:36:09 1978138 Link
Replying To Mayonman: "It was blatantly deliberate pull down. This is one of the weaknesses of the black card (until a sin bin is introduced I am in favour of BC as it is better than nothing). No advantage to Dublin with Kerry player receiving a BC. Maybe like basketball after a certain number of fouls teams get a free on the 45 (or 21) so they have a chance to score. I'd imagine it would be tricky to implement given the general uselessness of the 7 officials on any given day!" Singing wouldn't have made a difference to mahers pull down it was the last play of the game b4 rock kicked the resulting free rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 619 - 10/04/2017 20:49:56 1978146 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "You'd be howling from the roof tops if it was a Tyrone player done it. Dublin/Kerry .......frenemies forever. Lol" Chip on your shoulder Seanie? If it was Tyrone this, Donegal that. It's nonsense. One incident 48m out with 14 defenders in the way to goal. Another incident 10m out with the goalkeeper to beat. It's apples and oranges. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 10/04/2017 21:04:05 1978151 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Chip on your shoulder Seanie? If it was Tyrone this, Donegal that. It's nonsense. One incident 48m out with 14 defenders in the way to goal. Another incident 10m out with the goalkeeper to beat. It's apples and oranges." All I got from that Joxer is that Kerry and Dublin can sometimes do wrong on the field,but it's never as wrong as when it's done by other teams. Either the offence is wrong or not. It can't be more wrong according to the players county. Which is essentially what some of you lads are unashamedly saying. I could care less to be honest at this point. There's many of us on here have been calling this stuff out for years. I stated in another post that I don't thing Maher should be vilified the way Sean Cav was so I've no axe to grind on this incident. I'd no horse in the race so to speak but the dirty cynical play by both Kerry and Dublin is there for all to see these past few years and many year before in fairness. And don't misunderstand what I'm saying,I've no problem with lads "playing on the edge",I love watching Philly do his thing,as I did Galvin and others. It's great craic!! But I've just had it with the bull directed at other teams when they do it. Oh and I did get that you were saying Kerry were playing with all their men in their own half too so at least you admit that much. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 11/04/2017 05:07:30 1978194 Link
Another incident from this game that nobody's mentioned is Tadhg Morleys hand clapping at Connollys black card. Personally not a big issue for me but I've heard people commenting on here over the years about such behaviour being unsporting etc. Not a peep about this on here from what I see. If it has been commented on by somebody then I stand corrected. Just to be clear I could care less,in the heat of the battle such trivial goading/sledging etc is part of the game. Unless it's vile abuse about family's etc it's not a big deal. We have off course discussed this before on this forum so I'm not asking to rehash the whole sledging debate. Just I never seen somebody so gleefully applauding another's dismissal. Was a bit comical actually. Point being there are some who have castigated other players for similar infractions but will be giving Morley a by on this one. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 11/04/2017 05:22:31 1978195 Link
There were elements to the game that you don't like to see , I'm not talking about the dragging down as Id expect every single county player to do it rightly or wrongly , the clapping at a card is not in the spirit of the game something which I never see at club level maybe other posters will tell me its different elsewhere , the oh Jesus Im dead when you take a slap and roll is bordering on soccer behaviour . All of that said these are instances that are happening in the majority of games watched no matter who is playing , there are no angels playing but some teams have more devils than others , posters slate RTE which is funny when the lack of impartiality and county bias and regional bias is choking on this site Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 11/04/2017 08:42:30 1978206 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Chip on your shoulder Seanie? If it was Tyrone this, Donegal that. It's nonsense. One incident 48m out with 14 defenders in the way to goal. Another incident 10m out with the goalkeeper to beat. It's apples and oranges." tell me this, what were both players objectives as they dragged their opponent to the ground? SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 11/04/2017 08:52:47 1978211 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "Another incident from this game that nobody's mentioned is Tadhg Morleys hand clapping at Connollys black card. Personally not a big issue for me but I've heard people commenting on here over the years about such behaviour being unsporting etc. Not a peep about this on here from what I see. If it has been commented on by somebody then I stand corrected. Just to be clear I could care less,in the heat of the battle such trivial goading/sledging etc is part of the game. Unless it's vile abuse about family's etc it's not a big deal. We have off course discussed this before on this forum so I'm not asking to rehash the whole sledging debate. Just I never seen somebody so gleefully applauding another's dismissal. Was a bit comical actually. Point being there are some who have castigated other players for similar infractions but will be giving Morley a by on this one." Sledging is not part of the game and shouldn't just be shunned upon when it's talking about family members it shouldn't be confined full stop there's no place for it or need. on Morley can't comment as didn't see him I was too busy watching who Gavin was readying to come in as the replacement hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/04/2017 08:57:08 1978212 Link
why does brolly go on about tyrone when they are not in a conversation? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/04/2017 08:57:34 1978214 Link
This stuff about Kerry been cynical is nonsense. Their kick passing and high fielding is a joy to watch. None of this blanket defence nonense and or tatic fouling patnback (Cork) - Posts: 28 - 11/04/2017 09:00:56 1978216 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "All I got from that Joxer is that Kerry and Dublin can sometimes do wrong on the field,but it's never as wrong as when it's done by other teams. Either the offence is wrong or not. It can't be more wrong according to the players county. Which is essentially what some of you lads are unashamedly saying. I could care less to be honest at this point. There's many of us on here have been calling this stuff out for years. I stated in another post that I don't thing Maher should be vilified the way Sean Cav was so I've no axe to grind on this incident. I'd no horse in the race so to speak but the dirty cynical play by both Kerry and Dublin is there for all to see these past few years and many year before in fairness. And don't misunderstand what I'm saying,I've no problem with lads "playing on the edge",I love watching Philly do his thing,as I did Galvin and others. It's great craic!! But I've just had it with the bull directed at other teams when they do it. Oh and I did get that you were saying Kerry were playing with all their men in their own half too so at least you admit that much." 1 point up in the 4th minute of injury time and you expect Kerry to have their men planted in the opposition's half? Me thinks you keep analysing posts Seanie to look for the slightest hint of a different behavioural barometer used to assess teams outside of Ulster so that you can then go on a rant. My team were on the receiving end of the challenge and you're doing more ranting that the Dubs. Now ask me to rant about Kerry's tactics in Tralee and I will get me soap box out. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 11/04/2017 09:36:42 1978229 Link
Replying To philip3: "I thought Brolly was overly harsh on Galway and their performance. Give a team a break and give credit when its due. We are always putting down the GAA and the main people are lads who make money out of it. Delighted with Galway's performance." I agree, thought that was as good a game as the Kerry v Dublin game. Galway are really progressing well and its just awful that all Brolly could talk about was the style of football. What about all the marvelous points they scored. The Sunday Game analysis was a poor in my opinion this past week, never showed any of the major incidents. It was a very enjoyable game but it was very cynical. Imagine that was Donegal v Tyrone, they would be going through all the off-the-ball incidents with a fine toothed comb lol. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 11/04/2017 09:39:52 1978231 Link
It doesn't surprise me greatly that such an incident happened, tbh. The same player pulled a similar stunt in the dying moments of the 2014 All-Ireland semi-final replay, grabbing Aidan O' Shea in a headlock as he was running towards goal. Mayo were silly enough to get drawn in to a prolonged scuffle, which ate up a couple of minutes when they should have been looking for the equalising scores. For all their footballing brilliance, Kerry are as cynical as any of the other top teams when it suits them, not just now but also in their storied past. It's probably why the Ulster counties find it very difficult to accept the holier than thou attitude from pundits in the Kingdom. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/04/2017 10:06:04 1978238 Link
Funny how there was no outrage or even mention of what Cormack Costello did in last year's game, you can say biased narrative again KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 11/04/2017 10:10:01 1978240 Link
The reality is no team will ever be successful without a degree of hard edge, physicality and cynicism. So much will come down to the refs performance its becoming an impossible job and the linesman and umpires really need to step it up IMO. The game on Sunday was a perfect example on a different day and different decisions you have a different result. That doesn't mean the best team would have won as Kerry were clearly that, but consistency and support is needed amongst referees because EVERY county is skilled in the darker arts now and are purposely taking things to the very edge, you wont be successful without a measure of it your team, its that simple really. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/04/2017 10:21:58 1978249 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "I agree, thought that was as good a game as the Kerry v Dublin game. Galway are really progressing well and its just awful that all Brolly could talk about was the style of football. What about all the marvelous points they scored. The Sunday Game analysis was a poor in my opinion this past week, never showed any of the major incidents. It was a very enjoyable game but it was very cynical. Imagine that was Donegal v Tyrone, they would be going through all the off-the-ball incidents with a fine toothed comb lol." I agree, Brolly is very negative at times for a man with a hang-up about negative football. The Division Two final wasn't pretty by all accounts but finals are for winning, and won't always produce champagne football. Ask any Mayo fan if they'd prefer to win a dogfight or lose in a classic, there'll only be one answer. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/04/2017 10:47:01 1978269 Link
Simple fact of the matter is that kerry are as cynical if not the most cynical team out there but for some reason they are put on a pedestal by the majority of pundits and media. This Dublin team has become Kerry's nemesis as Tyrone had in the last decade. For all their so called football tradition they have the physical edge that is needed to be successful and the last two meetings with Dublin has shown that. Eamon Fitzmaurice's reputation will be judged on results against Dublin and even allowing for last sunday it is still pretty poor and really if they don't beat the Dubs in the championship his managerial career with Kerry will come to an end. Donncha Walsh has taken over from Paul Galvin with persistent fouling being his number one role. 5 times in the first 20 minutes last sunday he made high tackles and nothing was done by the officials about it and yet we read now that james mccarthy is in bother over an alleged hit on him. Yet again the aggressor will walk free. And before I get the predictable responses about Dublin being no angels we are all well aware of that and in case we weren't didn't fitzmaurice remind us all of the various incidents since 2011 perpetrated by Dublin against Kerry. Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 11/04/2017 10:57:55 1978275 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "The reality is no team will ever be successful without a degree of hard edge, physicality and cynicism. So much will come down to the refs performance its becoming an impossible job and the linesman and umpires really need to step it up IMO. The game on Sunday was a perfect example on a different day and different decisions you have a different result. That doesn't mean the best team would have won as Kerry were clearly that, but consistency and support is needed amongst referees because EVERY county is skilled in the darker arts now and are purposely taking things to the very edge, you wont be successful without a measure of it your team, its that simple really." yes,you will nothing by been nice. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/04/2017 11:19:27 1978285 Link