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Replying To Soma: "I agree with some of what you say whammo but you can't complain about reasonable rational debate and then back up your points with results in Nigerian soccer which is completely corrupt - it has no relevance at all as to why recent league results show little difference between playing at home or away.
Most serious teams who have to travel for more than 3 hours to a game stay in a hotel overnight. They get a proper evening meal, some pool time, a full nights sleep, a proper breakfast in the morning and a team meeting before heading to the ground. Surely that is an advantage over the home teams preparation and might explain things a little." I was being facetious with my comment on the Nigerian football story. It's just an interesting article broadly on topic.
I didn't intend for it to be used to add weight to my other point regarding referees being shown to observe bias in favour of the home team.
There probably is a lot of psychology to the home field advantage that can be seen in most sports. Based on the research though it isn't the only explanation as hill16 believes.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/04/2017 13:16:22
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And now more confusion, some top intercouty manager s has said its a disadvantage playing at home because your under pressure to perform in front off own supporters
Teddy5 (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 12/04/2017 13:45:48
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And now more confusion, some top intercouty manager s has said its a disadvantage playing at home because your under pressure to perform in front off own supporters
Teddy5 (Wexford) - Posts:85 - 12/04/2017
Maybe if they were able to provide comprehensive evidence to back up this claim then it mightn't be so confusing.
Then again considering the amount of academic articles references in this thread so far that don't seem to hold much weight with a few people you'd wonder why an intercounty manager would need to provide such evidence...
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 12/04/2017 16:18:55
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Replying To Teddy5: "How will a player play any better at home ? Does he run faster, jump higher, kick more accurately, pass better, more disciplined ? No he doesn't" Maybe you didn't peform well yourself at home, but most players prefer playing at home They are use to the surroundings. Changing out in the regular changing rooms, best goals to kick into, lots of small things. Playing in front of their home fans gives confidence , not pressure. ..
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 12/04/2017 16:30:45
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Maybe you didn't peform well yourself at home, but most players prefer playing at home They are use to the surroundings. Changing out in the regular changing rooms, best goals to kick into, lots of small things. Playing in front of their home fans gives confidence , not pressure. .." That all depends on your mindset.
if you decide playing away your not expected to win then you can say there's no pressure people expect us to loose so we can really play without fear again all mindset
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 17:43:34
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Replying To Breffni39: " Replying To hill16no1man: "[quote=MesAmis: "hill16no1man
Where would you rather your club play a crunch match against Naomh Fionnbarra? At home or away?
If you say it makes no difference playing them in the Bogies or at home you are literally mad!" Hahahahahaha Going to the boogies is a test of one's manhood hahahaha it would be a health and safety decision to play that game at home haha"
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 17:45:02
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Replying To The_Fridge: "If you are sitting on a bus for 7 hours of a game it is an advantage to play at home.
Another small thing is the home team offen getting the better changing rooms. I've been in changing rooms were you can't swing a cat never mind warm up or stretch or get physio." Most teams spend the night in the vicinity before playing a match with long treks so therefore you get first class treatment a dinner cooked for you a lovely bed to sleep in , match day have look to loosen up then off for breakfast cooked for u and head down time to relax before going to the pitch to play, that could be an advantage over someone staying at home with kids that might wake up in middle of night causing a bad night a rest for player, having stress of family life or holiday like night in big hotel which sounds more comfortable haha
either way both arrive to pitch to through warm up and switch on before ball is thrown in
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 17:51:03
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "I think it goes farther than simply home or away. I think teams simply like & are comfortable playing in some grounds than others.
As a case in point the Donegal football team have a great record in Ballybofey where they haven't lost a game in years while Letterkenny is a graveyard & they have turned in some truly brutal performances there in recent times to the extent that many Donegal supporters simply won't go to games there. At the same time the Donegal hurling team have a good record in Letterkenny & are quite happy there.
It's a funny thing mental attitude & hard to pin down but it is a real factor & most players would rather play at home than away." exactly it is a mental attitude not any physical advantage.
it's like superstitions players have they believe they help but physically they make no difference whatsoever
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 17:53:55
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Replying To hill16no1man: "That all depends on your mindset.
if you decide playing away your not expected to win then you can say there's no pressure people expect us to loose so we can really play without fear again all mindset" Of course you can still you win away and think you cwn It's morr comfort to play at home. You should know that following Dublin...
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 12/04/2017 17:55:44
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I was being facetious with my comment on the Nigerian football story. It's just an interesting article broadly on topic.
I didn't intend for it to be used to add weight to my other point regarding referees being shown to observe bias in favour of the home team.
There probably is a lot of psychology to the home field advantage that can be seen in most sports. Based on the research though it isn't the only explanation as hill16 believes.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1394 - 12/04/2017
Corrupt Nigeria aside stats show a wide range in the impact of home advantage in different leagues / countries. In the UK and Scandinavia home advantage isn't as important in football as it is on the continent (louder or better organised support perhaps?), and nowhere in Europe comes close to the Balkans.
Evidence has shown that having to defend the home ground evokes territoriality, that is, a protective response to an invasion of one's perceived territory (Neave & Wolfson, 2003; Pollard, 2006b). Pollard and Pollard (2005a, 2006b) have shown that the clear variations in soccer home advantage can be largely explained by geographical location (Figure 5). The Balkan nations of southeastern Europe, especially Albania and Bosnia, have shown a larger home advantage than elsewhere (e.g., Baltic republics, Scandinavia, and the British Isles). It is likely that physical location of this territory, between mountains, and its historic ethnic and religious conflicts are responsible for an increased sense of territoriality. Similar findings have been shown in other geographical locations such Asia and Latin America.
Home Advantage and Sports Performance: Evidence, Causes and Psychological Implications
If you've ever read Soccernomics by Simon Kuper then you'll probably see that the above could relate to the rise of clubs from smaller industrial cities in comparison to capital city clubs. Real Madrid and Ajax are arguably the only two clubs from European capitals that would be considered among Europe's most successful clubs along with the likes of Bayern, the Milans, Juventus, Liverpool, Man Utd and Barcelona - all from what would have been smaller, financially weaker cities than their capitals.
I don't have all the stats to hand but in the 4 major American sports there's a bit of disparity when it comes to how important home advantage is between the regular season and the playoffs. It's something like a 70% winning record for home teams in the NBA playoffs. In the NFL where you'd expect there to be a more tangible advantage, it isn't as high - closer to 60% - you have to take into account teams playing on astro turf or grass and playing in indoor / dome stadiums as opposed to outdoors as well which could be considered advantages in themselves too I suppose.
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Replying To if_in_doubt: " I was being facetious with my comment on the Nigerian football story. It's just an interesting article broadly on topic.
I didn't intend for it to be used to add weight to my other point regarding referees being shown to observe bias in favour of the home team.
There probably is a lot of psychology to the home field advantage that can be seen in most sports. Based on the research though it isn't the only explanation as hill16 believes.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1394 - 12/04/2017Corrupt Nigeria aside stats show a wide range in the impact of home advantage in different leagues / countries. In the UK and Scandinavia home advantage isn't as important in football as it is on the continent (louder or better organised support perhaps?), and nowhere in Europe comes close to the Balkans. Evidence has shown that having to defend the home ground evokes territoriality, that is, a protective response to an invasion of one's perceived territory (Neave & Wolfson, 2003; Pollard, 2006b). Pollard and Pollard (2005a, 2006b) have shown that the clear variations in soccer home advantage can be largely explained by geographical location (Figure 5). The Balkan nations of southeastern Europe, especially Albania and Bosnia, have shown a larger home advantage than elsewhere (e.g., Baltic republics, Scandinavia, and the British Isles). It is likely that physical location of this territory, between mountains, and its historic ethnic and religious conflicts are responsible for an increased sense of territoriality. Similar findings have been shown in other geographical locations such Asia and Latin America. Home Advantage and Sports Performance: Evidence, Causes and Psychological ImplicationsIf you've ever read Soccernomics by Simon Kuper then you'll probably see that the above could relate to the rise of clubs from smaller industrial cities in comparison to capital city clubs. Real Madrid and Ajax are arguably the only two clubs from European capitals that would be considered among Europe's most successful clubs along with the likes of Bayern, the Milans, Juventus, Liverpool, Man Utd and Barcelona - all from what would have been smaller, financially weaker cities than their capitals. I don't have all the stats to hand but in the 4 major American sports there's a bit of disparity when it comes to how important home advantage is between the regular season and the playoffs. It's something like a 70% winning record for home teams in the NBA playoffs. In the NFL where you'd expect there to be a more tangible advantage, it isn't as high - closer to 60% - you have to take into account teams playing on astro turf or grass and playing in indoor / dome stadiums as opposed to outdoors as well which could be considered advantages in themselves too I suppose."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2015/06/home-advantage-basketball
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/04/2017 18:35:35
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Of course you can still you win away and think you cwn It's morr comfort to play at home. You should know that following Dublin..." Didn't catch that mate
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 21:16:06
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Lads anybody that knows anything about soccer knows they have a midset that the home team takes the game to the away team. So the home team starts off attacking more and the away team defends more, so using the foul counts or card counts is always going to be more fouls given against the away team by the nature of them putting in more tackles not because the ref is favouring anybody.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/04/2017 21:19:22
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Lads anybody that knows anything about soccer knows they have a midset that the home team takes the game to the away team. So the home team starts off attacking more and the away team defends more, so using the foul counts or card counts is always going to be more fouls given against the away team by the nature of them putting in more tackles not because the ref is favouring anybody." Aggression levels and the effect they might have on committing fouls is an important consideration. That's why it was also taken into account in that study, along with similar possible factors like underdog/favourite status, proximity of the crowd, timing of the card (i.e., was it the 1st or 90th minute?), and scoreline at the time of an offence. The conclusion is the same - player behaviour does not explain the results; the refs were biased toward the home team.
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