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Was Gooch as good as Canavan?

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Replying To TheHermit: "Gooch's scoring stats from some of the bigger profile matches against Ulster opposition in his career: ALF v Armagh 2002 (debut season): 0-2 ALF v Tyrone 2005: 0-5 (And that was while enduring an 'eye inspection') QF v Armagh 2006: 0-3 QF v Monaghan 2007: 0-3. I'm sure your still peed about that one ALF v Tyrone 2008: 0-6, (not bad in a Final for a man who never showed up) QF v Down 2010: 0-7 Qualifier v Tyrone 2012: 0-5" How come you left the 2012 QF out of that? greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 430 - 06/04/2017 11:27:40 1976417 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "Personally I feel Maurice Fitzgerald was better than both Gooch and Canavan. I suppose it's a personal choice really. Question for the Kerry folk - who would you rate as your best ever forward? Maurice Fitz, Gooch, Spillane, Bomber or maybe Mikey Sheehy?" Well I haven't seen the guys from the 70's play but have seen Maurice and Gooch and I'd have to say Gooch was the best player I've ever seen..when Mikey Sheehy and Bomber say that Gooch is the best they have ever seen, well that says it all really!! surfdude62 (Kerry) - Posts: 46 - 06/04/2017 13:11:19 1976473 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "How come you left the 2012 QF out of that?" He got 0-4 that day. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/04/2017 13:17:34 1976478 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "He got 0-4 that day." And I was terrified every time he got near the ball. Awesome player. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 06/04/2017 13:34:30 1976486 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Gooch's scoring stats from some of the bigger profile matches against Ulster opposition in his career: ALF v Armagh 2002 (debut season): 0-2 ALF v Tyrone 2005: 0-5 (And that was while enduring an 'eye inspection') QF v Armagh 2006: 0-3 QF v Monaghan 2007: 0-3. I'm sure your still peed about that one ALF v Tyrone 2008: 0-6, (not bad in a Final for a man who never showed up) QF v Down 2010: 0-7 Qualifier v Tyrone 2012: 0-5" Good post TheHermit, I said it before earlier in the thread, it's a lazy Joe Brolly narrative to say that the man didn't show up in big games. He also played well against Dublin in 2011 and 2013 although Kerry lost out on those day. He was tightly marked in all of these games and blatantly targeted in some. Begrudgers will look for any reason to knock him, for whatever reason I cannot fathom. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 06/04/2017 14:32:30 1976522 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Good post TheHermit, I said it before earlier in the thread, it's a lazy Joe Brolly narrative to say that the man didn't show up in big games. He also played well against Dublin in 2011 and 2013 although Kerry lost out on those day. He was tightly marked in all of these games and blatantly targeted in some. Begrudgers will look for any reason to knock him, for whatever reason I cannot fathom." There's as many people saying the saying the same about Canavan and say similar about others. I wouldn't take it personally. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12161 - 06/04/2017 14:44:06 1976530 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "There's as many people saying the saying the same about Canavan and say similar about others. I wouldn't take it personally." True, and I don't take it personally. It is a common misconception with Cooper though that he only plays well against Mayo and Cork. Nobody seems to bother to check the facts. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2113 - 06/04/2017 14:46:09 1976532 Link
Replying To surfdude62: "Well I haven't seen the guys from the 70's play but have seen Maurice and Gooch and I'd have to say Gooch was the best player I've ever seen..when Mikey Sheehy and Bomber say that Gooch is the best they have ever seen, well that says it all really!!" Yeah no bias then Kerry men saying Gooch is best. If Canavan was a Kerry man there would be no debate. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 06/04/2017 14:58:37 1976537 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "Yeah no bias then Kerry men saying Gooch is best. If Canavan was a Kerry man there would be no debate." Not according to Philip Jordan :) surfdude62 (Kerry) - Posts: 46 - 06/04/2017 15:51:07 1976562 Link
Don't have the link but Joe Brolly gives his opinion today. Brutal but honest. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9780 - 09/04/2017 20:24:04 1977610 Link
Two outstanding footballers and I don't see much point in comparing them. What I really don't understand though is every game Cooper played is being analysed to see where he might have done better but Canavan hasn't got the same treatment at all. Canavan probably cost Tyrone in 2001 when he was sent off in the All-Ireland quarter final against Derry but there is no mention of that. He scored 3 from play and 3 from frees the following year when Sligo beat them in Croke Park, a decent return but when Cooper scores the same against a stronger defensive team in an All-Ireland it is claimed he 'went missing'. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 10/04/2017 11:08:35 1977834 Link
Replying To Soma: "Two outstanding footballers and I don't see much point in comparing them. What I really don't understand though is every game Cooper played is being analysed to see where he might have done better but Canavan hasn't got the same treatment at all. Canavan probably cost Tyrone in 2001 when he was sent off in the All-Ireland quarter final against Derry but there is no mention of that. He scored 3 from play and 3 from frees the following year when Sligo beat them in Croke Park, a decent return but when Cooper scores the same against a stronger defensive team in an All-Ireland it is claimed he 'went missing'." Canavan did not cost Tyrone the game in 2001. If Gooch had of been treated the same way as Canavan was that day there would have been an national outcry. Different times Joe Brolly may be thinking back to the Derry / Tyrone battles of 1990's and early 2000's when fprwards of both teams had to earn the right to play. Nothing nowadays could ever match the intensity of Tyrone Derry on a hot sunny day in Clones 1995. In saying that Dublin Meath from those days was also brutal and just could not happen these days. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1781 - 10/04/2017 11:55:28 1977875 Link
Replying To Byanthon: "Canavan did not cost Tyrone the game in 2001. If Gooch had of been treated the same way as Canavan was that day there would have been an national outcry. Different times Joe Brolly may be thinking back to the Derry / Tyrone battles of 1990's and early 2000's when fprwards of both teams had to earn the right to play. Nothing nowadays could ever match the intensity of Tyrone Derry on a hot sunny day in Clones 1995. In saying that Dublin Meath from those days was also brutal and just could not happen these days." I'm not here to criticise Canavan but one of the greatest footballers of all time getting sent off before halftime against a very average Derry team they had already beaten in the Ulster championship was a key moment in that game. Canavan was being marked by Sean Marty that day while Ricey usually marked Cooper when Tyrone played Kerry - I wouldn't think there was a great deal of difference in the tenderness either of them corner backs showed to his opponent! Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 10/04/2017 12:20:01 1977891 Link
Was Gooch as good as Canavan? Why pose this question in the first place? It makes it sound as though these are the only two great player/forwards to play the game and nobody else should be considered! Was Fitzgerald as good as Joyce? Was O'Shea as good as Cavanagh? Was Donnellan as good as Giles? Was Dooher as good as McGeeney? etc. etc. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/04/2017 12:36:29 1977901 Link
Neither of them was as good as Maurice Fitzgerald - can we all agree on that?!! CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 160 - 10/04/2017 13:12:09 1977926 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Was Gooch as good as Canavan? Why pose this question in the first place? It makes it sound as though these are the only two great player/forwards to play the game and nobody else should be considered! Was Fitzgerald as good as Joyce? Was O'Shea as good as Cavanagh? Was Donnellan as good as Giles? Was Dooher as good as McGeeney? etc. etc." Different players different era . Impossible to compare. For all round ability IMO Jacko was the best. He could catch it in his own square.. finish it in the opposing square and had an engine I've not seen the like of. Canavan and Cooper were both star men for their respective counties and I'd say no Kerry or Tyrone man would swap either. But as a Cavan man if I had the pick of 1 forward to get me scores with all the forwards I've seen I'd go for Mickey Linden.. Sheer class. Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 10/04/2017 13:20:00 1977932 Link

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