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Let the debate end. Martin Breheny has spoken: Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 05/04/2017 08:17:07 1975856 Link 0 |
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I know that. If it's discussed in a mature manner it's a great debate. These things tend to become immature very quickly though in an almost "My Dad is better than your Dad manner". I mean when you see parochial statements saying that Graham Geraghty was better than both what do you say to that like? Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 05/04/2017 08:55:46 1975867 Link 0 |
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Ara go way out of that. If that is your genuine opinion then you have no idea about football full stop. Pointless even debating any further with you.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 05/04/2017 08:59:13 1975869 Link 2 |
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That's just how good Peter was though ;)
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 05/04/2017 09:55:06 1975890 Link 0 |
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I agree with you about it being subjective. Both were exceptional players, however I would place Canavan in front. Breheny's choice is not far off the mark even though we would all differ in the order.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 05/04/2017 10:06:58 1975899 Link 0 |
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For once im with hermit on this gooch was a true icon as was peter likes all be gald that both men graced the game so lets just gooch the praise he earned
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 05/04/2017 10:28:15 1975907 Link 2 |
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And Larry Reilly
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12121 - 05/04/2017 10:31:21 1975909 Link 0 |
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Personally I feel Maurice Fitzgerald was better than both Gooch and Canavan. I suppose it's a personal choice really. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 05/04/2017 12:34:45 1975970 Link 0 |
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Personally I feel Canavan was best - unlike Gooch and a few others Canavan was able to handle all the rough stuff where Gooch disappeared - skill wise again I think Canavan aces Gooch - however both were deadly in front of goal - Gooch great player all the same but I don't even think he was the best Kerry player. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 05/04/2017 14:47:51 1976019 Link 2 |
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If Padraig Joyce had been a Kerryman he would have had the same impact the Gooch had. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 05/04/2017 15:12:31 1976032 Link 0 |
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Canavan was better than Cooper.Cooper may have been more stylish to watch at times but Canavan was much tougher and the fella you;d want in a battle.The finger in the eye thing wouldn't have stopped Canavan he'd have just given the other fella something back in return. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 05/04/2017 19:11:15 1976135 Link 2 |
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I don't think he would. Padraig Joyce was a top player but for me not in the bracket you seem to put him in. Ya he played well in 2001 final but Meath really played into his hands by taking Darren Fay off him in that game. For me on that Galway team when he was on his game Michael Donnellan could be a better player.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 05/04/2017 19:14:55 1976137 Link 0 |
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if your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle
El_Torro (Tyrone) - Posts: 155 - 05/04/2017 22:10:49 1976241 Link 0 |
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Mike Frank or Johnny Crowley or Bernard Flynn not as good as Gooch????...I dont know..he was good, I remarked with his frees no matter where they were given from when taken from the hand he always ran almost dead centre infront of posts to kick them...thats a fact..he was gifted..the point I am making is that he was blessed with good quality around him and hence the sucess..DJ Carey was one of the best hurlers I ever seen yet at club level he was intermediate club most of the time, got to a Leinster Senior Club final on a miserable wet December day against Birr and got substituted in that game which Birr score only 2-05 and I think Young Irelands only got 1-02 so Gooch got his recognition because Kerry won a few All Irelands with a good team..would Henry Shefflin have called a Gooch like retirement announcement in the media had in been on the Kilkenny team between 1994 and 1999???....Kilkenny if the do go into decline are going to have 4 or 5 exceptional hurlers such as Liam Blanchefied and Conor Martin and maybe Colin Fennelly or Michael but they might win not even one more medal and in 5 or 6 years just drift away with new talent constantly comming on board in counties like Kilkenny and Kerry where if you dont win after a couple of years thats it your gone..Vinny Claffey and Peter Brady Offaly were gifted players, luckily won a league in 1997 and a Leinster in 1998 to showcase their talents somewhat but both were prolific forwards and yet because Offaly were in decline never got centre stage to show that..they were as good of forwards I ever seen over 15 years or so yet never got to an All Ireland let alone win one...Kieran McDonald of Mayo..was he not gifted and could do anything with a ball..its unfair even having such debate I think...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 05/04/2017 23:28:29 1976278 Link 0 |
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Great player Gooch seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1802 - 05/04/2017 23:54:44 1976285 Link 4 |
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Hoganstand never fails to deliver , a genius retires and begrudgery , pettiness , small mindedness and out right jealousy to the fore , to the lads that said they were both brilliant your on the money , to the lads who disagreed and are entitled to opinions , well you know what the say about ar3eholes everyone has one Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 06/04/2017 09:25:33 1976344 Link 3 |
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Jesus Holy Christ, you should be ashamed of yourself...
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/04/2017 10:28:27 1976384 Link 0 |
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Like all things on here instead of saying why one was better than the other it descends into he was rubbish because x,y and z. Two outstanding footballers, idolized in their own counties and further afield and both delivered time and time again over the years. The question shouldn't be who was better the question should be will we ever see their ilk again, the small, skillful forward rather than the fashion for the larger, athletic types we have today. Not a criticism of anyone player or team, more an observation on the lack of smaller stature players in the game now and their proximity to the sticks. duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 06/04/2017 10:43:00 1976396 Link 1 |
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A common sense contribution, I wholeheartedly agree
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 06/04/2017 10:56:36 1976405 Link 0 |
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Gooch's scoring stats from some of the bigger profile matches against Ulster opposition in his career: ALF v Armagh 2002 (debut season): 0-2 ALF v Tyrone 2005: 0-5 (And that was while enduring an 'eye inspection') QF v Armagh 2006: 0-3 QF v Monaghan 2007: 0-3. I'm sure your still peed about that one ALF v Tyrone 2008: 0-6, (not bad in a Final for a man who never showed up) QF v Down 2010: 0-7 Qualifier v Tyrone 2012: 0-5 TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/04/2017 10:58:01 1976406 Link 2 |