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Not having Dan Flynn and Neil Flynn available is a big blow for kildare. 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 07/04/2017 22:23:18 1977024 Link 0 |
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In the 15 years before and 15 years after the 98 -01 period Galway have been not at the top table. While Mayo have consistently been Connachtst op team reaching finals and beaten the top teams. The one thing Galway over Mayo is the two wins in 98 and 01. People place Galway ahead of Mayo becuase of 98 and 01. But for beaten the top teams and consistency Mayo are top. In 87 Galway reached the semi final. But between 87 and 98 Galway were Division 2 and even Division 3 by the mid 90s. In the last 7 or so years Galway have been Division 2 team. Their record v top counties is very poor. Galway have not beaten Dublin in the championship in 90 years. Galway have not beaten Kerry in the championship in 52 years. Galway have only had ( as far as I can see ) 1 victory in the championship over a top team/ All Ireland winning team/ top county outside Connacht in the last fifty years. The victory over Meath in 01 is Galways only victory over a top team outside Connacht in 50 years. While Mayo have beaten Dublin twice in the last ten years. Mayo have also beaten reigning All Ireland Champions Tyrone, Dublin and Cork in recent times. They have also beaten Donegal. While Kerry have been bogey team for Mayo , Mayo did beat them in 1996. Mayo have reached 6 finals in the last ten years. Galway have not won in Croker in 16 years. Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 07/04/2017 22:23:59 1977025 Link 0 |
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So overall I feel Galway hurlers and Mayo get a bad rap in comparison with the Galway footballers. But in the next 4-5 years Galway seem to have a potentially very good team. Under the right management anything is possible. Hopefully they do. Because like Galway football. Everyone likes Galway and Galway football. And Gaelic football needs a successful Galway. But I believe for county that is the center of political, social, economic cultural life in the west of the Ireland. One of our most famous counties. One of the great gaelic football counties they have a poor record in Gaelic football since the heyday of Galway football in 1960s. So Sundays final is interesting. Hopefully it's the start of a new successful era for Galway football. They have the tradition, they have some exciting young talent. But they need to start winning in Croker again and beat the top teams like Mayo do. This is what Galway did in its heyday between the 1920s and 1960s. That's were Galway football should be. Here's hoping. For Gaelic football needs a strong Galway.
Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 07/04/2017 22:37:32 1977027 Link 0 |
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So overall I feel Galway hurlers and Mayo get a bad rap in comparison with the Galway footballers. But in the next 4-5 years Galway seem to have a potentially very good team. Under the right management anything is possible. Hopefully they do. Because like Galway football. Everyone likes Galway and Galway football. And Gaelic football needs a successful Galway. But I believe for county that is the center of political, social, economic cultural life in the west of the Ireland. One of our most famous counties. One of the great gaelic football counties they have a poor record in Gaelic football since the heyday of Galway football in 1960s. So Sundays final is interesting. Hopefully it's the start of a new successful era for Galway football. They have the tradition, they have some exciting young talent. But they need to start winning in Croker again and beat the top teams like Mayo do. This is what Galway did in its heyday between the 1920s and 1960s. That's were Galway football should be. Here's hoping. For Gaelic football needs a strong Galway.
Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 07/04/2017 22:44:06 1977029 Link 0 |
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I think I would rather Walsh than Horan. The big problem with Galway at the moment is inconsistency from game to game and even from one half to another within a game. If they are on song in the final they will really test a Kildare that has also been scoring very freely. Finals tend to make teams go conservative in approach, irrespective of what their coaches may preach, and scores may be at a premium.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 07/04/2017 23:24:41 1977042 Link 0 |
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Some very iffy opinions there including over what constitutes a top team at any given time. if you meet and defeat a team in an All-Ireland final or semi-final they are generally a top side in that particular year. Galway would have beaten Dublin between 98-02. They just didn't happen to meet at the time. In fact the sides have not met since 83 although Dublin have definitely had the better of it historically. Not to mention Galway were actually considered Kerry's bogey side for a long time. It's only been since the mid 80's that Kerry have gone on a winning run against Galway.
Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2217 - 08/04/2017 04:35:29 1977052 Link 2 |
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I see galway winning as its easier for them to be motivated playing the firsts as opposed seconds. They knew they were playing the seconds and that makes the mindset lax. A 5050 game, if galway get somewhat parity against an excellent kildare midfield we have a good chance. Dunno about consistency with galway, I think that's one thing we have been this league outside the last game. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 08/04/2017 08:31:43 1977060 Link 0 |
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After that rather flighty history of GAA in Galway as a dual fan I can assure you Galway hurlers do not get a raw deal compared to our footballers. In actual fact the footballers have to be going better to get the support of the 'marginal' fan (those who are neither hurling only or football only). Remember in most given years it is harder to win Sam than Liam given amount of likely contenders and landmines along the way. Also our Co. Board are more hurling focused in terms of top table representation with football fraternity having to bite their lip over the debt crisis largely created by the failed hurling centre of excellence experiment. Sure the football centre of excellence is now the county centre of excellence. Having said all that we have to get on with for the future of both codes and to try and be competitive. As for Mayo they got no raw deal with the bailing out/relaxing of the debt created by McHale Park development and huge expenditure on their senior football team. We got no such 'deal'.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 08/04/2017 08:55:47 1977064 Link 0 |
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"Sure the football centre of excellence is now the County centre of excellence ", when did this occur & when & where was it decided ???? Apart from the minor hurlers & senior hurlers using it occasionally it was still the football centre of excellence. This is news to many ! It would seem strange that not only would they take on the multi million debt incurred by the hurling board but that the football board would now hand over 50% of their centre of excellence ! Many would be interested in when this was officially decided & by whom, you seem to know ?
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 08/04/2017 10:42:19 1977086 Link 0 |
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Next time you are passing by look at the name on the building. Changed about two yrs ago. In fairness I have no issue as such as I think both our footballers and hurlers deserve equal treatment. Now those few hurling board heads who went on a solo effort during the boom are another matter.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 08/04/2017 14:58:34 1977129 Link 0 |
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So the centre of excellence is now run by the County Board not the Football board & all facilities are shared evenly with the Hurling board is that the case ? I think many people weren't aware of this change.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 08/04/2017 15:53:28 1977138 Link 0 |
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not sure you are totally correct, what are the 11 games Galway lost? They drew with Donegal in 2003 thanks to KW. How did Meath do in HQ against good teams since 2000 and it's their province? Rhetorical question. Best to Kildare and Galway tomorrow it's all gravy on the spuds. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 08/04/2017 16:14:29 1977143 Link 1 |
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this thing about galway not winning in croke park for so long is a bit unfair really rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 08/04/2017 17:17:30 1977155 Link 0 |
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I cannot list all the loses off the top of my head. But Martin Breheny in the Indo during the week listed 11 games Galway have lost in Croke Park since 2001. He also listed 8 games Galway won in Croke Park between 98 and 01. Your right Meath have fallen since 2000. I would say this period had been the worst in Meath football since the 1930s. My fear would be that Meath after pretty much 60 to 70 years of sucess Meath could really dip now. These are worrying times for Meath fans. What top teams have Meath beaten since 2000 you asked. A top team in my book is simply a team that wins an All Ireland. Even though this has been Meaths worst period in decades. Meath have beaten Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo and Galway twice and defeated Dublin twice and drew 1 time in the championship since 2000. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone were All Ireland winning teams. Meath defeated Kerry and Dublin by record scores in 01 and 2010. Kerry were reigning All Ireland in 01 and Meath won by 15 point which is Kerry worst defeat in championship in 100 years. While Meath defeated Dublin by 5 goals in 2010 which was Dublin worst defeat in leinster in 50 years. The Dublin team Meath bet by 10 points was basically the team that won the All Ireland in 2011. And the majority of 2010 Dublin have backboned Dublins 4 All Irelands win this decade. Meath also defeated the great Tyrone team in the 2007 quater final. The next year Tyrone would win their third All Ireland in 5 years. So to answer your question Meath have beaten 3 All Ireland winning teams since 2000. While at a time Meath have been at their lowest ebb in decades. Which is not bad going when you compare to other counties. For example Kildare have only beaten 1 All Ireland winning team in the championship outside leinster in 90 years. And that was Kerry in 1997. Meath traditionally have a very good record v the top teams . Thats Meaths strenght and weakness. When we are strong we have no fear or in awe of the top teams . But when we are weak like at the moment we think are better then other less succrssful counties but the truth we are not. For example we have the best record in the country v Dublin with 10 wins and 6 draws in the last 30 years. Kerry come next with 3 wins followed with Tyrone, Kildare, Donegal, Mayo and Laois on 2 wins. We have a good record v Kerry overall and are Cork and Mayos bogey teams. In 6 All Ireland finals in the last 50 years Cork have played Meath 6 times and only won 1 time. Mayo have played 6 or 7 times. And only won only once back in 51. While we have allot of problems like other traditional kick and catch counties v the Ulster teams blanket defence in recent times. Our record traditionally has been very good v Ulster teams. We have played 14 All Ireland semi finals v Ulster teams with 14 victories to Meath. But when we are weak we are very weak. We think we are better then other counties but we are not. So in the last 15 years we would consider ourselves better then Cavan or Fermanagh but we are not. Cavan, Fermanagh, Kildare ,Westmeath, Wexford and Laois have deservedly beaten us in recent times. But we are at a very critical point history were if don't get out a time together we could become the new Cavan. Successful for decades and then just very little success . Time will tell. Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 08/04/2017 18:24:35 1977170 Link 0 |
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Be great to see Kildare further rub it in the face of Meath and lift silverware tomorrow jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 08/04/2017 18:35:49 1977171 Link 3 |
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What is a top team in my book?. A top team is an All Ireland winning team. Galway from the 1920s to the 1966 were a superpower with teams of greatness and genius very decade. Culminating in the three in a row in the sixties. My grandfather always maintains the Galway and the Down teams of the sixties are the two greatest teams he saw play. And he did not miss an All Ireland final in 50 years. Purcell, McDonagh, Collernan this is era when Galway was hugely successful with all time greats. But since then not as successful. They have only beaten 1 All Ireland winning team since 1966 outside Connacht. The record v Kerry was very good in the sixties winning two finals in a row. Anytime you beat Kerry in a final it's almost worth two wins . This shows how truly great that Galway team was. But since 1966 they haven't beaten Kerry . While yes if Galway met Dublin in 98-01 they would have won. But you could say if Galway met Dublin between 1984 -1998 Dublin would have won and if both counties met in the last 16 years Dublin would have won. Listen I like Galway. Galway is great county. One of our greatest. It was great to see Galway winning All Ireland in late 90s. Even though I did not enjoy your win in 01 for obvious reasons. But still GAA needs a strong Galway. Hopefully in the next few years we see a strong Galway and I think Galway have a chance of winning an All Ireland in the next 4 - 5 years. I have to say I didn't know the county board was more for hurling then football. And I would have thought football and hurling was fifty fifty in terms of support and powerbase in the county. If football takes a back seat that would explain Galways lack sucess in the 30 years, with the exception in the late 90s. And that is sad to hear. You have big city , a big county , an iconic world famous in Galway a successful team would be great for the county and for the west and for the GAA as a while. Imagine a Galway v Mayo All Ireland final. Not that would be something special . Here's hoping we see it not to far into the future . Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 08/04/2017 19:05:19 1977181 Link 1 |
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When Dublin are beaten in the near future and it will happen maybe even tomorrow. It will be a great day for the GAA and for us Meath folk we will rejoice wholeheartly. The summer only begins when the hay saved and the Dubs are beaten Enjoy your time in the sun. Even though you have no rivals. Don't have to face any opposition of sorts. Imagine if the Tyrone team or the Kerry team of the noughties were around now. I don't you think you would be going for three in a row. And if Meach team of 90s was around you wouldn't have won the last 6 leinster teams. This Dublin are overhyped and over funded. They are lucky so many counties are going through bad periods. They are lucky GAA pumped millions into then since 2005. While all others counties win All Ireland the proper GAA way with good old fashioned hard work and determination. Dublin are the frist team ever to buy All Irelands . They are Manchester City Chelsea and PSG rolled into one.
Lyons2000 (Meath) - Posts: 101 - 08/04/2017 19:15:12 1977186 Link 0 |
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You've mentioned beating "top teams" in a few posts... beating a top team gets you nothing in championship. Nothing. It's like any other game. It gets you a step closer to the Holy Grail. Being consistently fantastic like Mayo or even the fantastically inconsistent Galway hurlers means absolutely nothing to the players, management or supporters. For most "top teams" it's either you win it or you go home and try again the following year. Beating Dublin Kerry Mayo on the way to an All Ireland and then losing to Letrim in a final would not have lads saying in Coppers the third Sunday in September "ah sure we didn't win it but at least we beat Dublin Kerry and Mayo."
SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 596 - 08/04/2017 20:19:42 1977206 Link 0 |
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Yes Galway need to win in Croker, point taken. Meath has not won in Croker either though against a tough county in fairness. Hope that changes soon.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 08/04/2017 20:43:11 1977215 Link 0 |
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Looking forward to todays games. Hoepfully we will see a Kildare Kerry double 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 09/04/2017 07:13:52 1977269 Link 0 |