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Replying To Marse:  "Great game, two teams left the field completely spent. Enthralling to the end. Two dodgy black cards, but the teams can't help that."
Hughes's black card was definitely correct. He was lucky not to get a yellow afterwards for dissent which would make it red. And before you ask, a black plus yellow is possible. I'm lost as to why Connolly got black unless he said something to the ref but it didn't look like that. In relation to the Cavan yellow that I thought should have been a black but as far as I remember he didn't "pull him to the ground" which is what the rule states. (Neither did Connolly).
Super game

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 03/04/2017 10:13:34    1974627

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Was it just me or did Monaghan get 2 points that looked wide? Hawkeye would have helped but there was one score that Hughes (I think) kicked from way out to put Monaghan 2 ahead coming into the last 10 minutes, definitely wide.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/04/2017 11:53:29    1974722

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Was it just me or did Monaghan get 2 points that looked wide? Hawkeye would have helped but there was one score that Hughes (I think) kicked from way out to put Monaghan 2 ahead coming into the last 10 minutes, definitely wide."
I for deffo, not sure about the other.

Deano had a free waved wide, which looked over to me.

Mind you, first point looked wide, but was awarded.

Not a great day for the umpires.

Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 03/04/2017 12:27:02    1974741

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Replying To keithlemon:  "Was it just me or did Monaghan get 2 points that looked wide? Hawkeye would have helped but there was one score that Hughes (I think) kicked from way out to put Monaghan 2 ahead coming into the last 10 minutes, definitely wide."
Dublin's first point(I think) was wide too. The umpires were just sh*te at that end.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 03/04/2017 12:35:14    1974746

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The players certainly didn't make it easy on the umpires did they..

A number of difficult calls with a few balls that looked like they went over the post

At least 4 Hawk eye calls required, no doubt a couple of NIL's / TA's would have come up in contradiction to the umpires

Looks like the dodgy calls evened themselves out which was good, a game of such calibre deserved it.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 03/04/2017 12:51:20    1974754

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Joe had a big say in the game yesterday. Two incorrect black cards given yesterday and two blatent black cards not given. Bernard Brogan body checked Ryan Wylie just before half time clear as day. Joe McQuillian seen it, decided to ignore it. Result Brogan scores the crucial score that brings Dublin back into the match. Ciaran Reddins was a blatent a pull down on Darren Hughes as you would see and not even a ticking. Then Darren is black carded for a trip which was a coming together of legs nothing deliberate, nothing sinister. Connolly black was also a joke it was a deliberate pull down. Shane Carey received a yellow for a pull of the jersey that looked a certain black.

Referee's are having too big an influence on games

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 03/04/2017 13:13:15    1974772

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Joe had a big say in the game yesterday. Two incorrect black cards given yesterday and two blatent black cards not given. Bernard Brogan body checked Ryan Wylie just before half time clear as day. Joe McQuillian seen it, decided to ignore it. Result Brogan scores the crucial score that brings Dublin back into the match. Ciaran Reddins was a blatent a pull down on Darren Hughes as you would see and not even a ticking. Then Darren is black carded for a trip which was a coming together of legs nothing deliberate, nothing sinister. Connolly black was also a joke it was a deliberate pull down. Shane Carey received a yellow for a pull of the jersey that looked a certain black.

Referee's are having too big an influence on games"
You can add your number 12 Doogan I think to that haul of black card shoulda beens. He hauled Scully to the ground as he was chasing McCarron. Just bin the black I say.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 03/04/2017 13:20:52    1974780

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Replying To patk:  "Dublin's first point(I think) was wide too. The umpires were just sh*te at that end."
Correct patk, it was wide alright
Those umpires weren't at the races at all

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 03/04/2017 13:27:53    1974784

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Just off point, does anyone know if St Tiernachs Park usually has nets behind the goals?
A lady got a terrible smack of the ball to the head during the Monaghan warm up.
It could have ended very badly. She was helped away - hope there's no long term damage for her.
Im gonna email Monaghan County Board today about it. Very dangerous.

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 03/04/2017 13:43:46    1974796

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Joe had a big say in the game yesterday. Two incorrect black cards given yesterday and two blatent black cards not given. Bernard Brogan body checked Ryan Wylie just before half time clear as day. Joe McQuillian seen it, decided to ignore it. Result Brogan scores the crucial score that brings Dublin back into the match. Ciaran Reddins was a blatent a pull down on Darren Hughes as you would see and not even a ticking. Then Darren is black carded for a trip which was a coming together of legs nothing deliberate, nothing sinister. Connolly black was also a joke it was a deliberate pull down. Shane Carey received a yellow for a pull of the jersey that looked a certain black.

Referee's are having too big an influence on games"
Can't agree with Hughes argument he clearly tripped Fenton intentionally, it was needless and stupid but he did it and the rule is an intentional trip is a black card so he gave the ref no option but most of the others I agree with you on, it's the lack of consistency within a game not even from game to game on the cards is what is the biggest problem here, as Fenton in the second half was bursting in towards goal and was intentionally tripped again but the player didn't recieve a black card this time so you would wonder what goes through refs minds when deciding, if I was Hughes that's what I would be questioning the ref on after the game why he got one and the other monaghan player didn't for the same offence

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/04/2017 13:46:22    1974800

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Replying To runnerin:  "I agree if Dublin keep persisting with not playing their best starting 15 they'll get caught some day as for Rock he is back to where he was 2/3 years ago nothing from play only there for the frees Dublin are blessed to be able to pull it out of the bag game after game but its a very risky strategy they're using"
As said elsewhere, obviously teams mix it up a bit in the league and it will be the best 15 when it comes to serious championship matches.
A bit unfair about Dean Rock. Didn't play well yesterday but was a deserving all star last year. Has generally being consistent in the league and like others, will be judged by his Championship performances.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 03/04/2017 15:51:11    1974879

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Can't agree with Hughes argument he clearly tripped Fenton intentionally, it was needless and stupid but he did it and the rule is an intentional trip is a black card so he gave the ref no option but most of the others I agree with you on, it's the lack of consistency within a game not even from game to game on the cards is what is the biggest problem here, as Fenton in the second half was bursting in towards goal and was intentionally tripped again but the player didn't recieve a black card this time so you would wonder what goes through refs minds when deciding, if I was Hughes that's what I would be questioning the ref on after the game why he got one and the other monaghan player didn't for the same offence"
Only saw that once but wasn't the Monaghan player trying to put in a tackle that time on Fenton? It's very different to Hughes who just lazily tripped his opponent with no effort to play the ball.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 03/04/2017 15:58:35    1974884

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Replying To Greengrass:  "I've seen most of the championship this Dublin team has played in the later stages of the championship since 2011. I saw almost all of the championship football Kerry played in Croke Park between 1975-1986. I would still feel that Kerry 1-15 were a better outfit . Having said that I feel that this Dublin team are next on the list when it comes to the great teams I have seen and I don't think they are finished yet . I may have to revise that opinion in years to come ."
would not agree at all , i was at some of kerrys games in 70s, it was a dreadful time forstandard of teams, there was nothing in the west, less in the north, only cork in munster, kerry most years had 1 serious game to get to ai final, and have u seen them games on t na g? dreadful stuff

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2845 - 03/04/2017 16:08:25    1974891

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Replying To HenryHill16:  "Just off point, does anyone know if St Tiernachs Park usually has nets behind the goals?
A lady got a terrible smack of the ball to the head during the Monaghan warm up.
It could have ended very badly. She was helped away - hope there's no long term damage for her.
Im gonna email Monaghan County Board today about it. Very dangerous."
No it doesn't, neither has healy park where a similar incident happened last year, when questioned the county board said it wasn't their ground and it wasn't a requisite on any ground. Surely in the interest of the dreaded health and safety and litigation culture creeping into society, you would think the gaa would be making them compulsory. At around 20-30k for a decent set it wouldn't go far in a court case.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 03/04/2017 17:23:22    1974929

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Can't agree with Hughes argument he clearly tripped Fenton intentionally, it was needless and stupid but he did it and the rule is an intentional trip is a black card so he gave the ref no option but most of the others I agree with you on, it's the lack of consistency within a game not even from game to game on the cards is what is the biggest problem here, as Fenton in the second half was bursting in towards goal and was intentionally tripped again but the player didn't recieve a black card this time so you would wonder what goes through refs minds when deciding, if I was Hughes that's what I would be questioning the ref on after the game why he got one and the other monaghan player didn't for the same offence"
The ref signalled a pull on the jersey by Carey. Which was wrong. I'm going to have another look at the game tonight I still believe the Hughes card was wrong. Fenton did propel himself into he air which was disappointing.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 03/04/2017 17:34:46    1974932

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "No it doesn't, neither has healy park where a similar incident happened last year, when questioned the county board said it wasn't their ground and it wasn't a requisite on any ground. Surely in the interest of the dreaded health and safety and litigation culture creeping into society, you would think the gaa would be making them compulsory. At around 20-30k for a decent set it wouldn't go far in a court case."
If you are not paying attention, you can get hit by a ball. If you don't want to get hit by a ball in the warm-up, don't stand behind the goals. Have seen people with young children in the past, right behind the black spot (bad/careless parenting).

Monaghan08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 188 - 03/04/2017 17:37:13    1974933

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "No it doesn't, neither has healy park where a similar incident happened last year, when questioned the county board said it wasn't their ground and it wasn't a requisite on any ground. Surely in the interest of the dreaded health and safety and litigation culture creeping into society, you would think the gaa would be making them compulsory. At around 20-30k for a decent set it wouldn't go far in a court case."
30k for nets??? Seriously?

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 03/04/2017 17:44:33    1974938

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Can't agree with Hughes argument he clearly tripped Fenton intentionally, it was needless and stupid but he did it and the rule is an intentional trip is a black card so he gave the ref no option but most of the others I agree with you on, it's the lack of consistency within a game not even from game to game on the cards is what is the biggest problem here, as Fenton in the second half was bursting in towards goal and was intentionally tripped again but the player didn't recieve a black card this time so you would wonder what goes through refs minds when deciding, if I was Hughes that's what I would be questioning the ref on after the game why he got one and the other monaghan player didn't for the same offence"
I only saw the highlights on SG. I don't know whether Hughes intended to trip him or not but I find it interesting that you can say with such certainty that there was intent there. The second time Fenton was brought down seemed clear cut enough - the tackler caught him high up on the thigh/hip and did not merit a black card. Good game and good prep for Dublin for the final.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/04/2017 17:56:45    1974943

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Replying To Monaghan08:  "If you are not paying attention, you can get hit by a ball. If you don't want to get hit by a ball in the warm-up, don't stand behind the goals. Have seen people with young children in the past, right behind the black spot (bad/careless parenting)."
So it is the woman's fault for standing behind the goal? Presumably she paid in got a ticket stipulating where she was to go also it is not unreasonable to expecte that their would be retaining nets behind the goals for chrisake's what a setup. Compo culture aside they deserve to be fleeced for this.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 03/04/2017 19:12:11    1974992

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Darren Hughes black card was wrong......it was not a trip.......Connolly's black card was a yellow............Carey's Yellow card should of been black!!!

Bernard Brogan's off the ball shoulder without the ball is a black card which Joe McQuillan seen and waved at the Monaghan player to get up off the ground!!

The Black card isnt the problem its the Referee's who dont know the rule.........where was the linesmen yesterday??.............in Omagh we had linesmen who couldnt wait to have their say to get players sent off, yesterday we seen no linesman enter the pitch to help the Ref who was having a nightmare!!

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 03/04/2017 19:34:59    1975004

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