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Replying To dubarra:  "Plus most of the resentment seems to be coming from Kerry same as when Tyrone had their number. How dare any team beat them they seem to think they have a god given right to win the All Ireland every year."
A lot you'd know about it

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 26/03/2017 18:03:11    1971287

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "They should be doing something to raise the standards of so-called lesser counties. I don't agree with the argument that they can raise their standards if they really want to. Not easy for Division 3 and 4 teams playing that standard, getting beat after one, two if their lucky, provincial games and getting hammered in the backdoor. Fair play to Tipperary, Fermanagh and Wexford to get to semi finals, Sligo and Limerick also had a few good summers through a backdoor All Ireland. But Tipperary and Fermanagh seem to be the only team improving their standard fairly consistently.

I don't know what could improve the standard of Division 3 and 4 counties. I think that some kind of league with a mix of all standards in each division with the aim of reducing the gap in standards between the top and bottom. The top teams in each division could mentor the bottom. A league all star team from each division play semi and final, maybe the final being a showcase game abroad like the current All Stars tour. Naive enough ideas I know but I'm from Mayo and I can dream!

I'm not usually cynical but I can see no good for the long-term future of inter-county GAA once the Super 8 starts. Against the wishes of CPA and GPA to make the strong stronger and rake in the cash. That'll lead to an Intermediate championship for Division 3 and 4 counties with even less of a chance of improving standards for them. What's a talented 19 year old inter-county footballer in those counties going to think? Give all my dedication to football when I finish my studies, to strive for a low standard of football , even though I'm playing a much higher standard in college? Look for a job here in Cork/Galway/Dublin and maybe play for them? Go to the AFL or try another sport? Or a 15 year old deciding between hurling, football, rugby, athletics, soccer,other sports, just sticking with club football. Some are worried about other sports taking potential young GAA players. If the GAA doesn't look after club and so-called lesser counties more potential players will leave."
Replying to GreenandRed: "What's a talented 19 year old inter-county footballer in those counties going to think? Give all my dedication to football when I finish my studies, to strive for a low standard of football , even though I'm playing a much higher standard in college? Look for a job here in Cork/Galway/Dublin and maybe play for them? Go to the AFL or try another sport? Or a 15 year old deciding between hurling, football, rugby, athletics, soccer,other sports, just sticking with club football. Some are worried about other sports taking potential young GAA players. If the GAA doesn't look after club and so-called lesser counties more potential players will leave."

I hate to say it but the best competition in the GAA is the Fitzgibbon Cup & most club hurling is much more entertaining than inter-county. If you're not playing w/a school & can/are willing to leave the club for a while, then if I was that "talented 19yo IC footballer" (or hurler)I'd be on my way to the US & hope I'm good enough to get a chunk of change & a good, flexible, well paying job waiting for me. I'd put up any GAA player who wanted to come play in Boston or NYC as a way of giving back & w/the number of options & levels available here, anyone can come & get in with a club that would fit them. We're far from perfect but living here is what you make of it. Playing Gaelic Game of ones choice really helps. Helps me & I'm a native. Just be aware of the heat & humidity. ☀️☀️☀️

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 26/03/2017 18:27:52    1971312

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Replying To aidan64:  "A lot you'd know about it"
Really what makes you think that?

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 26/03/2017 18:52:05    1971333

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Replying To rhudson:  "correction i forgot to include davy byrne and eric lowndes were also on that 2014 u21 team
but Ciaran killkenny was not"
Kilkenny was part of u21 team in 2014 but got injured earlier that year. That 2014 21 team was built on 2 successful minor teams of 2011 & 2012

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 26/03/2017 18:54:52    1971336

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "
Replying To KYTotalFootball:  "They have raised the standards and SLOWED Kerry from getting to Sam # 40.

Any why was this a matter of national concern?

We have earned our success organically, certainly got F all help from Croke Park and HQ that is for sure. Are you suggesting if it was a level playing field we would win every year or what? I'm not sure......"
But I stated a fact not an opinion....Dublin have slowed down Kerry's path to Sam #40....so get over it"
So does stopping Kerry* justify creating a monopoly and destroying a vibrant and exciting Leinster Championship????

*I don't even agree with the stopping Kerry, its actually Mayo who have been denied of AI success to a far greater extent by the funding injection from both GAA & the Government. Mayo have been stronger than we have since Horan took over Donegal similar level to ourselvespossibly a bit stronger,

If there is any doubt or question as to the impact of all the money - just look at what Dublin won (in both codes and all grades) in the preceding 25-30 years and the period since 2005 and you have your answer

KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 26/03/2017 18:56:41    1971340

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Replying To valley84:  "Have to agree

Roscommon players dropping out of their panel as it is not being resourced. They have no training centre
Dublin meanwhile have every facility and resource they need - food, gym, pitches, Croke Park"
Yea ... Agree

I mean it's a shame everyone in Westmeath Roscommon and other areas are going around stick thin and malnourished cause of their lack of food

And a sickening lack of gyms and food.. It's not on

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/03/2017 19:15:00    1971353

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Replying To KYTotalFootball:  "
Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "[quote=KYTotalFootball:  "They have raised the standards and SLOWED Kerry from getting to Sam # 40.

Any why was this a matter of national concern?

We have earned our success organically, certainly got F all help from Croke Park and HQ that is for sure. Are you suggesting if it was a level playing field we would win every year or what? I'm not sure......"
But I stated a fact not an opinion....Dublin have slowed down Kerry's path to Sam #40....so get over it"
So does stopping Kerry* justify creating a monopoly and destroying a vibrant and exciting Leinster Championship????

*I don't even agree with the stopping Kerry, its actually Mayo who have been denied of AI success to a far greater extent by the funding injection from both GAA & the Government. Mayo have been stronger than we have since Horan took over Donegal similar level to ourselvespossibly a bit stronger,

If there is any doubt or question as to the impact of all the money - just look at what Dublin won (in both codes and all grades) in the preceding 25-30 years and the period since 2005 and you have your answer"]Dublin's dominance hasn't a thing to do with us not being good enough to win an All Ireland for more than 65 years.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7369 - 26/03/2017 19:21:17    1971361

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Ye won't be winning many more the old fashioned way...you will still get a free pass in the hurling province but now you may have to win a few games to win an all-ireland from next year...how many all ireland's did you win after losing the one meaningful game you play in the hurling province in the last decade..not to worry you could lose 2 next year and win the big one..the old fashioned way and ye would have 2 less Sam's to celebrate."
Says the man supporting a team who couldn't lose a provincial match if they tried. You're gas!

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 26/03/2017 19:56:31    1971394

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "I have to agree with the sentiments expressed by the poster who started the thread. Look, the onus is on Dublin fans to prove the following:

Please outline how having all your games in Croke Park come the Summer is not an advantage.
Please outline how a population of 1 million people is not an advantage.
Please outline how multi-national super corporations as sponsors isn't an advantage.
Please outline how having the best facilities on your doorstep to train etc isn't an advantage.

The Kerry of the 80's scenario isn't a fair comparison, as Kerry weren't handed everything by Croke Park in order to be a success.

My own view is the GAA panicked at the success of Irish rugby and decided to target the capital to offset the gains made by other sports. Now hurling is threatening rugby as south Dublin's number one game, it's astonishing."
Dublin play most of their games in Croke Park because the other counties in Leinster voted for it.
On the other 3 points nobody denies that Dublin have an advantage compared to other counties , but so do lots of other counties.Kerry have a massive advantage over all the counties in Munster because hurling is a small sport in Kerry while it is the main sport in the other 5 counties.

Dublin's rise to the top goes back a lot further than the rise of rugby in the late 00's in this country.All that has happened is they have finally started to fulfill their potential whereas they underachived in the past.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 26/03/2017 20:06:05    1971404

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The way dublin have come on is down to many reasons. Population is one as is the funding. But Kildare have the population and funding to do far better than in the last 5 years and they have done nothing.
Taking Dublin out of croke park is another way to go, but the way laois were swept to one side in Nowlan park shows that it makes no odds where they are played if they have the quality players. There are a lot of counties who are doing well. Monaghan been one. But there are other were county boards and bad officials on county boards are the cause for such low standards in their own county. Offaly comes to mind.

Rohanhorsemaste (Tipperary) - Posts: 26 - 26/03/2017 20:13:22    1971413

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "In Leinster Meath and Kildare have absolutely no excuses for being so poor.They have frankly been an embarrassment this decade and Kildare all round have been terrible for most of their history.

That has absolutely nothing to do with Dublin.

This Dublin team are one of the greatest of all time because their players are great and all the money in the world doesn't produce raw talent like they have.Fair enough they have a population advantage and that helps a lot but so do a lot of other counties and yet they can't make anything of it.Why are Monaghan so good when the likes of Galway and Cork have declined so much in recent years.

And for people arguing against Dublin being good do you not realise that a strong Dublin team is good for the GAA as a whole and Dublin GAA being in the news is still GAA being in the news.Rugby only really exploded in this country when Leinster started winning Munster winning never had the same effect as Leinster winning did."
A Biffo having a pop at Meath and Kildare?? Jesus wept.. Self reflect much?

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 26/03/2017 20:31:41    1971431

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "A Biffo having a pop at Meath and Kildare?? Jesus wept.. Self reflect much?"
But he's right isn't he Meath in particular are only a shadow of themselves from yrs gone by.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 26/03/2017 20:47:05    1971447

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Says the man supporting a team who couldn't lose a provincial match if they tried. You're gas!"
Yea 10 years is the same as 115 playing in mostly 1 football team hurling province...

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 26/03/2017 20:52:43    1971451

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To KYTotalFootball:  "[quote=suckvalleypaddy:  "[quote=KYTotalFootball:  "They have raised the standards and SLOWED Kerry from getting to Sam # 40.

Any why was this a matter of national concern?

We have earned our success organically, certainly got F all help from Croke Park and HQ that is for sure. Are you suggesting if it was a level playing field we would win every year or what? I'm not sure......"
But I stated a fact not an opinion....Dublin have slowed down Kerry's path to Sam #40....so get over it"
So does stopping Kerry* justify creating a monopoly and destroying a vibrant and exciting Leinster Championship????

*I don't even agree with the stopping Kerry, its actually Mayo who have been denied of AI success to a far greater extent by the funding injection from both GAA & the Government. Mayo have been stronger than we have since Horan took over Donegal similar level to ourselvespossibly a bit stronger,

If there is any doubt or question as to the impact of all the money - just look at what Dublin won (in both codes and all grades) in the preceding 25-30 years and the period since 2005 and you have your answer"]Dublin's dominance hasn't a thing to do with us not being good enough to win an All Ireland for more than 65 years."]I'm not talking about the previous 5 years not 65. And without a shadow of a doubt Mayo have been the best of the rest and would have multiple AI's in that period if there wasn't such a Monster in existence

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You cant look at that link and possibly for one second tell me that there is a fair playing field. They have enough natural advantages already (sponsorship, population, closeness of jobs and universites, Home games etc) without making the advantages even greater and more apparent

KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 26/03/2017 20:56:20    1971456

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "A Biffo having a pop at Meath and Kildare?? Jesus wept.. Self reflect much?"
Stop being so sensitive.

Both Meath and Kildare have been terrible for the last few years and have massively underachieved. Both counties are almost completely football counties and have fallen away completely as legitimate contenders despite having big populations that most other counties in Leinster don't have.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 26/03/2017 21:44:26    1971488

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Replying To KYTotalFootball:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=KYTotalFootball:  "[quote=suckvalleypaddy:  "[quote=KYTotalFootball:  "They have raised the standards and SLOWED Kerry from getting to Sam # 40.

Any why was this a matter of national concern?

We have earned our success organically, certainly got F all help from Croke Park and HQ that is for sure. Are you suggesting if it was a level playing field we would win every year or what? I'm not sure......"
But I stated a fact not an opinion....Dublin have slowed down Kerry's path to Sam #40....so get over it"
So does stopping Kerry* justify creating a monopoly and destroying a vibrant and exciting Leinster Championship????

*I don't even agree with the stopping Kerry, its actually Mayo who have been denied of AI success to a far greater extent by the funding injection from both GAA & the Government. Mayo have been stronger than we have since Horan took over Donegal similar level to ourselvespossibly a bit stronger,

If there is any doubt or question as to the impact of all the money - just look at what Dublin won (in both codes and all grades) in the preceding 25-30 years and the period since 2005 and you have your answer"]Dublin's dominance hasn't a thing to do with us not being good enough to win an All Ireland for more than 65 years."]I'm not talking about the previous 5 years not 65. And without a shadow of a doubt Mayo have been the best of the rest and would have multiple AI's in that period if there wasn't such a Monster in existence

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You cant look at that link and possibly for one second tell me that there is a fair playing field. They have enough natural advantages already (sponsorship, population, closeness of jobs and universites, Home games etc) without making the advantages even greater and more apparent"]That graphic is recycled by people who simply have no clue what they are looking at. Games development funding meaning GPOs are people employed partly by the GAA and partly by local clubs these people promote and develop the games without them their is no future. Population means everything with that graphic Dublin has one third of the entire population in the country proportionally that is how GPOs are distributed. The harsh truth is Dublin self funds, they have a ramshackle ground, invest it in teams and players not infrastructure nit like or daft country cousins. BTW Dublin are entitled to a cut if their own cake, and Dublin players are as impirtant as every other player. Investing in primary school kuds - which is what really that graphic is about tells you the GAA is investing in the games are you suggesting Dublin shouldnt have GPOs? Because we dont get for nothing we cough half the cost.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 26/03/2017 21:52:01    1971491

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How the F does money make a team better someone please explain that to me??? Give me a million euros, a Lamborghini, the top coaches (whoever they are) a girlfriend like Cian O Sullivan's and I would still never get near being an inter county footballer.

Yes in soccer money helps cause you can buy the best players but in Gaa you get what's born in your county. No doubt our population is an advantage but after that I don't agree with the money excuse. Don't forget players like Cluxton Brogan Connolly Flynn Andrews O Sullivan have been on the end of serious hidings from Tyrone and Kerry in the pass.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/03/2017 21:58:07    1971494

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Replying To KYTotalFootball:  "
Replying To GreenandRed:  "[quote=KYTotalFootball:  "[quote=suckvalleypaddy:  "[quote=KYTotalFootball:  "They have raised the standards and SLOWED Kerry from getting to Sam # 40.

Any why was this a matter of national concern?

We have earned our success organically, certainly got F all help from Croke Park and HQ that is for sure. Are you suggesting if it was a level playing field we would win every year or what? I'm not sure......"
But I stated a fact not an opinion....Dublin have slowed down Kerry's path to Sam #40....so get over it"
So does stopping Kerry* justify creating a monopoly and destroying a vibrant and exciting Leinster Championship????

*I don't even agree with the stopping Kerry, its actually Mayo who have been denied of AI success to a far greater extent by the funding injection from both GAA & the Government. Mayo have been stronger than we have since Horan took over Donegal similar level to ourselvespossibly a bit stronger,

If there is any doubt or question as to the impact of all the money - just look at what Dublin won (in both codes and all grades) in the preceding 25-30 years and the period since 2005 and you have your answer"]Dublin's dominance hasn't a thing to do with us not being good enough to win an All Ireland for more than 65 years."]I'm not talking about the previous 5 years not 65. And without a shadow of a doubt Mayo have been the best of the rest and would have multiple AI's in that period if there wasn't such a Monster in existence

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You cant look at that link and possibly for one second tell me that there is a fair playing field. They have enough natural advantages already (sponsorship, population, closeness of jobs and universites, Home games etc) without making the advantages even greater and more apparent"]Dublin's advantages have absolutely nothing got to to do with us not winning the All Ireland in the past 5 or 65 years. We weren't good enough in the finals we were in.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7369 - 26/03/2017 22:10:26    1971504

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No one is saying money alone will turn a donkey into a racehorse, but at the top level a bunch of small incremental factors together make a massive difference

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I think an interesting comparison is the GB Indoor Cycling team which up until the London Olympic Games was unremarkable, received large funding in relation to its competitors and then got an even greater share for the Rio Games and led to an even greater domination in terms of medals than 4 years previously.

Now, of course this meant the other sports in Britain had to take a reduced share in funding to account for the increase in cycling funding and many people in the UK are asking what is the reason for Funding - Medals or the Welfare of Sport in general.

The GAA face a similar issue albeit on a smaller scale obviously - An enormously strong Dublin or the wealth spread around the country which the DCB would argue strengthens competing sports.

KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 26/03/2017 22:49:15    1971533

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "Stop being so sensitive.

Both Meath and Kildare have been terrible for the last few years and have massively underachieved. Both counties are almost completely football counties and have fallen away completely as legitimate contenders despite having big populations that most other counties in Leinster don't have."
Your dead right, ourselves and Meath should follow Offaly's example of how to get our houses in order...

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 26/03/2017 22:50:19    1971535

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