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Meath vs Kildare 5th February

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Replying To redser123: "Alternatives in midfield James toher and Stuart lowndes is all I can think of, our biggest problem area by far, such a pity that Gillespie had to retire so young, and also that Rooney is unavailable for the year" yes agree lowndes or toher midfield would definitely be better than what i seen yesterday. we were cleaned overthehill72 (Meath) - Posts: 334 - 06/02/2017 15:12:50 1952795 Link
As someone who plays currently in senior champ, these 20 players are the best footballers in Meath lads by a long shot. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts:240 - 06/02/2017 14:11:17 1952736 They may be as good as what was on show yesterday but to say that they are the best 20 footballer in Meath is pure rubbish. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/02/2017 15:13:22 1952796 Link
Replying To redser123: "Alternatives in midfield James toher and Stuart lowndes is all I can think of, our biggest problem area by far, such a pity that Gillespie had to retire so young, and also that Rooney is unavailable for the year" Thought kick outs were far too lofted and allowed Kildare to break the ball easily.They seemed to win all the breaking ball in midfield and that was clearly worked on by them in preparation for the game. POR is a better option in goals as he can bypass midfield with his long kick-outs if we are under pressure in that area. Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 06/02/2017 15:19:25 1952800 Link
Replying To Poormouth: "Thought kick outs were far too lofted and allowed Kildare to break the ball easily.They seemed to win all the breaking ball in midfield and that was clearly worked on by them in preparation for the game. POR is a better option in goals as he can bypass midfield with his long kick-outs if we are under pressure in that area." Have to agree POR is a much better option in goals. For all his indiscipline in the past he is much smarter with his kick outs. And as you said the option to kick past midfield if we're getting cleaned out there like yesterday. I think Andy McEntee is the right man for the job but yesterday would have been a real eye opener. He did not cover himself in glory on the line yesterday with decisions or lack of them. How we allowed the two Cribbens(7 & 12) run at will especially in the first half is beyond me. Huge improvement needed for Derry game and tbh not sure if we can get it with this team. Big changes needed. Greenwood (Meath) - Posts: 210 - 06/02/2017 15:39:35 1952815 Link
Replying To browncows: "As someone who plays currently in senior champ, these 20 players are the best footballers in Meath lads by a long shot. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts:240 - 06/02/2017 14:11:17 1952736 They may be as good as what was on show yesterday but to say that they are the best 20 footballer in Meath is pure rubbish." What players would you bring in that are not ancient or injured. Honest question. Also that would commit to IC football and all that entails. The only reason I ask is was sitting beside man yesterday that said a club player (particular one) would walk onto team, and would be a great addition, was asked by Andy and he turned it down after long considering it. His reasons? Whats the point training 6 nights per week , have 0 social life, eat drink and sleep football to at very best go up to croke park get walloped by lads showing off their FREE cars on Facebook. While I was a little taken aback by his thought process, (as I see no greater honour than playing for Meath) has he a point? So I'm not having a pop, I just wondering who are these players that are injury free, willing to commit and are now t on panel. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/02/2017 16:16:26 1952842 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "What players would you bring in that are not ancient or injured. Honest question. Also that would commit to IC football and all that entails. The only reason I ask is was sitting beside man yesterday that said a club player (particular one) would walk onto team, and would be a great addition, was asked by Andy and he turned it down after long considering it. His reasons? Whats the point training 6 nights per week , have 0 social life, eat drink and sleep football to at very best go up to croke park get walloped by lads showing off their FREE cars on Facebook. While I was a little taken aback by his thought process, (as I see no greater honour than playing for Meath) has he a point? So I'm not having a pop, I just wondering who are these players that are injury free, willing to commit and are now t on panel." Who's the guy who would walk into the team then ? Hear this stuff at every game grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 06/02/2017 21:24:08 1953036 Link
Meath are awful GAAman41 (Dublin) - Posts: 87 - 06/02/2017 22:09:24 1953070 Link
Replying To GAAman41: "Meath are awful" Options are very limited regrarding players that can be used. It does seem now that we are not getting the best out of those we have.Many examples in last few matches of very poor teamwork,,,,,No attempts at a plan to pick up breaking ball around the middle especially when midfielders punching the ball rather than attemping clean catch etc. etc. Very little we can do about WHO we play as options liited. very big impact to be gained by WHAT we do, AND HOW we use players as a TEAM nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 07/02/2017 07:52:27 1953137 Link
Replying To overthehill72: "yes agree lowndes or toher midfield would definitely be better than what i seen yesterday. we were cleaned" lowndes needs to get my miles in the engine first, seen him against DIT and was out on his feet after 20 mins. in saying that i havent seen to much of him apart from that game so im reserving judgement. ultimately toher will stick with the hurling when they start to clash so we would need another option there, flanagan still doesnt look fit enough for intercounty at the moment which is understandable after a serious injury. There is probably more undiscovered talent in the intermediate and junior championships still so it shouldnt be just confined to the best senior club players srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 07/02/2017 08:39:26 1953149 Link
Replying To grahamc9897: "Who's the guy who would walk into the team then ? Hear this stuff at every game" I don't know anything about him never seen him play. Unfair for me to mention name directly, but his club is dunboyne. Look we all hear this at every game I know that , what I really found interesting was his thought process in not joining Meath, and is he just a one off? Or is others like that. People living in county may have better idea than me, I just found it astonishing, as I see no greater honour royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/02/2017 09:29:54 1953157 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I don't know anything about him never seen him play. Unfair for me to mention name directly, but his club is dunboyne. Look we all hear this at every game I know that , what I really found interesting was his thought process in not joining Meath, and is he just a one off? Or is others like that. People living in county may have better idea than me, I just found it astonishing, as I see no greater honour" I know of three lads who were asked but declined.I wont mention names here. They all would love to play for Meath but the training and commitment involved nowadays does not suit their work. People can give two or three nights a week but five and six a week is not something many people can give. Never really understood why so much training is needed anyway. Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 07/02/2017 10:24:18 1953182 Link
Replying To srgt_slaughter: "lowndes needs to get my miles in the engine first, seen him against DIT and was out on his feet after 20 mins. in saying that i havent seen to much of him apart from that game so im reserving judgement. ultimately toher will stick with the hurling when they start to clash so we would need another option there, flanagan still doesnt look fit enough for intercounty at the moment which is understandable after a serious injury. There is probably more undiscovered talent in the intermediate and junior championships still so it shouldnt be just confined to the best senior club players" Agree!!! bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 07/02/2017 11:46:24 1953224 Link
Replying To Poormouth: "I know of three lads who were asked but declined.I wont mention names here. They all would love to play for Meath but the training and commitment involved nowadays does not suit their work. People can give two or three nights a week but five and six a week is not something many people can give. Never really understood why so much training is needed anyway." Surely it is about the QUALITY of the training rather than the QUANTITY of training that matters. Not sure whos needs are being met by overdoing it on time alone nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 07/02/2017 12:19:40 1953237 Link
Replying To bert09: "Agree!!!" Supposedly on the GPS trackers against DIT Lowndes covered the most distance on the Meath team.. how many more miles would you like from him?? TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 07/02/2017 12:45:37 1953246 Link
He covered a lot of ground that night. He was keeping up with the play (out wide) more so than really getting involved in it. He would have the engine to play midfield (box to box) and can kick a pass. Unfortunately I see few if any players on the Meath team with the workrate, intensity and mobility to play midfield and really take charge (boss the game) and dominate their opponents. You would have to wonder with all the training over the last number of months and years, would the team/players have higher energy levels during matches (the whole purpose of it all) if they cut back on training somewhat. I just do not see the point or benefit of training that much, if there is a hint of burnout on match day. GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 07/02/2017 13:48:32 1953276 Link
Replying To nobull456: "Surely it is about the QUALITY of the training rather than the QUANTITY of training that matters. Not sure whos needs are being met by overdoing it on time alone" I tend to agree with you, I get the impression that training has become who can run the fastest for the longest instead of who has the sharpest football brain. Football has become all about statistics instead of ability. While I understand the thinking behind it I also think it stifles players as they become more concerned that they cover enough ground, execute the correct pass ect rather than actually willing to take a punt on along range shot or pass. In reality players become machines able to go through the process to the Nth degree but unable to think for themselves and unable to react when the process isn't working. If lads are training 3 nights a week and 1 game a week then they should be fit enough once they look after themselves food wise and maybe a little bit of a light workout when they are off. I think half the reason for this training 6 times a week is that managers dont trust players to look after themselves on their own merit. This in turn means players aren't thinking for themselves. This could be why the Meath players look clueless at times on the pitch. They aren't used of thinking on their feet, everything is over managed and handed to them. Hopefully Andy will be able to get them more clued in so that they will actually start to use their football brain in conjunction with their ability. anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 07/02/2017 14:28:08 1953294 Link
Replying To anto_meath: "I tend to agree with you, I get the impression that training has become who can run the fastest for the longest instead of who has the sharpest football brain. Football has become all about statistics instead of ability. While I understand the thinking behind it I also think it stifles players as they become more concerned that they cover enough ground, execute the correct pass ect rather than actually willing to take a punt on along range shot or pass. In reality players become machines able to go through the process to the Nth degree but unable to think for themselves and unable to react when the process isn't working. If lads are training 3 nights a week and 1 game a week then they should be fit enough once they look after themselves food wise and maybe a little bit of a light workout when they are off. I think half the reason for this training 6 times a week is that managers dont trust players to look after themselves on their own merit. This in turn means players aren't thinking for themselves. This could be why the Meath players look clueless at times on the pitch. They aren't used of thinking on their feet, everything is over managed and handed to them. Hopefully Andy will be able to get them more clued in so that they will actually start to use their football brain in conjunction with their ability." anto- meath Yes too much paralysis by analysis with players afraid to take resposibility and shoot for a score as an example.. However ,if Andy could get sufficient players receptive to good coaching we might move forward. So far it is very difficult to understand and accept that players {with some exceptions} and coaching are as poor as it looks nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 07/02/2017 14:59:19 1953307 Link
Replying To anto_meath: "I tend to agree with you, I get the impression that training has become who can run the fastest for the longest instead of who has the sharpest football brain. Football has become all about statistics instead of ability. While I understand the thinking behind it I also think it stifles players as they become more concerned that they cover enough ground, execute the correct pass ect rather than actually willing to take a punt on along range shot or pass. In reality players become machines able to go through the process to the Nth degree but unable to think for themselves and unable to react when the process isn't working. If lads are training 3 nights a week and 1 game a week then they should be fit enough once they look after themselves food wise and maybe a little bit of a light workout when they are off. I think half the reason for this training 6 times a week is that managers dont trust players to look after themselves on their own merit. This in turn means players aren't thinking for themselves. This could be why the Meath players look clueless at times on the pitch. They aren't used of thinking on their feet, everything is over managed and handed to them. Hopefully Andy will be able to get them more clued in so that they will actually start to use their football brain in conjunction with their ability." Google overtraining syndrome and see all the (negative) physical effects. Then there is this nugget of information - a loss/lack of enthusiasm or ambition. If Andy cannot sort the senior Meath team out over the next few years, we'll have to bring someone up from Kerry to show us how to play football again. GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 07/02/2017 15:14:37 1953313 Link
another reason teams are being overtrained is that some managers get a little amount of cash per session. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 631 - 07/02/2017 16:04:04 1953328 Link
Replying To GlasagusOr: "Google overtraining syndrome and see all the (negative) physical effects. Then there is this nugget of information - a loss/lack of enthusiasm or ambition. If Andy cannot sort the senior Meath team out over the next few years, we'll have to bring someone up from Kerry to show us how to play football again." This is spot on. I get the impression that players under MOD were run into the ground (multiple injuries point to this). Holiday in Jamaica anyone? bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 07/02/2017 16:38:11 1953343 Link