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Replying To Footnote: "Lads as depressing as today was, it really serves no purpose in singling out individual players for criticism, they were, I think we all would agree, give or take, either the best available or at least deserving of a chance. While I would have a slight question about some of his actions or non actions during the game, I genuinely believe Andy Mc entee deserves a chance and our support. The point I would like to make is in relation to the perceived lack of quality footballers in the county. I believe we have given most counties a huge head start in relation to our underage structures and that it is only in last few years that we have realised the massive importance of having a joined up process in developing our young talent. I strongly believe that there should be a full time person in charge of the county in relation to underage structures and county teams,where development is monitored throughout the age groups. On a positive note I do believe that the current crop of under 21's (who have benefited from the improvement in the system) have a number of the type of players we need, i.e big strong fit ball players. They may do well this year but either way I believe that the future is not as bleak as it seems now. But let them develop" Yeah you make good points to be fair.you can see that Kildare were stronger,faster,and more athletic.It is only the last year or 2 that we have brought strength and conditioning into underage.sadly alot of our current crop haven't benefited from this,but you are correct about alot of the U21's.
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Replying To bobjaffacake: "On a positive note we do have some very good players to come in that will make a huge difference. padraig harnan james mcentee and donnacha tobin will be back in the next few weeks hopefully. add that to brian conlon and ronan jones.plus 2 players that i cant understand are not in the squad, darragh Smyth looked really good last year and looked a better defencer then power and Douglas. Plus we need andrew tormay back on the panel.if fit he could do a job at full forward or midfield" do we? do we really have that depth? i dont think we do bar donnacha tobin
srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 06/02/2017 08:41:44
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Half back line was non existent , along with Midfield who seemed to take a siesta from the throw in,
The Kildare Midfielders dominated proceedings for most of the game , thus leaving the defence exposed . In other games I thought the corner forwards were reverting to a defensive role when required , yesterdays corner forwards , were non existent , and didn't attempt to help out their defence for most of the game . O Sullivan , Lenihan showed they have it but , O Sullivan is a one man show . and tends to run into blocks , and real defenders . But he is game . The problem may be that the support that should be running off his shoulder is not doing it . If that's the case "where is it " , it can act as two things , lay off support or a distraction to defenders . on both of the occasions that people were shouting for a penalty , there was no lay off support .
There were a number of diabolical performances yesterday. And this is only the national league . Imagine what would happen to these players in the heat of championship football .
We have to gauge it by what it was . Two Leinster non contenders playing it out in the first round of the Div 2 League . With one team miles ahead of the other , who are possibly looking at relegation due to the other games if they don't win their home games . Mathematically , logically its not looking good for Meath in Div 2 this year .
Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 06/02/2017 09:12:47
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Its very early in to Andy tenure. Who know whats to come but What he what I think of purely of the management set up so far, from what I seen its been very poor.
1)The decision to bring back Joe on goals is a joke. He has had his day and I am not sure what he can add to squad I don't think he is the type of player that people will bust a gut for in training either.
2) The team was no where near prepared for the game yesterday. With only 8 players starting yesterday that played against Louth and only 4 starting played in the starting positions they did against Louth. I flagged this before the game a worry. Contrast that with Louth they only made 3 changes from the team that played Dublin to the team that played Loais. And is it was clear with the half time panicky substitutions Andy has no clue of what players he wants.if at this early stage. And throwing Brian Sheridan in was a big gamble that back fired badly.
3) If Andy was Watching Meath over the past 4 years and I am sure he has he could see that when teams run at us we are very vulnerable I dont see any plan in place to rectify this so far.
4) innovation I haven't seen any new players come through and guys bee tired in different positions no real imagination. ie for instants we have no midfield but yet we are very slow to take a quick kicks out to avoid kicking down the middle.
Andy and co only starting its going to take 2 to 3 years before anything happens. But the management get D rating so far.
I know people are saying we don't have players that might be true. But I refuse to believe we don't have the players to compete with a poor enough Killdare side.( Not taking away from there full deserved victory yesterday )
Lets hope Andy and co can pick it for the Derry game. And I think its going to be a titanic struggle to stay up in Div 2 this year.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 06/02/2017 09:33:05
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Serious problems straight from the outset and if we look at our number 6 and kildares 6 you can see the start of the problem. Shane McEntee was obviously told to follow Niall Kelly so all Niall Kelly done was took him out of the middle left it open and Kildare ran through if you looked up the other end eoin Doyle let Reilly go back into our backs but when he reached midfield he pushed up and that's when Meath needed to give the ball in it was two on two eoin Doyle had came up to pick a man up so no overlap could occur but then Meath decided to hand pass back and across the pitch which played into kildares hands cause the had man all over Meath turnover and up the pitch. Right decision for douglas to come off numerous times ball was on terrace side his man was back in his own defence on stand side and Douglas stood out on the wing waiting for his man (who was never coming) instead of cutting across into the middle where he could have done something all he was doing was marking space. Menton didn't try catch one clean kick out never did he put two hands up always one just to punch. Lenihan played well kicked nice scores but his movement inside is bad at one stage I looked in and he was on the 6 yard box just moving two feet left and right needs to be making darts to the wings. COS in first 10 couldn't even solo the ball lost the ball and Kildare got scores from it. Graham Reilly it was lucky he was playing because could have been a lot worse for Meath but if we look at Mayo lee keegan isn't playing and he plays grahams club..
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Replying To Meath909: "Serious problems straight from the outset and if we look at our number 6 and kildares 6 you can see the start of the problem. Shane McEntee was obviously told to follow Niall Kelly so all Niall Kelly done was took him out of the middle left it open and Kildare ran through if you looked up the other end eoin Doyle let Reilly go back into our backs but when he reached midfield he pushed up and that's when Meath needed to give the ball in it was two on two eoin Doyle had came up to pick a man up so no overlap could occur but then Meath decided to hand pass back and across the pitch which played into kildares hands cause the had man all over Meath turnover and up the pitch. Right decision for douglas to come off numerous times ball was on terrace side his man was back in his own defence on stand side and Douglas stood out on the wing waiting for his man (who was never coming) instead of cutting across into the middle where he could have done something all he was doing was marking space. Menton didn't try catch one clean kick out never did he put two hands up always one just to punch. Lenihan played well kicked nice scores but his movement inside is bad at one stage I looked in and he was on the 6 yard box just moving two feet left and right needs to be making darts to the wings. COS in first 10 couldn't even solo the ball lost the ball and Kildare got scores from it. Graham Reilly it was lucky he was playing because could have been a lot worse for Meath but if we look at Mayo lee keegan isn't playing and he plays grahams club.."
mmc (Meath) - Posts: 267 - 06/02/2017 11:05:09
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Replying To Meath909: "Serious problems straight from the outset and if we look at our number 6 and kildares 6 you can see the start of the problem. Shane McEntee was obviously told to follow Niall Kelly so all Niall Kelly done was took him out of the middle left it open and Kildare ran through if you looked up the other end eoin Doyle let Reilly go back into our backs but when he reached midfield he pushed up and that's when Meath needed to give the ball in it was two on two eoin Doyle had came up to pick a man up so no overlap could occur but then Meath decided to hand pass back and across the pitch which played into kildares hands cause the had man all over Meath turnover and up the pitch. Right decision for douglas to come off numerous times ball was on terrace side his man was back in his own defence on stand side and Douglas stood out on the wing waiting for his man (who was never coming) instead of cutting across into the middle where he could have done something all he was doing was marking space. Menton didn't try catch one clean kick out never did he put two hands up always one just to punch. Lenihan played well kicked nice scores but his movement inside is bad at one stage I looked in and he was on the 6 yard box just moving two feet left and right needs to be making darts to the wings. COS in first 10 couldn't even solo the ball lost the ball and Kildare got scores from it. Graham Reilly it was lucky he was playing because could have been a lot worse for Meath but if we look at Mayo lee keegan isn't playing and he plays grahams club.." It has taken me a long times to realise but after yesterday I can say without doubt we are just no good . Meath football is none existent and has been that way for a long time .
I admire the people on this site that can see a future in this Meath panel but I can't see any way forward and I will include the u21s in that after I seen them against Offaly in the Hastings cup .
I still can't believe that after trying out 60 players from all over the county in the OByrne cup and challenges that the 15 that started yesterday were the best we can come up with its actually frighting if that's the case .
We looked like a junior team that was put together for a challenge game .
If I was G. Reilly I would give next Sunday a miss and concentrate on the All-Ireland Intermediate final the following week .
Best of luck to all of you believers but this is one person that's had enough .
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Some posters on here complaining about the midfield. In my opinion Cian O Brien is too light for midfield and Bryan Menton is not a midfielder (rarely plays there for his club even). Also Menton is probably our best defender after Keoghan and we had some pretty poor defenders yesterday. Any alternatives for midfield apart from Adam Flanagan who came on at half time yesterday ?
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Some posters on here complaining about the midfield. In my opinion Cian O Brien is too light for midfield and Bryan Menton is not a midfielder (rarely plays there for his club even). Also Menton is probably our best defender after Keoghan and we had some pretty poor defenders yesterday. Any alternatives for midfield apart from Adam Flanagan who came on at half time yesterday ?
subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 06/02/2017 11:31:28
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I don't understand how we cant keep things tight with men behind the ball until we see how the game
develops. Giving a team leads only leaves you exposed when playing catch up.
I'm afraid we'll will need to take the ulster approach and pull everyone behind the ball whilst scrapping like dogs for
possession. This is the only way forward for us as we don't have the players but we should be able to teach guys a system
similarly to the way Donegal did in the early days. Ok you might win a game 8-6 or lose 9-8 but at least you would start to improve
confidence whilst imposing a new proven system on the players.
Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 06/02/2017 12:05:07
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Replying To subzero: "Some posters on here complaining about the midfield. In my opinion Cian O Brien is too light for midfield and Bryan Menton is not a midfielder (rarely plays there for his club even). Also Menton is probably our best defender after Keoghan and we had some pretty poor defenders yesterday. Any alternatives for midfield apart from Adam Flanagan who came on at half time yesterday ?" Mentons best season for Meath was under MOD in 2014 when he played wing back. This is his best position.
My half backs would be forde - Harnan - menton
Midfield is very weak for us. I cannot believe we continue to big toe the ball to midfielders. It's just madness.
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 06/02/2017 12:13:37
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This is what the Meath team should be in my opinion, v mobile and athletic team that can defend in large numbers and break at pace with 3/4 good point scorers in attack and runners from deep well able to kick a score. Keoghan for me is wasted in full back line and is brilliant under breaking ball. He's also looking a bit stale in full back line. Forde has makings of a philly mcmahon to me. Tobin is best midfielder in our senior championship to me and if Sean Kavanagh can play midfield, then so can G Reilly.
1. Geraghty (Na Fianna)/ Dalton (Blackhall)
2. Dalton (Summerhill)
3. Lenihan (Skyne)
4. Forde (O'Mahonys)
5. Keoghan (Rathkenny)
6. Conlon (Simonstown)
7. Harnan (Moynalvey)
8. Tobin (Blackhall)
9. Reilly (Colmcilles)
10. Larkin (Summerhill)
11. Newman (Kilmainham)
12. Lowndes (Dunboyne)
13. O Sullivan (Moynalvey)
14. McKeever (Simonstown)
15. Lenihan (Dunboyne)
Impact Subs
O'Neil (Wolfe Tones)
O'Rourke (Skryne)
McEntee (Curraha)
Mattimoe (Kells)
Finn (Dunboyne)
F Ward (Wolfe Tones)
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 06/02/2017 13:03:25
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Replying To Crinigan: "This is what the Meath team should be in my opinion, v mobile and athletic team that can defend in large numbers and break at pace with 3/4 good point scorers in attack and runners from deep well able to kick a score. Keoghan for me is wasted in full back line and is brilliant under breaking ball. He's also looking a bit stale in full back line. Forde has makings of a philly mcmahon to me. Tobin is best midfielder in our senior championship to me and if Sean Kavanagh can play midfield, then so can G Reilly.
1. Geraghty (Na Fianna)/ Dalton (Blackhall)
2. Dalton (Summerhill)
3. Lenihan (Skyne)
4. Forde (O'Mahonys)
5. Keoghan (Rathkenny)
6. Conlon (Simonstown)
7. Harnan (Moynalvey)
8. Tobin (Blackhall)
9. Reilly (Colmcilles)
10. Larkin (Summerhill)
11. Newman (Kilmainham)
12. Lowndes (Dunboyne)
13. O Sullivan (Moynalvey)
14. McKeever (Simonstown)
15. Lenihan (Dunboyne)
Impact Subs
O'Neil (Wolfe Tones)
O'Rourke (Skryne)
McEntee (Curraha)
Mattimoe (Kells)
Finn (Dunboyne)
F Ward (Wolfe Tones)" I have seen it all now.
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Replying To Crinigan: "This is what the Meath team should be in my opinion, v mobile and athletic team that can defend in large numbers and break at pace with 3/4 good point scorers in attack and runners from deep well able to kick a score. Keoghan for me is wasted in full back line and is brilliant under breaking ball. He's also looking a bit stale in full back line. Forde has makings of a philly mcmahon to me. Tobin is best midfielder in our senior championship to me and if Sean Kavanagh can play midfield, then so can G Reilly.
1. Geraghty (Na Fianna)/ Dalton (Blackhall)
2. Dalton (Summerhill)
3. Lenihan (Skyne)
4. Forde (O'Mahonys)
5. Keoghan (Rathkenny)
6. Conlon (Simonstown)
7. Harnan (Moynalvey)
8. Tobin (Blackhall)
9. Reilly (Colmcilles)
10. Larkin (Summerhill)
11. Newman (Kilmainham)
12. Lowndes (Dunboyne)
13. O Sullivan (Moynalvey)
14. McKeever (Simonstown)
15. Lenihan (Dunboyne)
Impact Subs
O'Neil (Wolfe Tones)
O'Rourke (Skryne)
McEntee (Curraha)
Mattimoe (Kells)
Finn (Dunboyne)
F Ward (Wolfe Tones)" my god that's an awful team
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Replying To bert09: "Mentons best season for Meath was under MOD in 2014 when he played wing back. This is his best position.
My half backs would be forde - Harnan - menton
Midfield is very weak for us. I cannot believe we continue to big toe the ball to midfielders. It's just madness." I agree with that half back line, where is Harnan by the way?
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 06/02/2017 13:27:54
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Replying To Crinigan: "This is what the Meath team should be in my opinion, v mobile and athletic team that can defend in large numbers and break at pace with 3/4 good point scorers in attack and runners from deep well able to kick a score. Keoghan for me is wasted in full back line and is brilliant under breaking ball. He's also looking a bit stale in full back line. Forde has makings of a philly mcmahon to me. Tobin is best midfielder in our senior championship to me and if Sean Kavanagh can play midfield, then so can G Reilly.
1. Geraghty (Na Fianna)/ Dalton (Blackhall)
2. Dalton (Summerhill)
3. Lenihan (Skyne)
4. Forde (O'Mahonys)
5. Keoghan (Rathkenny)
6. Conlon (Simonstown)
7. Harnan (Moynalvey)
8. Tobin (Blackhall)
9. Reilly (Colmcilles)
10. Larkin (Summerhill)
11. Newman (Kilmainham)
12. Lowndes (Dunboyne)
13. O Sullivan (Moynalvey)
14. McKeever (Simonstown)
15. Lenihan (Dunboyne)
Impact Subs
O'Neil (Wolfe Tones)
O'Rourke (Skryne)
McEntee (Curraha)
Mattimoe (Kells)
Finn (Dunboyne)
F Ward (Wolfe Tones)" Where to start
7 lads not involved with the panel
Forde being our philly McMahon... you do know Philly as well able to defend
Tobin midfield.. repeated calls yet no manager has seen fit to put him there despite being on the panel under banty, MOD and now McEntee
O'Sullivan.. our best guy to run from deep in corner forward
Larkin and Lowndes wing forward... neither great scorers which is whats needed from your wing forwards, they need to be chipping in 4-6 point per game between them
Look I'm all for trying something and admire you're willing to make what you see as sensible decisions but a degree of realism is needed.
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7 lads not involved with the panel
Forde being our philly McMahon... you do know Philly as well able to defend
Tobin midfield.. repeated calls yet no manager has seen fit to put him there despite being on the panel under banty, MOD and now McEntee
O'Sullivan.. our best guy to run from deep in corner forward
Larkin and Lowndes wing forward... neither great scorers which is whats needed from your wing forwards, they need to be chipping in 4-6 point per game between them
Look I'm all for trying something and admire you're willing to make what you see as sensible decisions but a degree of realism is needed." O Sullivan is obviously out the field, what team plays 3 in ff line.
As someone who plays currently in senior champ, these 20 players are the best footballers in Meath lads by a long shot.
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Replying To Crinigan: "This is what the Meath team should be in my opinion, v mobile and athletic team that can defend in large numbers and break at pace with 3/4 good point scorers in attack and runners from deep well able to kick a score. Keoghan for me is wasted in full back line and is brilliant under breaking ball. He's also looking a bit stale in full back line. Forde has makings of a philly mcmahon to me. Tobin is best midfielder in our senior championship to me and if Sean Kavanagh can play midfield, then so can G Reilly.
1. Geraghty (Na Fianna)/ Dalton (Blackhall)
2. Dalton (Summerhill)
3. Lenihan (Skyne)
4. Forde (O'Mahonys)
5. Keoghan (Rathkenny)
6. Conlon (Simonstown)
7. Harnan (Moynalvey)
8. Tobin (Blackhall)
9. Reilly (Colmcilles)
10. Larkin (Summerhill)
11. Newman (Kilmainham)
12. Lowndes (Dunboyne)
13. O Sullivan (Moynalvey)
14. McKeever (Simonstown)
15. Lenihan (Dunboyne)
Impact Subs
O'Neil (Wolfe Tones)
O'Rourke (Skryne)
McEntee (Curraha)
Mattimoe (Kells)
Finn (Dunboyne)
F Ward (Wolfe Tones)" My god that is an atrocious looking team..where to start
srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 06/02/2017 14:19:47
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Replying To subzero: "Some posters on here complaining about the midfield. In my opinion Cian O Brien is too light for midfield and Bryan Menton is not a midfielder (rarely plays there for his club even). Also Menton is probably our best defender after Keoghan and we had some pretty poor defenders yesterday. Any alternatives for midfield apart from Adam Flanagan who came on at half time yesterday ?" Alternatives in midfield James toher and Stuart lowndes is all I can think of, our biggest problem area by far, such a pity that Gillespie had to retire so young, and also that Rooney is unavailable for the year
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1. Paddy O'Rourke
2. Donal keoghan
3. Bryan Menton
4. Donnacha Tobin
5. James Mcentee
6. Cathal Finn
7. Alan Forde
8. James Toher
9. Adam Flanagan
10. Cillian O'Sullivan
11. Graham Reilly
12. Eamon Wallace
13. Bryan McMahon
14. Mickey Newman
15. Donal lenihan
This would be my preferred team, obviously a few of the players I mentioned are currently injured so its unrealistic for the next few weeks, eyebrows maybe raised with james toher starting but I think he has a fantastic engine for midfield and he is a brilliant left footed free taking option, something we havnt had in quiet some time. Cathal Finn has been brilliant for dunboyne playing center back the last few years , don't think McGill is up to standard full back so I'd try Menton there
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