who's gone to america from Westmeath. not sure why we are favourites for this one. Westmeath played in Div1 while we were in div 3. and we are coming off the back of a dreadful performance, with 4 first choice players unavailable due to suspensions and travelling.
Hopefully a few players , notably Gmac will have gained in fitness during the past few weeks. I would like to see Argue paired at midfield with Gearoid and I would like Philly Tinnelly to be play as half-back with Paul O' Connor up front in Martin Dunne's absence.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 23/06/2014 11:02:11    1607518

Would have to agree with the above comment.
Westmeath will be no pushover.
I live in Mullingar and the feeling here is not great with regard to their chances.
9/4 on for Cavan a bit ridiculous.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 23/06/2014 14:35:17    1607713

The players Westmeath are losing aren't key players, 5 going to the States only 1 made an appearance against Louth as a Sub, another player injured
http://www.hoganstand.com/Westmeath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218640

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 23/06/2014 14:49:32    1607726

3pm throw in

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 23/06/2014 16:53:09    1607863

Not sure about this either Westmeath have been playing at a way higher standard all year and us without the services of Killian Clarke, Mcvetty, Fergal Flanagan and Dunne. Word is that Mackey will play no part either. If this is the case it was very foolish to bring him on the last day and do himself more damage.

BootIt (Cavan) - Posts: 136 - 23/06/2014 17:20:01    1607890

This will test Terry's faith in the squad but I would be as concerned as the previous poster!
Where are the scores going to come from.
I'll be happy if I'm proved wrong!!

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 23/06/2014 20:48:01    1608018

Have heard a lot of negative talk from people about Terry Hyland recently, that he should go if Cavan lose on Saturday, and that he isn't good tactically and doesn't pick the right team. Personally I think this is ridiculous. Maybe what I have heard is not a reflection of the overall view out there, but I think Terry H has done a superb job and deserves another two or three years at least. It would be complete madness to try to get rid of him after the progress that has been made. Opinions?

declando (Cavan) - Posts: 38 - 24/06/2014 09:33:44    1608077

Would have to agree with the above poster.
Terry under pressure at the moment and defeat on Saturday won't help matters.
The old saying, " eaten bread is soon forgotten" applies here.
Westmeath are no bad team and we will want to take them seriously.
All the departures haven't helped things.
Let's not make any hasty decisions.
Hope the squad are as good as they keep saying.
It's a case of wait and see.
We'll probably be in better position to make a realistic comment after Saturday.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 24/06/2014 11:06:20    1608150

Have heard a lot of negative talk from people about Terry Hyland recently, that he should go if Cavan lose on Saturday, and that he isn't good tactically and doesn't pick the right team. Personally I think this is ridiculous. Maybe what I have heard is not a reflection of the overall view out there, but I think Terry H has done a superb job and deserves another two or three years at least. It would be complete madness to try to get rid of him after the progress that has been made. Opinions?


Superb progress??? we struggled against fermanagh and london last year, had a good game against derry and collapsed against roscommon in the league final when it mattered. I wouldnt call that a suberb run. what team of signicance did we play last year. monaghan and kerry?

sammaguire1 (Cavan) - Posts: 279 - 24/06/2014 12:21:05    1608210

If we do beat Westmeath then our next opponents will be one from the following list:

Clare,Roscommon,(Kildare/Meath)/Armagh/Monaghan),

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/06/2014 14:36:33    1608305

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If we do beat Westmeath then our next opponents will be one from the following list:

Clare,Roscommon,(Kildare/Meath)/Armagh/Monaghan),

Add sligo, tipperary (dublin/wexford) antrim as well ... all the beaten semi finalists ... then in round 3 the winners of the round 2 games play each other and the winners play the final losers - clear as mud !

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 24/06/2014 15:04:54    1608322

Cavan beat Louth wellin a very 'robust' 'friendly' last saturday scoring 5-10 and should beat Westmeath easily on saturday by 6+

kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 24/06/2014 15:53:30    1608354

Where was that game played kickfada please?
Any idea of the team, scorers or who played well.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/06/2014 19:47:09    1608479

As regards the management, no, they absolutely deserve to see out the remainder of their agreement. This is their penultimate year in charge I believe? They deserve another 12 months regardless of the result Saturday. Westmeath have some handy footballers, and for the life of me I do not understand the odds for this game, we are clear favourites but I fail to see why given the performances in the last 2 matches.

Hyland has brought some degree of life back into Cavan football. The underage success is a welcome boost, but it is important that we sustain that development and translate it into senior. If that fails to come to fruition we won't be the first county to enjoy underage success and never progress at senior. I think that whole future is blue thing does us no favours. Underage success guarantees nothing.

Anyway, Saturday will tell us everything we fans need to know. But please for the love of Cavan football can we ditch this robot football?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 24/06/2014 20:43:27    1608558

I think question marks should be asked from management about team performances, ive no doubth come Saturday we will see a different style and tactic of football from the team,, but should it really have taking a div 3 final and first round of the championship defeat to highlight what spectators could see going to games ,that would be my main concern. the other would be player choice and player position. I think they will get it right Saturday and we will have a comfortable win over Westmeath .

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 24/06/2014 21:48:47    1608621

I'm not expecting a huge change in strategy. In fact, there wasn't much wrong with the actual tactics for the Armagh game, IF they had delivered the ball from the defence to the front men quicker. Two competent big men up front will unnerve most full back lines and if the ball arrives before the defensive cover, then there's no reason why that wouldn't succeed as a forward ploy. Armagh did it themselves with great success for years.

What I'd like to see is some fairness in the selection, not the same underperforming favourites. I'd also like to see the team that is announced, actually start. We look very foolish with our cloak and dagger approach. It's not like we manage to spring a major surprise on the opposition that forces them to some last minute adjustments to their team. Why bother? If the management know that a lad is actually going to start the game, then give him a starting shirt to remember the occasion by and to let him be in the match day program as a momento. They work hard enough for such a small privilege.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 460 - 25/06/2014 09:07:42    1608653

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I'm not expecting a huge change in strategy. In fact, there wasn't much wrong with the actual tactics for the Armagh game, IF they had delivered the ball from the defence to the front men quicker. Two competent big men up front will unnerve most full back lines and if the ball arrives before the defensive cover, then there's no reason why that wouldn't succeed as a forward ploy. Armagh did it themselves with great success for years.

What I'd like to see is some fairness in the selection, not the same underperforming favourites. I'd also like to see the team that is announced, actually start. We look very foolish with our cloak and dagger approach. It's not like we manage to spring a major surprise on the opposition that forces them to some last minute adjustments to their team. Why bother? If the management know that a lad is actually going to start the game, then give him a starting shirt to remember the occasion by and to let him be in the match day program as a momento. They work hard enough for such a small privilege.


Maybe you could explain the tactics that were used against Armagh and explain how the same tactics would work on Saturday?
In all my born days ive never heard such rubbish about giving a lad a starting shirt so he can keep the programme as a momento!!!
What planet are you actually on coming out with such nonsense.
It reminds me of the team Manager who dropped the corner forward for the final and said" JOHNNY IF I COULD PLAY 16 MEN I WOULD!!

dirtybag (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 25/06/2014 12:49:21    1608838

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In all my born days ive never heard such rubbish about giving a lad a starting shirt so he can keep the programme as a momento!!!
What planet are you actually on coming out with such nonsense.
It reminds me of the team Manager who dropped the corner forward for the final and said" JOHNNY IF I COULD PLAY 16 MEN I WOULD!!

why would it remind you of that.. they are two completely different situations. absolutely no correlation between one and the other.

ondforty does have a point. if in years to come you are looking at a program from a game played in 2014 and want to see who started then you can't trust that program and the player who wasn't named on the program will not be able to say to his grandchildren .. "look there's me at number 4" .

pick the team a few days before and stick with it regardless of injuries,deaths etc.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 25/06/2014 14:39:51    1608917

Dirtbag,

If you actually read my post properly you might have grasped my view, just my view, that the strategy devised for the Armagh game did not get a fair airing because the delivery of the ball in was so slow. I believe that two on two, Givney and Keating would have prospered and we would now be preparing to face Monaghan instead of Westmeath.

The bit about the selection, well that seems to have gone right over your head. Thanks for jumping in S Goldrick.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 460 - 25/06/2014 15:42:14    1608977

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Add sligo, tipperary (dublin/wexford) antrim as well ... all the beaten semi finalists ... then in round 3 the winners of the round 2 games play each other and the winners play the final losers - clear as mud !

No. that is not true. we can't meat Sligo,Antrim,tipp or wexford in round 2. they are in the "A" side.
We can only meet , Clare,Roscommon,the loser of Monaghan/Armagh, the loser of Meath/Kildare

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 25/06/2014 16:58:33    1609041