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Non-Gaa Forum - 5 Like(s)
Replying To cluichethar: "This is a question for both sides on here about immigration.
What would be an acceptable immigration percentage be every year?
Or do you have an acceptable number in mind?" The number is unimportant. My own view is it needs to benefit us in the manner it does Australia and Canada. They important the skills they need. No more no less.
We need healthcare and construction workers so we should recruit them from abroad.
We do not need more social welfare recipients or criminals. We are well able to produce them ourselves.
Doylerwex (National) - 14/10/2025 22:38:21
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Non-Gaa Forum - 5 Like(s)
Replying To Freethinker: "Plenty of stats on here, it must be said. That query re "vetting" is interesting. It's one that's used quite regularly by people of a particular political persuasion. A question. How many Irish single males over the age of 18 are "vetted" ??" Why would they be? They're citizens? They commit crimes too, and I'm in favour of much tougher sentencing but that's a separate issue that has zero to do with immigration.
Doylerwex (National) - 14/10/2025 22:33:39
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Non-Gaa Forum - 4 Like(s)
Replying To Freethinker: "Plenty of stats on here, it must be said. That query re "vetting" is interesting. It's one that's used quite regularly by people of a particular political persuasion. A question. How many Irish single males over the age of 18 are "vetted" ??" A quarter of the population is born outside of the state. That is a completely unnatural and disastrous situation for any nation. Vetting or not vetting is a minor consideration.
PS. If Irish males are allowed into the main countries where tens of thousands end up you can be assured they are vetted. Try landing in JFK or Sydney with no passport or plane ticket...
BarneyGrant (National) - 14/10/2025 22:22:24
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Non-Gaa Forum - 4 Like(s)
Replying To cluichethar: "This is a question for both sides on here about immigration.
What would be an acceptable immigration percentage be every year?
Or do you have an acceptable number in mind?" I really don't know a number or percentage but would really like if all were properly vetted and respected Ireland's laws and traditions. Also take care of the native Irish first and foremost before bringing in others.
SouthGalway (National) - 14/10/2025 18:56:41
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Non-Gaa Forum - 3 Like(s)
Replying To SouthGalway: "You seem sad that the war has stopped over there. Hostages released. Most people seem happy about it. Even Hillary Clinton praised it and she's hardly MAGA. Maybe it's you that is confused." Oh look another MAGA bot from Galway. I'm delighted there is a ceasefire. If you think the war against the people of Gaza is over your very naive. The fact is this "peace plan" is basically the same one that was offered by Biden a year ago. Trump and the US and indeed abide by before him could have pulled the rug from under Israel months ago and saved 1000s of lives but as has been proven since, the US is ran by Israel.
America first? You're having a laugh.
yew_tree (National) - 14/10/2025 17:02:38
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Non-Gaa Forum - 3 Like(s)
The back slapping, laughing and smirking by the Israeli parliament and the speech by Trump was grotesque. Boasting about all the military hardware he sent them.
No mention of the 1000s of innocent children murdered. The doctors and nurses blown up.
The only amusing thing is the confused MAGA fans on social media confused at the Israel first policy.
yew_tree (National) - 14/10/2025 14:11:39
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Non-Gaa Forum - 3 Like(s)
Replying To Freethinker: "Plenty of stats on here, it must be said. That query re "vetting" is interesting. It's one that's used quite regularly by people of a particular political persuasion. A question. How many Irish single males over the age of 18 are "vetted" ??" If you have a better word then let's hear it. I mean wouldn't you want to know who is walking in your front door? Just because you say yes doesn't make you a monster. What is so terrible about knowing who is coming in to your house or country?
SouthGalway (National) - 14/10/2025 20:43:28
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Non-Gaa Forum - 3 Like(s)
Replying To zinny: "It doesn't offend me but I think you have let yourself down with this one.
Migrants globally could be broken down into two categories, Economic and those fleeing war and persecution. Those who are economic migrants while claiming to be the latter as a stain on the process and are making it harder globally for those who genuinely need help. I guess there is a third which are in the shadows and that is the slave/sex market which a bit like drugs wouldn't exist if the punter didn't but as with drugs the users seem very quick to absolve themselves of any blame for the problem.
In Ireland the facts speak for themselves and the vast majority of the migrants here are economic migrants, asylum seekers accounted for in 2023 less then 5% of all applications for entry into Ireland. Why do economic migrants chose to come to Ireland - all legally - its because they see opportunities in Ireland. However in your point 2, you do not trust these people. That is despite the fact that annually thousands of Irish people leave this country as economic migrants and head to other countries - what you are saying is that these Irish people should not be trusted in these countries. So you don't trust economic migrants even though they are essential to the workplace.
In your third point you have allowed yourself to slip into the right and I would say racist way of thinking. There seems to be an train of though that cultural assimilation should happen at the border and that a migrants should throw off their family's culture immediately and head off down to the pub for a few pints of Guinness. Yet when Irish people go abroad they are allowed wear their cultural badge with pride. Gaelic Games, the language, dancing etc. all celebrated around the world in places where the Irish as a speck of dust in comparison to the local culture - why is it that someone who comes to Ireland should suddenly need to forget their culture, language and religion because they are a minority? Some will integrate faster than others, some may never integrate but thats their choice. Your paragraph three is exactly what was used by Natzies to persecute the Jews - they are not one of us, they are different, they have a different religion,. In case you are thinking you are only referring to new arrivals, there have been Muslim and Jewish people in Ireland long before this recent wave of migration so where will people stop, is it just the new people that should give up their religion or should all the minorities do it.
So in 2023 if less than 5% of all the applications to enter the country were for asylum seekers why is there such a big deal being made about it - the answer to that is simple - they do not look like us. That makes them an easy target and once they have become the target all people who do not look like us become the target.
Just one final thought, it is not the fault of those people fleeing persecution that there is a housing crises in Ireland. Ireland was never a colonizer, it never started a war or influenced regime change so why do we have to burden ourselves with the results caused by others, I guess the answer to that depends on what each individual sees as the values they themselves believe in." I've no problem whatsoever with immigration in general Zinny. I am an immigrant. I came here fleeing the tyranny of Margaret Thatcher in the late 1980s ;-)
The main slight problem I have with economic migrants is that in general many of them send some or alot of the money they earn out of the country. The other is that people not here for the long haul generally don't contribute much else other than tax to society. They tend not to get volunteerism, involvement in community etc. The last issue Id see is that they can't be that smart if they think the streets are paved with gold here, most of the wealth is concentrated in a minute percentage of the populations hands. Which wouldn't be too hard to find out in advance.
Your last point is a little laughable insofar as I suspect I don't look like you. My point is nothing about looks/colour, nor really wholly about religion, but moreso about culture. Or as some/many might say around our village, culture boss, but that's a whole other debate when it comes to minorities and their treatment, deserved or otherwise. I don't believe that a lad needs to embrace the culture here on arrival, but surely to God if he could Google the relative wealth of countries he could also find out if the culture here is something he feels he could embrace or be a part of in the future.
Using your example, how do you think the government in Tehran, or Hammas in Gaza, or any other Muslim government, would react to a bunch of us going over there and demanding the right to open bars selling Guinness?
Viking66 (National) - 14/10/2025 13:14:08
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Westmeath Football thread - 3 Like(s)
This caulry super team were so concerned with the all Ireland club championship that they took their eye off the ball and didn't realise they'd need to win the Westmeath championship first. There's always next year anyways, Make Mount Temple Great Again.
Midlandsman (National) - 14/10/2025 18:26:56
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Non-Gaa Forum - 3 Like(s)
Replying To slayer: "I disagree Zinny. I thought Viking66 got it pretty spot on. Perhaps it is you who has let yourself down by adding the 'racist' part to your post? You also did this by adding the word 'right' in close proximity. To your credit you don't say 'far right'.
But again you are taking us back to the point where asking questions is deemed racist and I do not think that is fair. Suggesting people who don't look like us are the reasons people on the right ask questions is bizarre and in my opinion very lazy thinking.
As for going the Nazi route - when anyone invokes that, I think they've lost the argument." I agree with you but I see the point zinny is making too. It's extremely easy to scapegoat "the foreigners" when our own ruling class have created or contributed to the social issues we're facing.
My original point was about having a reasonable conversation about immigration. It has already descended into accusations of racism.
Doylerwex (National) - 14/10/2025 11:03:00
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Westmeath Football thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Fighting-Cocks69: "Definitely - Kinnegad dethroned the All-mighty Mount Temple side and should now be regarded as clear favourites." Its hard to find fault with this logic. Any team who put the mighty Caulry to the sword deserves serious respect. Its no wonder they beat St Lomans. Their confidence must be sky high right now.
Meridian (National) - 14/10/2025 16:37:22
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Bib: "Every player would want to play semifinals and finals in athenry, I have yet to speak to anyone that would prefer to play in PS , Athenry is the best surface by a mile and generates the best atmosphere for players, PS has better facilities and is better for supporters with toilets seating etc , so it's hard to please everyone I suppose , at some stage wouldn't it be great if someone had the courage to sell PS and combine all ingredients into a decent venue that caters for players and supporters alike" I was showing the posts on this topic last night to my uncle, to get his feeling about it, he concluded that the nearest such arguments he'd ever come across were the talk generated by the merits of the street fair and the mart back in the 60's.He will be in Pearse Stadium on Saturday evening as he knows that he will have a seat but the chances of same in Kenny Park are practically none.He says that you will always have a very vocal element oppose progress just to block change.
backtooldwall (National) - 14/10/2025 17:28:53
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Non-Gaa Forum - 2 Like(s)
Replying To zinny: "Is the flag not one of reconciliation and peace? Flying the flag is not racist but racists flying the flag is abhorrent to everything the flag represents. For that matter so to the use of the Flag by the Provos. I guess Meagher may have believe one day it would represent a united country in peace however why it was used in 1916 and subsequently adopted by the Free State is a mystery as it was pretty clear by then the symbolism would not make any inroads with the orange side. Perhaps it shows how little the leaders at the time understood what the attitudes of the orange side really were.
Generally Irish people care little about the flag or the anthem. How many times world over have we seen drawings, pictures, writing on the flag and how many times do we get to hear the anthem respected to the end at GAA games. No a word said about it." Live over seas and see how proud we are of our flag and anthem. 40 years gone and still love seeing our flag and hearing our anthem.
cluichethar (National) - 14/10/2025 17:43:49
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Mayo GAA Thread - 2 Like(s)
Ah bless, Mayo are learning what its like to lose players to other sports
Football's been the only show in town and Mayo have taken advantage (or haven't, depending on your perspective) of that for long enough
PressureKick (National) - 14/10/2025 11:39:05
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Westmeath Football thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To iarmhiabu: "I have no connection to any of the Senior teams, it's not nonsense. In The Downs, greatness isn't an ambition - it's tradition. The County Final is a stepping stone, not the destination. When you have a driving force in Luke Loughlin, he understands the culture there, he has a winning mentality. He has the mentality that he's going to keep trying to get better. He is what David Clifford is to Kerry. I don't see any problem with setting goals to win a Leinster title, when they are tearing the County asunder at the moment. 9 points is their average winning margin for God's sake. I highly doubt there is any team in Leinster riding as high as The Downs. Kinnegad will come up with a plan, but they will be ate alive by The Downs again." You're getting more than carried away but the Kinnegad lads will love your carry on. The Downs have one senior championship in last 20 years and three championships in the past 45 years so not sure if that's the definition of greatness, if they win 2 or 3 in a row like Loman's or Garrycastle or Tyrrellspass in the last 25 years then you're close to a great side
Claretandblue (National) - 14/10/2025 11:35:32
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Non-Gaa Forum - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Commodore: "Well said, the population here or anywhere else is not binary left or right. A large portion of people are usually Centrist, with varying left (Progressive) or right (Conservative) leaning views, which usually depends on their own personal circumstances and upbringing.
The Center position has been eroded away as position, I'm not sure if this is because of weak leadership by Center left or Center right parties, specifically with a constant failure to act or key concerns of the wider public." Centrist politics has been eroded for a good few reasons but one of the main ones I think has to be that the centrists chose the financial institutions over the people after the 2008 financial crash and imposed brutal austerity measures while bailing out those responsible for the collapse. I know it's a while ago and people will say sure we bounced back brilliantly but we are still feeling the fall out from that. Whether it be the housing disaster, the Gards as a police force being hollowed out, the continued decline of rural areas, USC and other levies from the working people paying off the bail out, and numerous publci services that were cut resulting in a lot of people falling through the cracks during those years. A lot of those disenfranchised the most are now very suceptible to ring wing ideology. It was also centrist parties that oversaw the ramshackle immigration system, which probably wouldn't be such a hot topic if housing wasn't such a mess. Ireland has been going through the equivalent of an oil boom with the multinational tax receipts but the ordinary person feels like they are being squeezed to death while at the same time being told we are one of the most prosperous countries in the world.
FullOfPorter (National) - 14/10/2025 19:15:52
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Donegal GAA thread - 2 Like(s)
Jim McGuinness could do a lot worse than bring Martin Regan into the Donegal management team. He regularly makes the big calls during games when it matters, something Donegal could surely benefit from. His record proves he's a top class manager, better than a lot of big name ex-players currently in big jobs with little or no coaching experience. He's been successful with old rules and new rules.
greenfan (National) - 14/10/2025 15:04:51
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Non-Gaa Forum - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Freethinker: "Plenty of stats on here, it must be said. That query re "vetting" is interesting. It's one that's used quite regularly by people of a particular political persuasion. A question. How many Irish single males over the age of 18 are "vetted" ??" The best vetting of all comes from living in a locality where you are trusted, because of your actions & mannerisms.
Age, skin colour, nationality don't matter.
slayer (National) - 14/10/2025 20:29:55
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To batitout: "and Barna/Furbo and Salthill/Knocknacarra and Rahoon/Newcastle and Liam Mellows and Castlegar.
I suppose we will never agree, so be it." People from Renmore/Castlegar would make Athenry before Pearse Stadium on match day.
TanCanRan (National) - 14/10/2025 10:06:41
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Mayo GAA Thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To jm25: "Where is Andy Moran form?" These constant Andy Moran jibes are real childish
eoinog (National) - 14/10/2025 21:11:23
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