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The original point is valid though. I mean we cant have the excuses going every way. If the funding is based on population then Antrim should be getting much more funding end of. But then the argument is turned on its head and its per clubs and registered players etc which makes Dublin funding even more unfair. If someone points out the unfairness of the Dublin funding per registered player then its back to the population argument. And round and round we go while the powers that be refuse to deal with the issue at hand in the hope that it just goes away. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1349 - 27/09/2019 11:14:46 2239590 Link
Replying To tearintom: "The original point is valid though. I mean we cant have the excuses going every way. If the funding is based on population then Antrim should be getting much more funding end of. But then the argument is turned on its head and its per clubs and registered players etc which makes Dublin funding even more unfair. If someone points out the unfairness of the Dublin funding per registered player then its back to the population argument. And round and round we go while the powers that be refuse to deal with the issue at hand in the hope that it just goes away." Antrim are getting more now, as is East Leinster. It probably is long overdue. It's where it should be going in my book. The GAA can't turn back time though and county boards weren't going after these sorts of projects until after it's shown to be successful. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 27/09/2019 11:40:20 2239597 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Antrim are getting more now, as is East Leinster. It probably is long overdue. It's where it should be going in my book. The GAA can't turn back time though and county boards weren't going after these sorts of projects until after it's shown to be successful." No but they can try and rebalance their errors. Dublin received 12 years of being grossly over funded be the rest. Now they are still over funded just not as bad. In light of this why can't the GAA over fund the rest vs Dublin for the next 12 years to try and bring balance? Imo antrim should be receiving 800k a year. Half for football, half for hurling. If it's a major success and antrim because a hurling and football power in 15 years, your sponsorship deals with increase big time making you more self sustainable. At this point the GAA can reduce your funding a bit and let your county board cover the difference. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 27/09/2019 12:54:04 2239618 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "No but they can try and rebalance their errors. Dublin received 12 years of being grossly over funded be the rest. Now they are still over funded just not as bad. In light of this why can't the GAA over fund the rest vs Dublin for the next 12 years to try and bring balance? Imo antrim should be receiving 800k a year. Half for football, half for hurling. If it's a major success and antrim because a hurling and football power in 15 years, your sponsorship deals with increase big time making you more self sustainable. At this point the GAA can reduce your funding a bit and let your county board cover the difference." I mean there's the practicalities of them not being able to just sack people. The money is spent on coaches with contracts and livelihoods. Maybe there should be some means testing of the clubs/areas that the money is going to, rather than just 50% being matched by the GAA. Maybe some areas remain at 50% and say some of the large well off South Dublin clubs get reduced down to 20% and the balance is redistributed. I think it has to be phased in. About 15-20% of the spend has already been cut since last year and about 25% from the peak spend. I also think county team spending could be equalized with counties being taxed at 50% on any sponsorship they earn over 1m being redistributed. The GAA also pays prize money on top of team expenses to the best performing counties. I'm not personally against it but it is another way that the imbalance is perpetuating. Galway in 2018 received more than Dublin in Prize Money distributions which is interesting. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 27/09/2019 13:16:43 2239627 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "I mean there's the practicalities of them not being able to just sack people. The money is spent on coaches with contracts and livelihoods. Maybe there should be some means testing of the clubs/areas that the money is going to, rather than just 50% being matched by the GAA. Maybe some areas remain at 50% and say some of the large well off South Dublin clubs get reduced down to 20% and the balance is redistributed. I think it has to be phased in. About 15-20% of the spend has already been cut since last year and about 25% from the peak spend. I also think county team spending could be equalized with counties being taxed at 50% on any sponsorship they earn over 1m being redistributed. The GAA also pays prize money on top of team expenses to the best performing counties. I'm not personally against it but it is another way that the imbalance is perpetuating. Galway in 2018 received more than Dublin in Prize Money distributions which is interesting." The big clubs should be paying for 100% simple as. It doesn't have to mean job losses either. The GAA can offer some of the Dublin based GPO's work in counties like Meath, Louth, Westmeath, Wicklow and Kildare. Surely a little commute outside the pale isn't beyond them? Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 28/09/2019 13:31:55 2239823 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "The big clubs should be paying for 100% simple as. It doesn't have to mean job losses either. The GAA can offer some of the Dublin based GPO's work in counties like Meath, Louth, Westmeath, Wicklow and Kildare. Surely a little commute outside the pale isn't beyond them?" This is surrel, what exactly does a GPO do? Who funds them? You think these are for free? and what exactly do they do? they bring in kids into the GAA via local schools, boys and girls all codes and organise training structures for like children between 5 and 10, that is it!!! So you want to either sack them! move these guys from Dublin clubs to Meath and these Dublin clubs finance them! are you having a Royal laugh? The current structure is for GPO's to be paid 50/50 by clubs in Dublin (except in disadvantaged area's) the remaining 50% is from GAA or what is being proposed (by GAA) is for Dublin GAA to pay the 50% paid by GAA. So no, Dublin GAA/Clubs won't be doing away with their priceless GPO's and surrender their sports to Rugby/Soccer etc nor would they even entertain the ridiculous notion of paying for them to work in other counties, beggars belief. BTW the GPO's have to based on population you can't have a situation where in Dublin a GPO might be trying to cover 5,000/10,000/15,000 and yet the ratio in some counties would be 30 players to a GPO now what use is that going to do? What you want is thousands of immigrants to flood your underpopulated area's then you might qualify for a GPO because there is no need for them in underpopulated areas. BTW GPO's do not deal with adult teams or older Juveniles, they are a means to getting youngsters into the GAA first and foremost. I am afraid you will have to be more creative in finding spare cash from Dublin to fill your lazy/pathetic counties efforts. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 28/09/2019 18:01:17 2239858 Link
Looking at Louth and Sligo, soccer is dominating. I don't see the GAA panicking and do anything about it however. Because we all know they're irrelevant in their eyes. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 29/09/2019 09:36:10 2239959 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Looking at Louth and Sligo, soccer is dominating. I don't see the GAA panicking and do anything about it however. Because we all know they're irrelevant in their eyes." Louth are part of the GAA's East Leinster project. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 29/09/2019 10:55:24 2239978 Link
The Casement Park saga is very sad. Definitely think Belast should have a new stadium. I know its not central geographically for Ulster but I wouldnt mind the extra journey time if it meant a nice new stadium. One way or the other, a decision needs to be made on whether to rebuild Casement Park as Clones is no longer fit for purpose. If Casement Park isn't a runner then the Ulster council need to build a new stadium somewhere else or upgrade Clones. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 29/09/2019 11:46:11 2239996 Link
It might be surprising when looking at a map but there's no real difference in travelling time from the Gaeltacht to West Belfast or Clones, and Belfast would probably be faster door-to-seat on match day. There's also actual public transport to Belfast! Goitse (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 29/09/2019 14:57:28 2240038 Link
Replying To arock: "This is surrel, what exactly does a GPO do? Who funds them? You think these are for free? and what exactly do they do? they bring in kids into the GAA via local schools, boys and girls all codes and organise training structures for like children between 5 and 10, that is it!!! So you want to either sack them! move these guys from Dublin clubs to Meath and these Dublin clubs finance them! are you having a Royal laugh? The current structure is for GPO's to be paid 50/50 by clubs in Dublin (except in disadvantaged area's) the remaining 50% is from GAA or what is being proposed (by GAA) is for Dublin GAA to pay the 50% paid by GAA. So no, Dublin GAA/Clubs won't be doing away with their priceless GPO's and surrender their sports to Rugby/Soccer etc nor would they even entertain the ridiculous notion of paying for them to work in other counties, beggars belief. BTW the GPO's have to based on population you can't have a situation where in Dublin a GPO might be trying to cover 5,000/10,000/15,000 and yet the ratio in some counties would be 30 players to a GPO now what use is that going to do? What you want is thousands of immigrants to flood your underpopulated area's then you might qualify for a GPO because there is no need for them in underpopulated areas. BTW GPO's do not deal with adult teams or older Juveniles, they are a means to getting youngsters into the GAA first and foremost. I am afraid you will have to be more creative in finding spare cash from Dublin to fill your lazy/pathetic counties efforts." Tell us the counties that have a GPO to 30 players ? moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 29/09/2019 15:36:18 2240041 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "The Casement Park saga is very sad. Definitely think Belast should have a new stadium. I know its not central geographically for Ulster but I wouldnt mind the extra journey time if it meant a nice new stadium. One way or the other, a decision needs to be made on whether to rebuild Casement Park as Clones is no longer fit for purpose. If Casement Park isn't a runner then the Ulster council need to build a new stadium somewhere else or upgrade Clones." Yeah - it is sad. Yet I'm not seeing an end to the saga in the foreseeable future. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 29/09/2019 16:39:14 2240049 Link
Replying To Goitse: "It might be surprising when looking at a map but there's no real difference in travelling time from the Gaeltacht to West Belfast or Clones, and Belfast would probably be faster door-to-seat on match day. There's also actual public transport to Belfast!" From what part of Donegal is there public transport to Belfast Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 29/09/2019 18:14:58 2240073 Link
Fair point, Donegalman. There's Gallagher's Bus of course, and changes, but I didn't actually mean exclusively from Donegal, just that there is public transport to Belfast. It's surprising that even now large matchdays in Clones are inaccessible by Public Transport even from Dublin (which obviously isn't the fault of the town or townspeople). Goitse (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 29/09/2019 19:12:02 2240084 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Louth are part of the GAA's East Leinster project. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/1-5m-gaa-funding-boost-for-east-leinster-project-34934104.html" A token gesture. For a county like Louth with the countries 2 biggest towns it should be getting far better investment. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 30/09/2019 03:16:59 2240179 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Antrim are getting more now, as is East Leinster. It probably is long overdue. It's where it should be going in my book. The GAA can't turn back time though and county boards weren't going after these sorts of projects until after it's shown to be successful." Oh you mean the infamous east leinster project? The €1.5m between Meath, Kildare, Wicklow and Louth over 3 years resulting in €125,000 each a year or say 3 games development officers each, 12 in total. So an area with half of Dublins population will get a dozen Games Devlopment Officers yet Dublin have over 60! Never being great at maths but fair enough, seem fair. Especially seeing as those counties apparently have 10,000 more registered players than Dublin do, so again back to my original point which argument is it today, is the funding fair based on registered players or is it the population argument?? But again if its just down to volunteerism why are the GAA even giving these extra funds, sure Dublin just volunteer harder and better than everyone else surely? Im confused at this stage, its nothing to do with money but other counties should be getting more, its fair based on population, actually no its based on registered players, actually no its population, actually no its all down to super family genes and volunteerism?? I think in general the average GAA follower outside the pale is just fed up at their intelligence being insulted at this stage in all honesty. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1349 - 30/09/2019 09:58:42 2240206 Link
Gaelfast is a massive hoodwink. Belfast teams are competing in finals in all codes regularly. Look at the clubs they have St Galls St Johns Rossa St Endas Gorts St Pauls Bredagh St Theresa Sarsfields Ardoyne Lamh Dhearg St Agnes St Brigids and more A lot of them are very strong at county and provincial level christy sting (Derry) - Posts: 262 - 30/09/2019 10:59:18 2240238 Link
Great another thread ruined by anti Dublin crybabies Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 30/09/2019 11:06:48 2240244 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Great another thread ruined by anti Dublin crybabies" Look no further than 2nd poster and all the aliases thereafter. Every thread about finances is either started or hijacked by same poster. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/09/2019 11:27:07 2240249 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "Look no further than 2nd poster and all the aliases thereafter. Every thread about finances is either started or hijacked by same poster." I'm going to keep doing it too because it's the same old rubbish over and over and it's making the site terrible. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 30/09/2019 11:53:41 2240261 Link