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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Does it matter? Is Dublin the only place that promotion of the games should be getting exceptional funding? Your footballers have won 5 in a row now. Name me a better promotion of the games than that?"
There's still kids to be coached in Dublin.

There's still schools and teachers to be supported in Dublin.

There's new children born every year in Dublin.

It's great that Belfast is getting 200k going forward.

I've read up more on Gaelfast, it does appear that the 200k is in addition to what was our existing spend on 3 officers. Looking at the accounts we were already getting 151k in GDF money before Gaelfast, plus our development officers are paid by the Ulster council. It was ridiculous that until now we only had 3 development officers, no wonder the GAA has struggled in Antrim and it is a shame it's taken so long to get there.

There's ongoing work in Dublin.

Everyone talks about the money pumped into Dublin and it's too much.

You only consider GDF money.

Plenty of other money goes to other county boards. Donegal get plenty of GAA funding, for their poster harping on a registered players. When you include all distributions last year Donegal received over 700k to Antrim's 500k from Central funding.

1m in Dublin pays for about half the salaries of 50 coaches, there's an outrageous number of schools and kids in Dublin to provide for. If you want a project to train Dublin based kids in the GAA you just have to spend a lot of money on it because of the sheer weight of numbers. It's an ongoing project and I think 18-20m or so being spent on it is better value than 110m on a new 35k stadium.

Belfast is the closest to Dublin and it's still 1/5 of the size. Regardless of the nice sentiments around the project being cross community we all know that realistically half the community is practically impossible to penetrate. I think it's a great start for Belfast, although it is a long time coming.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 24/09/2019 14:55:49    2238792

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Replying To Whammo86:  "There's still kids to be coached in Dublin.

There's still schools and teachers to be supported in Dublin.

There's new children born every year in Dublin.

It's great that Belfast is getting 200k going forward.

I've read up more on Gaelfast, it does appear that the 200k is in addition to what was our existing spend on 3 officers. Looking at the accounts we were already getting 151k in GDF money before Gaelfast, plus our development officers are paid by the Ulster council. It was ridiculous that until now we only had 3 development officers, no wonder the GAA has struggled in Antrim and it is a shame it's taken so long to get there.

There's ongoing work in Dublin.

Everyone talks about the money pumped into Dublin and it's too much.

You only consider GDF money.

Plenty of other money goes to other county boards. Donegal get plenty of GAA funding, for their poster harping on a registered players. When you include all distributions last year Donegal received over 700k to Antrim's 500k from Central funding.

1m in Dublin pays for about half the salaries of 50 coaches, there's an outrageous number of schools and kids in Dublin to provide for. If you want a project to train Dublin based kids in the GAA you just have to spend a lot of money on it because of the sheer weight of numbers. It's an ongoing project and I think 18-20m or so being spent on it is better value than 110m on a new 35k stadium.

Belfast is the closest to Dublin and it's still 1/5 of the size. Regardless of the nice sentiments around the project being cross community we all know that realistically half the community is practically impossible to penetrate. I think it's a great start for Belfast, although it is a long time coming."
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Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/09/2019 16:53:40    2238825

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Does it matter? Is Dublin the only place that promotion of the games should be getting exceptional funding? Your footballers have won 5 in a row now. Name me a better promotion of the games than that?"
You've missed the point. Read Jack's post again.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/09/2019 18:08:38    2238839

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If there are planning issues at Casement, build a stadium somewhere else.

There's a big area in Stormont not getting a lot of use at the moment.









[only kidding........]

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 24/09/2019 18:58:27    2238859

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Replying To Whammo86:  "There's still kids to be coached in Dublin.

There's still schools and teachers to be supported in Dublin.

There's new children born every year in Dublin.

It's great that Belfast is getting 200k going forward.

I've read up more on Gaelfast, it does appear that the 200k is in addition to what was our existing spend on 3 officers. Looking at the accounts we were already getting 151k in GDF money before Gaelfast, plus our development officers are paid by the Ulster council. It was ridiculous that until now we only had 3 development officers, no wonder the GAA has struggled in Antrim and it is a shame it's taken so long to get there.

There's ongoing work in Dublin.

Everyone talks about the money pumped into Dublin and it's too much.

You only consider GDF money.

Plenty of other money goes to other county boards. Donegal get plenty of GAA funding, for their poster harping on a registered players. When you include all distributions last year Donegal received over 700k to Antrim's 500k from Central funding.

1m in Dublin pays for about half the salaries of 50 coaches, there's an outrageous number of schools and kids in Dublin to provide for. If you want a project to train Dublin based kids in the GAA you just have to spend a lot of money on it because of the sheer weight of numbers. It's an ongoing project and I think 18-20m or so being spent on it is better value than 110m on a new 35k stadium.

Belfast is the closest to Dublin and it's still 1/5 of the size. Regardless of the nice sentiments around the project being cross community we all know that realistically half the community is practically impossible to penetrate. I think it's a great start for Belfast, although it is a long time coming."
Is there no kids to be coached & schools & teachers to be supported anywhere else, your obsession with Dublin is clouding your judgement.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 24/09/2019 20:28:18    2238880

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Replying To Joxer:  "You've missed the point. Read Jack's post again."
Apologies Jox! Misread that one

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 24/09/2019 20:31:29    2238882

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Is there no kids to be coached & schools & teachers to be supported anywhere else, your obsession with Dublin is clouding your judgement."
There's more than anywhere else.

Other counties' kids are being coached by development officers paid for by their Provincial councils.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 24/09/2019 21:04:07    2238898

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Redevelop Casement Park now and have a few All-Ireland Finals there, both codes.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1670 - 24/09/2019 21:07:24    2238900

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Replying To Whammo86:  "There's more than anywhere else.

Other counties' kids are being coached by development officers paid for by their Provincial councils."
What is it like down in Kerry on the same issues?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 25/09/2019 01:26:02    2238953

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Replying To Donegalman:  "What is it like down in Kerry on the same issues?"
What are you talking about?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 25/09/2019 09:37:51    2238981

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Replying To Whammo86:  "What are you talking about?"
You know. Winter well.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 25/09/2019 09:59:06    2238988

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Replying To Donegalman:  "You know. Winter well."
Ha.

He's a pure WUM of the Dubs on here.

I'm fed up with the muck that gets talked about Dublin.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 25/09/2019 11:55:47    2239021

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "Redevelop Casement Park now and have a few All-Ireland Finals there, both codes."
Easier said than done ...........

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 25/09/2019 17:41:42    2239159

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Replying To Whammo86:  "There's more than anywhere else.

Other counties' kids are being coached by development officers paid for by their Provincial councils."
There are more schools and kids outside of dublin then in Dublin. Yet Dublin received a disproportionate amount of funding for the last 15 years giving them an unfair advantage to build for the future. You can't defend it because it wasn't fair.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 26/09/2019 00:31:20    2239260

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Replying To bumpernut:  "Sam I'll let you into a secret.... ULSTER GAA has always been in charge of the project.. arrogance from both them and our County Board were the cause of the initial delay.

There was not a significant increase in capacity, previously casement could have held 25/30000, about 2/3 of that standing, the concrete seating and stand in the remaining third were not fit for purpose, hence the plans to completely revamp, the original plans would have held 38000 seats.

It will still go ahead, however, planning and the bureaucracy around that including the reluctance of senior civil servants to sign off are causing the delay atm. From what im led to believe the issues flagged up by the judge in initial JR re emergency evacuation have been addressed. Those involved from all sides still expect the project to go ahead...when is another question entirely!"
Great news but it's a pity the capacity has been reduced. It should have been a 40k stadium with 3 sides seated and 1 side terraced.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 26/09/2019 00:32:14    2239261

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "There are more schools and kids outside of dublin then in Dublin. Yet Dublin received a disproportionate amount of funding for the last 15 years giving them an unfair advantage to build for the future. You can't defend it because it wasn't fair."
I have often.

You never answer the fact that you only ever consider games development money going directly to counties and forget that outside of Dublin and now Belfast, it's the Provincial councils paying for development officers.

Dublin's spend in that regard comes right back in line once that's considered.

There can be arguments over whether Dublin deserve to be getting money close to being in line with their population numbers, since there's likely to be less take up in Dublin than say Kerry or Donegal.

That's a fair point, it doesn't tend to be the one you mostly make though.

I still disagree with it.

If you want to grow a business you'd want to invest in areas of greater potential growth. You have the demographics in Dublin changing such that the rural to urban migration is seeing a greater number of GAA oriented people living in Dublin.

There's displacement also in strong soccer playing strongholds.

Dublin is only going to be more GAA and those players need to be provided for.

The All Ireland is going to be less competitive but I think that's a less important concern than getting strong numbers out playing our games.

I actually feel that more focus should be made on the club game anyway and the county game scaled back hugely. That conversation is for another day.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 26/09/2019 12:24:36    2239350

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I have often.

You never answer the fact that you only ever consider games development money going directly to counties and forget that outside of Dublin and now Belfast, it's the Provincial councils paying for development officers.

Dublin's spend in that regard comes right back in line once that's considered.

There can be arguments over whether Dublin deserve to be getting money close to being in line with their population numbers, since there's likely to be less take up in Dublin than say Kerry or Donegal.

That's a fair point, it doesn't tend to be the one you mostly make though.

I still disagree with it.

If you want to grow a business you'd want to invest in areas of greater potential growth. You have the demographics in Dublin changing such that the rural to urban migration is seeing a greater number of GAA oriented people living in Dublin.

There's displacement also in strong soccer playing strongholds.

Dublin is only going to be more GAA and those players need to be provided for.

The All Ireland is going to be less competitive but I think that's a less important concern than getting strong numbers out playing our games.

I actually feel that more focus should be made on the club game anyway and the county game scaled back hugely. That conversation is for another day."
The provincial funding doesn't balance it out. Dublin still get a ridiculous proportion and it's only the last 2 or 3 years other counties are getting anything.

Dublin have had this huge funding since 2004. 1.2m a year. Counties like meath have 5 GPO working vs Dublins 50+. And we didn't have 5 since 2004. How is it a level playing field and how can other leinster counties be expected to compete when they get such a pittance.

Dublin with their huge financial resources should be self sustainable. The super clubs can afford to pay for 100% of the funding. Every year dublin's financials show their balance of 7 odd million growing which shows they're making a handsome profit. So why do they need such financial assistance? Counties like Mayo bending over backwards to raise funds to try and keep the show on the road.

Justify it all you want but it only leads to a situation where Dublin win the ladies and men's football every single year.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 26/09/2019 22:57:57    2239516

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I have often.

You never answer the fact that you only ever consider games development money going directly to counties and forget that outside of Dublin and now Belfast, it's the Provincial councils paying for development officers.

Dublin's spend in that regard comes right back in line once that's considered.

There can be arguments over whether Dublin deserve to be getting money close to being in line with their population numbers, since there's likely to be less take up in Dublin than say Kerry or Donegal.

That's a fair point, it doesn't tend to be the one you mostly make though.

I still disagree with it.

If you want to grow a business you'd want to invest in areas of greater potential growth. You have the demographics in Dublin changing such that the rural to urban migration is seeing a greater number of GAA oriented people living in Dublin.

There's displacement also in strong soccer playing strongholds.

Dublin is only going to be more GAA and those players need to be provided for.

The All Ireland is going to be less competitive but I think that's a less important concern than getting strong numbers out playing our games.

I actually feel that more focus should be made on the club game anyway and the county game scaled back hugely. That conversation is for another day."
Excellent post.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 26/09/2019 23:11:56    2239524

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I have often.

You never answer the fact that you only ever consider games development money going directly to counties and forget that outside of Dublin and now Belfast, it's the Provincial councils paying for development officers.

Dublin's spend in that regard comes right back in line once that's considered.

There can be arguments over whether Dublin deserve to be getting money close to being in line with their population numbers, since there's likely to be less take up in Dublin than say Kerry or Donegal.

That's a fair point, it doesn't tend to be the one you mostly make though.

I still disagree with it.

If you want to grow a business you'd want to invest in areas of greater potential growth. You have the demographics in Dublin changing such that the rural to urban migration is seeing a greater number of GAA oriented people living in Dublin.

There's displacement also in strong soccer playing strongholds.

Dublin is only going to be more GAA and those players need to be provided for.

The All Ireland is going to be less competitive but I think that's a less important concern than getting strong numbers out playing our games.

I actually feel that more focus should be made on the club game anyway and the county game scaled back hugely. That conversation is for another day."
So we should be content to see Dublin winning every year so that Gaelic Games are strong in Dublin? The rest of the country should take the pain of their counties and clubs struggling and interest decreasing for the greater good of one heavily populated county? What utter, utter nonsense.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 27/09/2019 01:55:13    2239537

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "So we should be content to see Dublin winning every year so that Gaelic Games are strong in Dublin? The rest of the country should take the pain of their counties and clubs struggling and interest decreasing for the greater good of one heavily populated county? What utter, utter nonsense."
1 thing I really don't see Dublin winning every year but anyway even if that's the case I don't think it should be a major concern of the GAA.

Their mandate is to promote GAA and get as many people playing as possible. It's not to create competitive balance in the inter county senior championship.

By the way the GAA is doing plenty of work all over the country.

https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/tstblikbtwvqfubdiwpe.pdf

The needs of different counties are going to be different to Dublin. They need large numbers of men on the ground working with kids.

There's not the sheer weight of numbers of kids being born outside Dublin and Leinster.

Birth rates in Dublin are in the region of 1/3 of the total of the 26 counties. The rest of Leinster counts for roughly the same.

The future of the GAA is on the east coast and the GAA has to invest in it for its future.

Other counties have other projects being funded that fit their needs for instance the indoor stadium in Connacht.

Dublin got 1.3m of GDF in 2018 of 9.6m. About 15% it just isn't that extortionate to me.

There was also another 5.5m spent on Capital projects, none of which went to Dublin.

All these arguments against the spending project in Dublin are driven by resentfulness and you don't care to look to all the other work the GAA are doing and it ticks me right off.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 27/09/2019 09:48:49    2239567

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