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what would you be thinking if you were David Clarke and Hennelly is getting picked ahead of you.

Absolutely ridiculous stuff

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 24/01/2019 17:39:34    2159326

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I should add Ryan O Donoghue from Belmullet is another promising forward but is currently out injured.

People need to be patient though. Roscommon posters what sort of team will ye have out? Big turnover I'm hearing but first game out and bad weather...this game could be a battle.

Pressure on Mayo to win and improve our dreadful home record of late."
Not a patch on our dreadful NFL and championship record in MacHale park for the last 20 years and only two years ago ye beat us there.

To be honest we are down to the bare bones, lost another three starters to injury in the last two FBD games. Team will start with at least 4 players that never played a Div 1 game before and our bench will be filled with players looking to make their debut. Far from idea but it is what it is and i suppose Mayo are showing us great respect by starting such a strong team.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3757 - 24/01/2019 19:15:07    2159334

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Maybe Mayo should rest Andy for this game so both sets of supporters will enjoy a good game of football.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 24/01/2019 20:11:59    2159341

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Agree on Plunkett and McDonnagh. McCormack is another one I would have included. Hopefully they will see sufficent game time over the league."
McDonagh picked up a knock for UL...

Jasonmcg2_ (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 25/01/2019 00:07:33    2159386

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I do worry that Horan will stick with Hennelly, has never been good enough at this level. Picked for his apparently superior kicking but that has never been proven when given the chance.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 25/01/2019 03:42:09    2159391

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Hennelly tries to hard with the kick-outs, always trying for the difficult one that if it comes off he will look great but hes not consistent with them.
He is a good shot stopper, good reflexes.
I think he will be a good goal keeper but not till hes in his later years and realises that its not about impressing people and simple the better.

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 601 - 25/01/2019 08:59:34    2159398

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Replying To Jasonmcg2_:  "McDonagh picked up a knock for UL..."
He did indeed I forgot that.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 25/01/2019 10:17:41    2159413

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Not a patch on our dreadful NFL and championship record in MacHale park for the last 20 years and only two years ago ye beat us there.

To be honest we are down to the bare bones, lost another three starters to injury in the last two FBD games. Team will start with at least 4 players that never played a Div 1 game before and our bench will be filled with players looking to make their debut. Far from idea but it is what it is and i suppose Mayo are showing us great respect by starting such a strong team."
I know but a team of Mayos experience and ability have a dreadful home record of late. We should be winning most home games. Not making excuses but the MacHale Park surface needs a total rehaul

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 25/01/2019 10:19:24    2159414

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Replying To tommy132:  "Hennelly tries to hard with the kick-outs, always trying for the difficult one that if it comes off he will look great but hes not consistent with them.
He is a good shot stopper, good reflexes.
I think he will be a good goal keeper but not till hes in his later years and realises that its not about impressing people and simple the better."
I think Rob in general is a very good keeper but as we all know any mistake a keeper makes is remembered. This is a fact of life if you want to mind the goals and it takes a lot of character to stand there and do your best while accepting that risk. It'd be fair to say that Rob's misfortunes have all related to high ball into the small square. It's always a judgement call what to do if the opposition player coming in has a defender on him: you can stand your ground and if he doesn't score and it's forgotten 10 seconds later, or do you try to clear him and possibly your own defender out and if he doesn't score it's forgotten 10 seconds later. Do either of these and he scores and the 99% of the other things you did well will be forgotten 10 seconds later, 10 days later and 10 years later!

I hope Rob just plays a blinder on Saturday!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 25/01/2019 10:24:53    2159417

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Replying To Pericles:  "I think Rob in general is a very good keeper but as we all know any mistake a keeper makes is remembered. This is a fact of life if you want to mind the goals and it takes a lot of character to stand there and do your best while accepting that risk. It'd be fair to say that Rob's misfortunes have all related to high ball into the small square. It's always a judgement call what to do if the opposition player coming in has a defender on him: you can stand your ground and if he doesn't score and it's forgotten 10 seconds later, or do you try to clear him and possibly your own defender out and if he doesn't score it's forgotten 10 seconds later. Do either of these and he scores and the 99% of the other things you did well will be forgotten 10 seconds later, 10 days later and 10 years later!

I hope Rob just plays a blinder on Saturday!"
Sorry but the problem is there has been many incidents under a high ball and he just isn't a presence in there. And his kickouts have been hit and miss. I would love for him to do brilliantly and cement his place but he has had plenty of chances.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 25/01/2019 11:38:29    2159431

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Roscommon long long overdue a good performance in Castlebar and after blowing Galway aside in last weeks FBD League final I can see them taking down a Mayo side who are taking things nice and handy no doubt. Stroing team on paper but probably are not putting in the hard yards at training. Ros by 2, 3/1 on an away win is printing money

Wonder how Andy will fare with the away fans this time around

WaitingInTheLongGrass (Roscommon) - Posts: 165 - 25/01/2019 12:28:13    2159451

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Replying To WaitingInTheLongGrass:  "Roscommon long long overdue a good performance in Castlebar and after blowing Galway aside in last weeks FBD League final I can see them taking down a Mayo side who are taking things nice and handy no doubt. Stroing team on paper but probably are not putting in the hard yards at training. Ros by 2, 3/1 on an away win is printing money

Wonder how Andy will fare with the away fans this time around"
they should be longer odds given all the hammerings theyve taken over the past few yrs

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 25/01/2019 13:09:52    2159464

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Replying To WaitingInTheLongGrass:  "Roscommon long long overdue a good performance in Castlebar and after blowing Galway aside in last weeks FBD League final I can see them taking down a Mayo side who are taking things nice and handy no doubt. Stroing team on paper but probably are not putting in the hard yards at training. Ros by 2, 3/1 on an away win is printing money

Wonder how Andy will fare with the away fans this time around"
If you place a €50 euro bet on that you will loose €50 ;)

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 25/01/2019 13:27:48    2159470

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Replying To Pericles:  "I think Rob in general is a very good keeper but as we all know any mistake a keeper makes is remembered. This is a fact of life if you want to mind the goals and it takes a lot of character to stand there and do your best while accepting that risk. It'd be fair to say that Rob's misfortunes have all related to high ball into the small square. It's always a judgement call what to do if the opposition player coming in has a defender on him: you can stand your ground and if he doesn't score and it's forgotten 10 seconds later, or do you try to clear him and possibly your own defender out and if he doesn't score it's forgotten 10 seconds later. Do either of these and he scores and the 99% of the other things you did well will be forgotten 10 seconds later, 10 days later and 10 years later!

I hope Rob just plays a blinder on Saturday!"
That's all true.

But Clarke is still hands-down a better goalkeeper. Even Hennelly's perceived greatest advantage over Clarke, his accuracy from kickouts, has gone awry at crucial times leading to opposition scores (All-Ireland final replay 2016, Galway game earlier that season).

Hard to know how this one will pan out, given Mayo's usual early season sluggishness and Ros's good early season form.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 25/01/2019 14:45:48    2159482

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Sorry but the problem is there has been many incidents under a high ball and he just isn't a presence in there. And his kickouts have been hit and miss. I would love for him to do brilliantly and cement his place but he has had plenty of chances."
I'm not totally disagreeing Flaker, and no player is immune from criticism. I think we all acknowledge that they work hard, but supporters expect results and disappointment is hard to take (especially when we've had so much of it!)... that's sport. It's almost unanimous amongst supporters that Clarke is the best all round keeper we have and I'd go along with that. But the mistakes other players make giving the ball away, which leads to a score, happen frequently enough, but no one remembers the way that they do Brogan's flick in 2013, or Donegal's Durcan kicking the ball straight to Donaghy which ended up being the game. The fiasco in 2016 was the management giving hostages to fortune as much as it was the ball hitting Rob Hennelly in the face and going straight into Paddy Andrew's hands. But we need to give game time to a second keeper and apart from the incidents in those two finals, which got magnified by the occasions, can we really say he makes more errors than a lot of other good keepers (even Cluxton's had the odd clanger and really bad day)? I don' t know Rob personally but I doubt he keeps being given chances because he's a charming bloke... different management regimes have acknowledged his capabilities, so it's not based on sentimentality.

As I said above, Clarke's number 1 for me, but I'm happy Rob's there too on ability and merit.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 25/01/2019 14:50:37    2159483

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Replying To Pericles:  "I'm not totally disagreeing Flaker, and no player is immune from criticism. I think we all acknowledge that they work hard, but supporters expect results and disappointment is hard to take (especially when we've had so much of it!)... that's sport. It's almost unanimous amongst supporters that Clarke is the best all round keeper we have and I'd go along with that. But the mistakes other players make giving the ball away, which leads to a score, happen frequently enough, but no one remembers the way that they do Brogan's flick in 2013, or Donegal's Durcan kicking the ball straight to Donaghy which ended up being the game. The fiasco in 2016 was the management giving hostages to fortune as much as it was the ball hitting Rob Hennelly in the face and going straight into Paddy Andrew's hands. But we need to give game time to a second keeper and apart from the incidents in those two finals, which got magnified by the occasions, can we really say he makes more errors than a lot of other good keepers (even Cluxton's had the odd clanger and really bad day)? I don' t know Rob personally but I doubt he keeps being given chances because he's a charming bloke... different management regimes have acknowledged his capabilities, so it's not based on sentimentality.

As I said above, Clarke's number 1 for me, but I'm happy Rob's there too on ability and merit."
Not trying to have a pop and knock a lad either but I think we are in bother if he gets the nod long term. Not great one on one either.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 25/01/2019 16:01:25    2159503

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Replying To yew_tree:  "If you place a €50 euro bet on that you will loose €50 ;)"
Last time I checked 50 times 3 is 150. Guess maths is not your strong suit but can imagine why considering where ya hail from. Eir sport 2 will show all the glory soon

WaitingInTheLongGrass (Roscommon) - Posts: 165 - 26/01/2019 17:07:34    2159712

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Have to give credit Roscommon management and their local journalists for not taking about all the players they are missing for this Div 1 campaign . Would be one of the most remarkable league results ever if Roscommon can avoid defeat against that established and very experienced Mayo line up tonight.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 26/01/2019 17:52:09    2159724

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Have to give credit Roscommon management and their local journalists for not taking about all the players they are missing for this Div 1 campaign . Would be one of the most remarkable league results ever if Roscommon can avoid defeat against that established and very experienced Mayo line up tonight."
Mayo to win by at least 5,they always beat Roscommon

Dunmore10 (Galway) - Posts: 120 - 26/01/2019 18:27:57    2159731

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Donie Smith needs a good 6 months to think about what we done tonight. Despicable act.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 26/01/2019 19:36:47    2159751

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