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Pairc Ui Chaoimh And Liam Miller

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "No one said that but they are the biggest amateur sporting organisation .......as for bigots I think you will find the GPA called for the game to be played in Pairc uni Chaoimh but it was a well paid professional in Mr Duff who was dishing out insults to volunteers in the GAA, pot and kettle?"
calling people who have acted and behaved like dinosaurs dinosaurs is some massive insult is it?..they deserved and earned every single bit of it...the same people are regularly attacked by a lot of people in the gaa for their carry on which is largely about money

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:14:46    2126471

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Replying To kildare73:  "I think you are missing half the reason for the match. Apart from the charitable aspect, the game is a chance for the people of Cork and his ex teammates to pay tribute to Liam Miller. And for all we know some of the fortune you think he has earned may have been spent on medical expenses. To be honest, if I were the Miller family I would be the one getting tired of it all. As for your fatigue on the subject, nobody is forcing you to read or write about it."
he didnt live up to his potential so i doubt he made massive money to be honest...decent obviously but nothing crazy..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:15:50    2126472

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Replying To kildare73:  "I think you are missing half the reason for the match. Apart from the charitable aspect, the game is a chance for the people of Cork and his ex teammates to pay tribute to Liam Miller. And for all we know some of the fortune you think he has earned may have been spent on medical expenses. To be honest, if I were the Miller family I would be the one getting tired of it all. As for your fatigue on the subject, nobody is forcing you to read or write about it."
''I think you are missing half the reason for the match. Apart from the charitable aspect, the game is a chance for the people of Cork and his ex teammates to pay tribute to Liam Miller.''

Pretty much sums it up for most people i think..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:24:46    2126477

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My last point didnt get beyond moderation so I will try again.

The GAA community are net receivers of money from the taxpayer so the argument of what they do for charity does not fly as moral high ground.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/07/2018 16:29:42    2126480

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Replying To eoinog:  "I am getting very tired of the Liam Miller saga. Sadly the man passed away leaving a wife and kids. To be honest he had a good career in football and with the clubs he played for he should have made a few euro. My point is what about all the other young father's or mother's that died of similar age and similar circumstances but forged a living from working in factories, self employed, civil servant etc etc. There is no big charity football game for them. I have every bit of sympathy for the Millar family but a small bit of perspective is required in this instance."
I have said in a previous post that there are many families with young kids that loose a parent and I commend the people who organize an event to both celebrate their life and offer some financial help. This does not always happen for various reasons. Probably mostly because it usually takes a leader or leaders to pick up the cause.
Going down the road of who deserves it is not a good direction to take this conversation in. You may be be viewed as something else which I an sure you are not. The saga as you called it in this case was made by the GAA with their biases cloaked in a rule that is interpreted,used, and ignored in different ways as seen fit. That is my view. Not anti GAA after a life time of support but willing to call them out when they go off the rails which becoming more frequently lately.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 26/07/2018 16:36:57    2126483

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Its never too late to do the right thing. I'm sure there are behind the scene meetings within Croke Park to thrash out a positive outcome soon and maybe add a top up donation to the fund raiser. The joint statement defused the situation somewhat and bought them a little time to proceed. The GAA are slow to change or respond to an unusual request. In an effort to be democratic or appear to be democratic the are tied up with layers of commitees, rules and procedures. This snail paced progress creates a time vacuum during which they have received a bashing on air, print and social media. They will hopefully release a positive statement soon and avoid this situation dragging through the week end another lashing in the print media.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 26/07/2018 17:06:52    2126487

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Replying To alano12:  "people just need to have thicker skin in my opinion..hes not giving out about volunteers..hes giving out about the people at the top who are happy to let various concerts and gigs in when it suits them..he made the comments very strong because he knew it would apply pressure and get a big reaction...he wasnt too outspoken as a player so its unlike him in fairness.."
Ah look forget the thick skin stuff, life's tough and you need to have thick skin to get through it.

Duff's comments are not becoming of somebody who is supposed to be taking part in the event, a bit more tact wouldn't go astray. Again I say this as someone who has been critical of the way the Gaa has handled this and I do undersand his frustration.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 26/07/2018 17:27:53    2126492

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Replying To Htaem:  "Ah look forget the thick skin stuff, life's tough and you need to have thick skin to get through it.

Duff's comments are not becoming of somebody who is supposed to be taking part in the event, a bit more tact wouldn't go astray. Again I say this as someone who has been critical of the way the Gaa has handled this and I do undersand his frustration."
Is this the Duff lad who used to play for Dublin. He was a tough man who always had something sensible to say. Tagann ceill le aois seems out of order here

19616609 (Louth) - Posts: 1596 - 26/07/2018 17:58:55    2126498

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Replying To Donegalman:  "My last point didnt get beyond moderation so I will try again.

The GAA community are net receivers of money from the taxpayer so the argument of what they do for charity does not fly as moral high ground."
Are u serious......GAA are net receivers in what way??? GAA inter county games are worth tens of millions to the economy every year, a proven fact......you are showing your true bitterness now........the GAA does more than it's fair share for charity, how about your beloved multi millionaires........

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 26/07/2018 18:17:09    2126504

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Replying To alano12:  "damien duff didnt insult volunteers..he insulted the gaa hierarchy i.e those hiding behind technicalities and rules in order to stop the game being played in pairc ui chaoimh...why dont you deal in facts for a change instead of taking petty digs at soccer?...stop pretending like gaa are the only sport with volunteers...what difference does it make that they are the biggest amateur organisation?...i think you will find its the gaa who are holding up the game from being played at pairc ui chaoimh which is what damien duff gave out about...ill await your criticism on that.."
I will say it again, I have no doubt the gaa will do the right thing here, just like they would have had Horan etc been approached quietly about the matter instead of a blare of publicity, knowing the GAA rules and hoping to create a fuss ( not the miller family I would add but the hangers on)........ if Duff and these guys are so 'genuine' about the cause then offer to make up the difference in ticket sales between turners Cross and PuC then when GAA open the gates (as they will ) then the charity will double its money.......won't be waiting for Duff and his fellow 'professionals' to do that anytime soon

I'm not anti soccer far from it as regularly travel to Celtic games, played local league soccer etc but it's a farce the state of soccer facilities north and south of the border, the gaa shouldn't have to loan their facilities to an arm of the richest game in the world........they will of course as they have in the past but their are countless gaa families in the same tragic circumstances as the millers but not a word from the masses about them..,,,,,,

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 26/07/2018 18:26:22    2126508

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "I will say it again, I have no doubt the gaa will do the right thing here, just like they would have had Horan etc been approached quietly about the matter instead of a blare of publicity, knowing the GAA rules and hoping to create a fuss ( not the miller family I would add but the hangers on)........ if Duff and these guys are so 'genuine' about the cause then offer to make up the difference in ticket sales between turners Cross and PuC then when GAA open the gates (as they will ) then the charity will double its money.......won't be waiting for Duff and his fellow 'professionals' to do that anytime soon

I'm not anti soccer far from it as regularly travel to Celtic games, played local league soccer etc but it's a farce the state of soccer facilities north and south of the border, the gaa shouldn't have to loan their facilities to an arm of the richest game in the world........they will of course as they have in the past but their are countless gaa families in the same tragic circumstances as the millers but not a word from the masses about them..,,,,,,"
"Approached quietly" Like under the table, nod and wink, bend a rule, keep your members in the dark. I see what you mean all right.The power vested in one individual. Frank Murphy style. Sounds like how it works. No wonder there are controversies.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 26/07/2018 20:24:28    2126523

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Replying To Canuck:  ""Approached quietly" Like under the table, nod and wink, bend a rule, keep your members in the dark. I see what you mean all right.The power vested in one individual. Frank Murphy style. Sounds like how it works. No wonder there are controversies."
You have a very simplistic and cliched view of the matter.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/07/2018 21:42:27    2126538

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "I will say it again, I have no doubt the gaa will do the right thing here, just like they would have had Horan etc been approached quietly about the matter instead of a blare of publicity, knowing the GAA rules and hoping to create a fuss ( not the miller family I would add but the hangers on)........ if Duff and these guys are so 'genuine' about the cause then offer to make up the difference in ticket sales between turners Cross and PuC then when GAA open the gates (as they will ) then the charity will double its money.......won't be waiting for Duff and his fellow 'professionals' to do that anytime soon

I'm not anti soccer far from it as regularly travel to Celtic games, played local league soccer etc but it's a farce the state of soccer facilities north and south of the border, the gaa shouldn't have to loan their facilities to an arm of the richest game in the world........they will of course as they have in the past but their are countless gaa families in the same tragic circumstances as the millers but not a word from the masses about them..,,,,,,"
its a 45k stadium..nothing to do with the fai as its miles beyond what they or a league of ireland team can provide...your not making a realistic argument..stop deflecting from the gaa being in the wrong and attacking people for expressing an obvious viewpoint...do you attend any national team games or do you just attend games for a scottish team in a foreign league?.

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 22:31:58    2126549

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Replying To Htaem:  "Ah look forget the thick skin stuff, life's tough and you need to have thick skin to get through it.

Duff's comments are not becoming of somebody who is supposed to be taking part in the event, a bit more tact wouldn't go astray. Again I say this as someone who has been critical of the way the Gaa has handled this and I do undersand his frustration."
he called them dinosaurs..there is nothing over the top in that..its accurate in relation to how they have behaved.

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 22:32:40    2126550

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Are u serious......GAA are net receivers in what way??? GAA inter county games are worth tens of millions to the economy every year, a proven fact......you are showing your true bitterness now........the GAA does more than it's fair share for charity, how about your beloved multi millionaires........"
the same multi millionaires you go to see in a foreign land?..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 22:33:43    2126551

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Replying To Greengrass:  "You have a very simplistic and cliched view of the matter."
Why do you have a sophisticated view or explanation that is worth considering ? Your opinion of my view will not cause me any loss of sleep.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 26/07/2018 22:50:33    2126558

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Replying To Canuck:  "Why do you have a sophisticated view or explanation that is worth considering ? Your opinion of my view will not cause me any loss of sleep."
lets pretend the official gaa are very sophisticated..and not entirely an organisation that is reactionary most of the time....so well organised that they had a television clash between an all ireland hurling quarter final and an opening super 8 game in football..

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 23:09:46    2126567

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Replying To alano12:  "lets pretend the official gaa are very sophisticated..and not entirely an organisation that is reactionary most of the time....so well organised that they had a television clash between an all ireland hurling quarter final and an opening super 8 game in football.."
They're sophisticated enough to have provided their spectators and players with by far the best sporting facilities in the country. They're sophisticated enough to have by far the best attended sporting competitions in the country. They're sophisticated enough to provide meaningful sporting activity for hundreds of thousands of people played out in first class club facilities the length and breadth of the country. They are sophisticated enough to organise cultural activities such as Scor which take place all over the country. They are sophisticated enough to have thousands of clubs throughout the country that are the heartbeat of their communities in both a sporting and social sense . They are sophisticated enough to have become much more than a sports organisation but rather a sporting, cultural and social body that has contributed hugely to the wellbeing of this country for a hundred and thirty years. They are sophisticated enough to have organized themselves in countries throughout the world and to have provided support in a social and sporting context to tens of thousands of young people who have been forced to leave these shores in search of employment. The GAA is far from perfect but I do think sophisticated is a word which would describe the organisation, it's achievements and it's activities . Don't you alano ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 27/07/2018 00:36:03    2126601

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Replying To alano12:  "he called them dinosaurs..there is nothing over the top in that..its accurate in relation to how they have behaved."
You are beginning to sound like a broken record, or maybe more like an old gramophone player with the needle stuck.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 27/07/2018 02:28:56    2126623

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Replying To alano12:  "lets pretend the official gaa are very sophisticated..and not entirely an organisation that is reactionary most of the time....so well organised that they had a television clash between an all ireland hurling quarter final and an opening super 8 game in football.."
Better run than any other sports body in Ireland.

Maybe you should focus on getting LOI sorted before you start slagging off the GAA

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/07/2018 10:36:52    2126657

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